Here is my take on everything that's being talked about. Again this is my OPINION. Feel free to agree or disagree, but let's not be unprofessional about it. If you don't like long posts, turn away now. If you DO like long posts, keep on reading
First off - yes, there is an INSANE amount of California people here at Midwestern. Out of our class of 215, I'd have to say there's about ~40 Californians here. In the second year class, that number has to be around that same area also, if not more. Even the president of Midwestern has stated, "Man, I don't know why so many of you California people are coming here every year."
On the same token, there's a lot of people of Middle Eastern descent also. There's probably even more Middle Eastern people than there are California people. At the same time, California people is almost synonymous with "Asians." If you're Asian, 99% of the time you're from California
in terms of being a pharmacy student at Midwestern (I wanna make that clear).
Bottom line - I personally don't think that California "breeds" pharmacy students per se. I think ethnicity actually is more of a factor than anything else into being a pharmacy student. It just so happens that almost all of the Asians are from California
in terms of being a pharmacy student at Midwestern.
amicable7 - of all of the California people that I talked to, the typical response to "Why Midwestern?" is basically "Because I didn't get accepted into any California school" which kinda leads into the second most typical response: "Because I didn't get accept anywhere else." Secondly, not all Californians come in with insane stats. In fact, a lot of the California students that I've talked to aren't impressive at all. To me, they almost seem run-of-the-mill. Even if they do have insane stats, that by far doesn't mean that you won't get accepted. I came in with HORRIBLE stats and I was still able to beat out the "California-bred" pre-pharmacy students.
Well, if you look at the stats of how much pharmacists make throughout the nation, the average salary is approx $70,000-$80,000. But in California, the average pharmacist makes $100,000-$110,000. This comes along with a higher cost of living, but if you compare those salaries, it's no wonder that so many people in California want to be pharmacists. As for the competitiveness of California candidates, this most likely extends from the fact that most University of California schools are top rated in the nation, thus producing these types of candidates. Everyone is so cut throat at my school (UCLA), so I have to be cut throat also.
Actually, if you look at the stats, the average salary of pharmacists
nationwide is around $105,000. Therefore, assuming that the average California pharmacist salary actually IS $100,000-$110,000, there's no extra benefit to being a pharmacist in California. I've never heard of anyone going out and saying in particular, "I REALLY wanna be a pharmacist in California because I get paid more!" It's more of just convenience than anything else. As a matter of fact, saturation in California in terms of the pharmacist job market is SO BAD, pharmacists will maybe receive paycuts to pay for the excess amount of pharmacists coming in. Either that, or people can't find jobs in California period. I have a whole bunch of friends at UoP and they're having a horrible time finding jobs.
In terms of top rated California pharmacy schools, there's not many top schools in California, especially not "most". I know all about UCSF - they're the undisputed best pharmacy school in the nation, I'm not gonna lie about that. Other than USCF, California only has 1 school in the top 30 rated pharmacy schools. Considering that California has the most pharmacy schools per state in the nation (7, tied with Texas, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and New York) along with the bunch of sprouting new pharmacy schools that are popping up in California, I wouldn't consider that ratio to be too impressive.
I gotta say, looking at the interview feedback section, looks like students have a few beefs, both with the interview process (too unregulated with group answers, not enough info given, etc) and with the school itself (classes have upwards of 300 students, you're put in a group of about 5 others for 4 years and you can't swap for any reason, bad internet, meh town, etc).
Those are legitimate concerns, mainly because those were my exact concerns coming into Midwestern. I'll be the first to say that the group interview is definitely unique. Like I've said, people love it, people hate it. You have to remember though that while looking at the feedback section, you're only reading through the bad things that disgruntled people post, and more often than not, they're just nitpicking. So take everything with a grain of salt - even my post. Also, since you'll be in school with other professional students (med student, dental students, etc), classes will overlap. Therefore, you'll be mixed into the same classes (mainly Biochem). Honestly, it's not that different, or even different at all, from lectures with pharm+med students versus pharm students only. It's a lecture class - we've all been there.
The groups you're placed in (They're called "Advisory groups" - they're assigned during orientation), yes - I'm not gonna lie - there's the possibility of causing problems. However, more often than not, problems don't occur. If anything, the exact opposite happens. It's not unusual to hear that you'll be making really good friends through your advisory groups. If there's a very serious problem, then ask somebody (Most likely the Dean of Students) and I'm sure they'll be more than happy to help you out.
Internet's fine. I've been watching my Hulu and YouTube just fine. The town CAN be "meh", but depends on your cup of tea. To me, it's very "Hometown, USA" but I like it that way. At the same time, there's a LOT of things very close by, as mentioned by JKong. And if anything, one of the biggest and busiest cities in the US is only 30 minutes away. That's Chicago, if you didn't know already.
One thing that I really don't like about Midwestern, though, is the food. Or lack thereof, in my opinion. Let me get this straight - the cafeteria isn't bad. I've had a lot worse. However, there's definitely a lot of room for improvement. JKong has been posting the daily menus for when you guys have your interviews, and it's not like they're lying about it. That's the actual menu for that day. However, portion size is pretty bad. It's not uncommon for me to get my plate and be like, "Really? That's it?" The cafeteria workers aren't the friendliest group in the world. They're all of Hispanic descent (I'm not racist - that's just the truth) and it almost seems like they have a scowl on their face every time I walk in. Space is also an issue. In terms of the sitting/dining area, there's TONS of space. The area where you actually get your food, there can be problems. When the lunchtime rush hits, you'd have to squeeze your way through all of the students and the line for paying for the food can be as long as 10 minutes.
Remember, however, that this is just one aspect of Midwestern.
Other than that, I'm loving Midwestern. I really really am, and I'm not just saying that. People are nice, and the campus is nice, safe, and homey. The "cut-throat-ness" of other schools is almost non-existant here. I've heard a lot of people coming from the University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC, a really close pharmacy school, our unofficial sister school) who are SOOOOOO glad they chose Midwestern. At the moment, all of the pharmacy fraternities are having their own pledging processes and games going on, and it brings a smile to my face everytime seeing someone scream in agony when they get killed or when someone turns into a zombie, or seeing people wear mismatching socks. There's lots of athletic stuff going on too. I'm totally having fun here.
Whew, that was long. I hope that was somewhat of a help for you guys. As usual, don't hesitate or be shy to respond to me or send me a PM. I'm here to help, and I'm more than glad to help, considering that I was one of you guys not too long ago.
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