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Hi,
I'm going to be at NNMC in Bethesda doing a non-ADT peds rotation in October. Since I'll be paying my own way on the rotation, I'm wondering if anyone has advice about affordable housing in the area. Thanks!

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Hi,
I'm going to be at NNMC in Bethesda doing a non-ADT peds rotation in October. Since I'll be paying my own way on the rotation, I'm wondering if anyone has advice about affordable housing in the area. Thanks!


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I'm interested in ortho in the Army and am trying to decide between doing an away rotation next year at EAMC or WBAMC. I've already scheduled one at Madigan and I'm gonna do one at BAMC and WRAMC. I was born at EAMC so it holds a bit of nostalgia for me. Which would be better?
 
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I just had the opportunity to complete a clerkship at the ENT program at NMCSD. Below is a brief review of the state of the program as I see it.

Location: building 2 second deck

Man to impress: Dr. Brigger, Program director

Other house staff: one general ENT, 2 ear specialists, 1 sinus/FESS guy, 1 pediatric ENT (Dr. Brigger), 1 larynx/adult airway guy, 1 plastic surg/botox/redo botched surgery guy

Residents: 2 chiefs, 2 interns, 4?residents PGY2-5

I spent 4 weeks here and as far as I can tell, the program is a solid one with excellent diversity of cases from ears to airway to FESS to thyroid to fractures of the face to cancer to the mundane tonsils and adenoids. Caseload is good but not overwhelming. All the staff members are interested in teaching and the quality of teaching and opportunity to learn is pretty solid. All the residents are extremely smart, but the atmosphere is pretty laid back. There are 2 teams: blue and gold. Rounding starts at 0650 to 0700. Surgery starts at 0720. when one team is in clinic the other team is in surgery. Friday is learning day.

What impressed me the most is that even though the residents are smart, they also had good personalities. Everyone got along well for the most part.

Resident education is supplemented by rotation at Rady's children's hospital as well as research which I don't know if it's optional or required.

Competitiveness of this program: million dollar question but I'll take a crack: your STEP scores would have to be high. you need to impress the PD. all your applications and LORs need to be squared away and airtight. you absolutely need to rotate here in order to get this spot (IMO). there are only 2 spots here and a lot (up to 4 at a time) of medical students rotating through. Make no mistake, you will be up against very stiff competition. Failure to take your game to the next level = you won't get in.

Tips for clerks:

1. always ask about what to wear and when to show up. things change, you need to adapt
2. be collegial. you need to show that you can get along with and work with the people in the program. Remember the atmosphere is casual, friendly.
3. impress the PD. this would be tip 1 for those wanting the 2 coveted spots. his interests are in pediatric airway issues. read up on this topic. he is very approachable. step into his office a couple of times during the rotation and chat with him. try to do surgery and clinic with him. you need as much face time as possible.
4. you need to have a sense of when you can take initiative and when you need to step back and let the experts work. for example, adult male comes in with hoarseness: grab the flexible scope and scope him! post FESS or post rhinoplasty patient comes in with some kind of complication: might not be the best idea to scope.
5. there will be situations when you find yourself pimped heavily. respond by proactively asking the staff to teach you stuff. every minute somebody is teaching you is one less minute for pimp questions.
6. don't hestitate to ask the junior residents, hey what's going on tomorrow. what interesting things are coming up. they are super nice and if you don't ask you will miss a lot of stuff.


Overall, I enjoyed this rotation. would recommend to anyone interested in the surgical fields
 
Can anyone comment on the AF orthosurgery program in San Antonio? I'm planning on doing an ADT there next fall and would like to hear how things went for others. Also, if anyone can provide some insight on practicing ortho in the AF as far as training/deployments/opportunities etc, that would be greatly appreciated as well! Thanks.
 
Hi!

I'm doing a peds rotation at San Diego in July (I'm really excited). Any recommendations on lodging, I got a very long list of options. Also any advise in general on peds rotations in San Diego?

Thank you!
 
This post is more for next year's group of HPSP ADTers.

When you show up to your ADT, you will be told that you will get the stipend listed for your locale on the .gov website. Be sure to get a statement of nonavailability of mess/housing/both right away.

Without a statement of nonavailability, you will only be given a few dollars a day for food, as they will tell you that you should have eaten at the DFAC 3x per day for every day you were there (including weekends/off time). So, $70 magically becomes $12 per day when it comes time for DFAS to process your travel voucher. Don't assume that, just because they tell you that you'll get $70, you will. Get it in writing BEFORE you are done, so that they can't ignore you over the phone and retroactively tell you that you were limited to $12.

Just FYI.
 
I am curious about the four radiology residency programs the Army offers - TAMC, MAMC, SAUSCHEC and WRNMMC. Does anybody have any insight to any of the programs?
 
Anyone know anything about the OB/Gyn residency programs in the Airforce and Navy?

I am curious how competitive they are and if they are friendly.
 
Hello,

I'm a 3rd year EM resident, who just joined (re-joined) through the FAP program, and in our program we get two weeks of active duty every year. Most people use this for "school orders" ie, not doing anything other than their normal routine, but I wanted to try something different. I emailed Mr. Jon Green at BUMED, and he said in the past people have done rotations with Medical Emergency Flight Evac w/ the AF, and also a 2 week rotation with NASA. Does anyone know anything about either of these rotations, like contact info, websites (I couldn't find anything on google), or anything else?

Thanks!
 
Does anyone have any experience or advice on ortho programs in the army?
 
This post is more for next year's group of HPSP ADTers.

When you show up to your ADT, you will be told that you will get the stipend listed for your locale on the .gov website. Be sure to get a statement of nonavailability of mess/housing/both right away.

Without a statement of nonavailability, you will only be given a few dollars a day for food, as they will tell you that you should have eaten at the DFAC 3x per day for every day you were there (including weekends/off time). So, $70 magically becomes $12 per day when it comes time for DFAS to process your travel voucher. Don't assume that, just because they tell you that you'll get $70, you will. Get it in writing BEFORE you are done, so that they can't ignore you over the phone and retroactively tell you that you were limited to $12.

Just FYI.
so you're telling me I missed out on 58 dollars per day when all my travel vouchers went through and I was payed?
 
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During the third year of medical school, you will call hospitals that you are interested in rotating through as a fourth year and asked to speak to the medical student coordinator. That person will then arrange your rotation. It really is as simple as that.
 
During the third year of medical school, you will call hospitals that you are interested in rotating through as a fourth year and asked to speak to the medical student coordinator. That person will then arrange your rotation. It really is as simple as that.

It really is that simple. I emailed and it worked out pretty well. You can find emails on the website (I found them through AFIT website where they list all of the contacts, I'm sure the other services have them in accessible places as well).

A couple things to keep in mind:
-You have to contact each individual location to set up the rotation. And the requirements and forms you have to submit for each one vary a little bit so be prepared for that. For one rotations site, I just had to email them a couple forms. For another site, I had to send in forms and complete several online trainings. It just depends.
-Do this as EARLY as you can. I set up my rotations for this fall back in January (they started accepting requests on January 1st for all of 2014). I had a friend who was unable to get any rotations set up when he tried a couple months later. You need to be on top of it.
 
Feel free to add your reviews of rotation sites and military bases to this thread. I'll periodically cut and paste to keep things somewhat organized for easier reading.

Hey Homunculus,

Aviano AB was recently approved to start a flight medicine rotation (only for usuhs students) in flight medicine. We have not had any students come out yet, but we have a pretty good month worked out and what better deal than a government-funded trip to Northern Italy. It's a Fighter Wing with 2 F-16 squadrons and a high ops tempo.

Feel free to list this rotation to your master list.
 
Family medicine Army flight surgeon here. I have been in the military for 7 years, first USUHS and then Family medicine Residency. I have lived in Washington DC, and Hawaii. I have no debt and have traveled around the world for free. If you see life as an adventure, and do not get frustrated about apparent occasional road blocks or small nuisances (ahlta) you will love military medicine. That being said I will probably get out after my commitment is up becuase I'm not young anymore and I have to worry about kids, wifes job etc. I would recommend military medicine for anyone at the start of your career. You will be left with unique experiences, you will serve an excellent patient population, and you will not have the debt looming over you when you should be enjoying your young life. BTW I see a population of 400 people and choose my clinic hours and have control over my schedule. My experience is not everyones experience, just like in the civilian world not everyone likes what they do.
 
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I am strongly considering signing up for a army IM position. I am currently a BC IM working as a hospitalist at a big academic center. What are the chances of being deployed and will I be in any danger physically as a hospitalist in the army? Will I have a choice to where I could be stationed at? How likely am I to get a billet if I ask for one? I spoke to a recruiter and was told that I would do 4 + 4 years as AD and inactive. I find army very respectable and would also get US citizenship instantly, would be waiting about 11 years otherwise. I also have no loans. My wife will be completing her OBGYN residency in June 2015 and we don't plan on having kids for another 2 or 3 years. She has no loans either and seems open to this idea. I tried to ask for 3 + 5 years as AD and inactive but was told that I wouldn't qualify for the signing on bonus which is 80 grand annually for AD for IMs. What working sites could I be likely looking at depending on the open positions? I was told it is more than 90% likely that me and my wife would be stationed together, that sounded great! Please share your thoughts everyone. Army physicians specially. Thanks.
 
Is there a reason that you felt the need to copy and paste this question multiple times? Did you not get enough of a response the first time?
Hi Deuist, I apologize if I annoyed you. The reason is I am seeking a few more inputs before I make a final decision. Also I wanted to find out about the question of billet to be able to remain at one site for 4 years. Also about how likely it is that Joint domicile would work for me and my wife. Also if people here know of any open positions region-wise for IM docs. Thanks for your response earlier.
 
Army Emergency Medicine Rotation sites

Ft. Lewis
Ft. Sam Houston
Ft. Hood

Any quick blurb on past experiences at any of the three EM sites available for residency training would be greatly appreciated, thanks everyone.
 
Army Emergency Medicine Rotation sites

Ft. Lewis
Ft. Sam Houston
Ft. Hood

Any quick blurb on past experiences at any of the three EM sites available for residency training would be greatly appreciated, thanks everyone.

I did an EM rotation at Ft Hood this year. I really enjoyed the rotation and felt that they have a good group of residents and staff. The downside is that the acuity of patients is generally low. Very rare to get trauma although there are occasionally some really sick folks coming in. I was busy most of the time and I wasn't bothered by the lack of "excitement". I liked the people I worked with and would recommend it. Feel free to ask if you have any specific questions.
 
Army Emergency Medicine Rotation sites

Ft. Lewis
Ft. Sam Houston
Ft. Hood

Any quick blurb on past experiences at any of the three EM sites available for residency training would be greatly appreciated, thanks everyone.

Is Madigan not available? I did a rotation at MAMC's ER earlier this year.
 
Does anyone have any recent experience rotating at SAMMC in San Antonio? I'm a third year AF HPSP considering scheduling an EM away rotation there. If anyone has experience at any of the other EM clerkship locations I would be interested in hearing about that too. Thanks!
 
I've finished my rotation at NMCP on general surgery. There are 3 teams, blue, gold, green. Each team has 4-6 attendings in various subspecialities or just as as a general surgeon. Each team has a chief resident, junior resident, and 2-3 interns. I got there at 0500 each day, pre-rounded on my patients. We did chief rounds usually at 0600 or 0630. The call schedule is on a rotating three day schedule for the three teams. On call days, you're seeing consults in the ED while also running clinic for your attendings. The next day is pre-op conference where you present and discuss the cases going to the OR the next day. There are usually colonoscopies or other procedures going on that day as well. Your OR day is for all of the attendings' cases. Your team is divided up among the various ORs. Cases run the gamet of general surgery from hernies, choles, appys, hemicolons, breast lumpectomies to subspeciality operations like LARs and thyroidectomies. I usually left for the day anywhere from 4-7 depending on our schedule. Resident education is on Tuesday mornings from 8-11.

Overall, it was a really good rotation. The chiefs really make or break your service. Everyone I worked with seems committed to education and mentorship. A few logistical items: there are scrub machines at the hospital and you are not allowed to wear scrubs to and from the hospital. Everyone arrives and leaves in street clothes. I wore my uniform twice, on my first day, and on my interview day. Call ahead about what to wear for both days. The hospital has a food court with Panda Express and Subway as well as a galley where you can get lunch or dinner. Weekend and overnight coverage varies depending on your residents. Ask what they expect of you in that regard.

If you have any questions, feel free to send me a private message.
 
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I've finished my rotation at NMCP on general surgery. There are 3 teams, blue, gold, green. Each team has 4-6 attendings in various subspecialities or just as as a general surgeon. Each team has a chief resident, junior resident, and 2-3 interns. I got there at 0500 each day, pre-rounded on my patients. We did chief rounds usually at 0600 or 0630. The call schedule is on a rotating three day schedule for the three teams. On call days, you're seeing consults in the ED while also running clinic for your attendings. The next day is pre-op conference where you present and discuss the cases going to the OR the next day. There are usually colonoscopies or other procedures going on that day as well. Your OR day is for all of the attendings' cases. Your team is divided up among the various ORs. Cases run the gamet of general surgery from hernies, choles, appys, hemicolons, breast lumpectomies to subspeciality operations like LARs and thyroidectomies. I usually left for the day anywhere from 4-7 depending on our schedule. Resident education is on Tuesday mornings from 8-11.

Overall, it was a really good rotation. The chiefs really make or break your service. Everyone I worked with seems committed to education and mentorship. A few logistical items: there are scrub machines at the hospital and you are not allowed to wear scrubs to and from the hospital. Everyone arrives and leaves in street clothes. I wore my uniform twice, on my first day, and on my interview day. Call ahead about what to wear for both days. The hospital has a food court with Panda Express and Subway as well as a galley where you can get lunch or dinner. Weekend and overnight coverage varies depending on your residents. Ask what they expect of you in that regard.

If you have any questions, fee free to send me a private message.

Bulldog -

Thanks for throwing this down. As a 3rd year, it helps a ton to hear about all this.
 
I rotated at WRNMMC this fall for general surgery. There are 6 or 7 general surgery teams: blue, red, white, gold, TACS, pink, green. Each has a set of attendings that stays with that team and thus flavors the surgeries for that team. TACS or trauma and acute care surgery was the busiest service while I was there. They received all of the consults from the ER and trauma transfers. They were the oncall service for the day, every day. One day, they had 5 cases go. Pink was mostly breast surgery. They had lots of clinic. Green was the overnight team. As a 4th year, you will do two overnight calls with them, seeing the consults and presenting the patients in the morning. Gold was colorectal surgery. White was surg onc, red was scheduled general surgery and some peds surg, and blue was gen surg with other subspecialties.

There was a chief, a couple of junior residents, and an intern for each team plus a 4th year or two and a 3rd year medical student. Mornings are like typical surgery mornings. Get to the hospital early enough to see your patients and write notes before chief rounds at 6 or 6:30. Morning report was at 7 where the overnight consults were presented to the department. A 4th year student would usually present one patient and the residents would present the rest. After morning report, you would finish your notes, carry out the plan of the day, operate, or go to clinic. You finish your day when the work is done. For most teams, this was between 1600 and 1800. For TACS, usually 1800-2000 because of the patient load, though this would vary from month to month. 4th years were asked to come in 1 out of two days on the weekend to see patients and round. Following rounds, most would leave unless you had a case go to the OR.

Wednesday was academic day. From 0800 to 1200, you would hear med student presentations first (every 4th year does a 10 minute presentation on a topic of your choice). Followed by a formal chief presentation on a topic and pre-op conference for scheduled cases. Occasionally there were some interdisciplinary conferences with GI called "belly board." 1100 to 1200 was "resident school" which was an ABSITE lecture given by a chief.

Overall, it was a pretty good rotation. I did not encounter malignant personalities, and most people were friendly and helpful. Some services were busier than others, but it probably varies from month to month. WR is a huge hospital and it takes about a week to become acclimated to where everything is. The galley at WR is fantastic. It is in the same building as the general surgery department, and it offers a huge selection with most meals costing $4 or less. On base housing is at the Navy Lodge or the Navy Gateway Inn and Suites. Pretty standard lodging with a microwave and mini-fridge. Both places were within a 5 minute walk of the hospital. Contrary to what the Navy or Army says about POVs, you can bring one, it'll just have to remain at hotel parking lot. Travel reimbursement though gets tricky, I think, if you are outside of a 350 mile radius of WR. The metro is located right outside of the main gate entrance, so getting into DC on your off days is relatively easy. You'll save a little bit of money if you get the metro pass. You'll have a few days off, and if you've never been to DC, go try and see the monuments and the Smithsonian. There's no cost to admission, and they're great American icons. Other things to see would be Old Town Alexandria, Mount Vernon, and some of the Civil War battle sites.

If you have any questions, feel free to send me a message.
 
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Sorry if this is the improper place for this question, but does the military pay for lodging/housing when on an HPSP Clerkship (i.e. while at Walter Reed in Bethesda, MD)? Or is lodging/housing during the clerkship the student's responsibility?
 
They pay for it completely including lodging. You also get a rental car at SD and Portsmouth but not in Bethesda.
 
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It is not difficult to do any rotation here at Tripler. They are very welcoming to students. If you are interested in IM then go for it, however, most students choose to do other specialties when the visit Tripler so that they can get out and see the island more (IM is pretty busy...)

IM is not that competitive at any of the military locations, their usually close to 1:1 match rate.

You can work in ER in the military if you are FP, ER, or IM certified, however it is often not up to you. You just get assigned there. At Tripler I do not think we have any IM in the ER but we do have a couple FP's and the rest are ER certified (We may be different than others though as a lot of the docs in the ER here are not military (Most ER docs are deployed rapidly).

Do you recommend any particular rotations at Tripler that students seemed to enjoy (with some time to enjoy the island too)? I've looked at doing a urology rotation there, but open to other specialties for a NADT fourth year elective.
 
Neurosurgery at Walter Reed. I'm actually Navy, but the NCC residency program in neurosurgery is based primarily at Walter Reed. Thoroughly enjoyable time there. Like in all sub-internships, it required a complete dedication to the service. Four days of OR and a half day of clinic a week. Weekend rounds. The attendings are very interested in education and the welfare of the residents and students.

Since away rotations require applications making them somewhat competitive, and this is the only Neurosurgery residency in the Navy, what was the process like of even getting the rotation?
 
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