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So I was just offered the Navy HPSP scholarship not too long ago and I am beginning to have second thoughts on taking it. I have yet to talk to actual HPSP students/residents and ask them what they think about it. So for any of you HPSPers out there my main question is do you have any regrets?

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So I was just offered the Navy HPSP scholarship not too long ago and I am beginning to have second thoughts on taking it. I have yet to talk to actual HPSP students/residents and ask them what they think about it. So for any of you HPSPers out there my main question is do you have any regrets?

Do you need the money or not? If not then don't take it and sign up later if you still want to serve.

But that 20g signing bonus sure is tempting :)
 
I was in the same boat about a month ago. I started thinking about it and having doubts of whether I wanna go in or not. I ended up withdrawing my application. I'm still not sure if I regret withdrawing or if I'm happy with my decision :confused: ...the summer white uniform would have looked great on me :(
 
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So I was just offered the Navy HPSP scholarship not too long ago and I am beginning to have second thoughts on taking it. I have yet to talk to actual HPSP students/residents and ask them what they think about it. So for any of you HPSPers out there my main question is do you have any regrets?

Spend a day reading here. Focus on the threads about life as an attending and quality of training.
 
20K seems like a huge amount when you are eating ramen noodles and wondering how you are going to get your car past its next inspecton. The seeming largesse is tempting, but to the Navy, it represents maybe two months' difference in your pay between what they will pay you and what you would make otherwise as a trained specialist as a civilian. So they offer it.

The quality, and just as importantly, the availability of residency training should matter a lot to any medical student. The unfortunate thing is that it seems like an issue much farther down the road than the impending meeting with the bursar's office to settle your tuition and fees. That is a distortion in perception that the Navy exploits, by happy opportunity if not deliberately. While it is true that the Navy has some very good residency program opportunities to train, they are not always very plentiful, and their calculus has been to count on a large proportion of the students they accept through the HPSP to leave before doing residency. Competitive programs will typically require at least one service tour as a GMO between internship year and PGY2, and many GMOs correctly come to perceive their chances of getting good training as better outside the service as a civilian than inside the service. So those GMOs typically apply for civilian programs and when they are selected, they stop participating in the military match as GMOs, a phenomenon that results in a higher "acceptance rate" to military residencies than might otherwise be the case were training opportunities more realistically available. To give you a sense of the proportions, a PGY1 surgery intern class might have sixteen members at one of the big three training hospitals (not counting IM, transitional, peds, OB or psych interns.) On the PGY2 intake, there might be two general surgery residents, one or two ENT, one or two ortho, one Urology resident . . . and that's it. Navy-wide, there might be one neurosurgery resident per year and maybe four or five ophtho residents (only two centers have residencies, and one is shared with the Army.) You can see that a system like this cannot accommodate the training needs of the interns it takes in. And when you figure that USUHS graduates are at least considered more likely to have longer careers,and may be more likely to have prior service, their relative competitiveness compared to HPSP graduates with shorter obligations works against the HPSP applicant in the nebulous but credit-worthy assessment of "career potential."

I would not tell you to not serve if that is what you want, but you should know that there is more to your decision at stake than service owed for money paid. There are opportunities you will likely forfeit in exchange for your service commitment, and those things forfeited are not inconsequential. Four years may seem like a short time when you are 21, but its significance will likely change for you as you get toward the end of medical school, when finishing training and anticipating some stability in your life and other things (like income) matter much more than you think they might when you are walking into the bursar's office to turn over your loan check.
 
If any of the attendings on this thread know of any Navy (or any branch, I guess) podiatrists that would be willing to share their experience with me, I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks.
 
Thanks everyone. I really appreciate your thoughts.
 
Just got out- joined because I wanted to serve in the Navy- not for the money. I regret joining. The Navy is not like the movies. Most other doctors I know also regret joining. Few stay in unless they are stuck- obligation, financial responsibilities ect. If you join you will most likely regret it, but if you don't and always wanted to be in the Navy then you will always wonder what it would have been like and will also have regret. So you have to decide what to do.

I have a feeling in the end this will be how I look back at the experience as well. I'm still in school, and I will say there has been very minimal interaction. They leave you alone and unless you are messing up they just pay your checks and move on. After ODS I could see how the Navy could be everything I want it to be but I can also see where it could be a pain in the butt. I wanted to join the navy though so it is what it is and I think I would have regretted it way down the line if i didn't.
 
I echo a lot of the comments made. My experience in the Navy along with my love/hate relationship therein lies not in the money lost or earned but in the opportunities missed. I have said several times, I have had a very fortunate experience. I was a transitional intern at NMCP (one of my favorite years of my life, no sarcasm what-so-ever). Afterwards I got a flight surgery and a billet from which I will never deploy and get true 50/50 clinic and flight time. I am a 4 hour drive from where I grew up. I have been incredibly lucky. It was nice to lease a brand new car when I was at the end of my fourth year, it has been really nice to buy the things I want when I want them.

All of that said, I have spent the better part of my 20s either in medical school or in the Navy. Despite having an easy billet and great job and being only four hours away from home; I am still not where I want to be. The Navy has cost me a few relationships, delayed my professional growth, and limited some of the opportunities to enjoy times with friends. My colleagues have given up far more than I with deployments, more remote billets, etc. Each person's experience is unique to them. For me the Navy was a business transaction in which I have one more year left on my obligation. I do not regret it per se but I certainly feel as though I missed out on some years where I would have been happier getting a residency done and living where I wanted to live.

This might be a very subtle critique compared to horror stories I have read on here from others. The one thing the Navy has taught me is that the next decade of my life will be more focused on personal happiness.
 
I think happiness may be specialty dependant, as well. I feel the Navy does a great job training their primary care providers. Most of the primary care providers generally have good morale (only my limited experience with those I have come in contact with). The exceptions are those that get stuck in places they did not want, or get the "Welcome Aboard! Please don't unpack, we are sending you to the sand pit." shaft. The pay is comparable to civ life. I have a lot of contact with other civ residents in my area that do what I do, and I can say with confidence I got better training.

Specialist are a whole different ball of wax. Most small commands you could be 1 of 1, which SUCKS big time. I see our Cards or GI folks working like dogs with limited resources scrambling to find places out in town that will let them agree to do proceedures that we don't accomodate, to keep the skills up (ie caths, ERCPs, etc...).
 
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