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Protests that some guy calls doctors stupid. Misspells anecdote in title. Strong work
Who cares about the spelling here.
What bothers me is this idea that when doctors give you a diagnosis, they have every last atom of data necessary to reach that conclusion. Following guidelines that are made because of the actual unpredictability of some cancers somehow translates to stupidity.
I didn't even watch the video and I'm certainly not defending whatever he said. I couldn't care less what this guy thinks about my future profession.
If one is going to protest that one is not stupid, it behooves that person to spell words correctly or be at risk for not being taken seriously.
He's right though. The moment you begin to say that your personal experience is more important than evidence is the moment you cease being data-driven.
Protests that some guy calls doctors stupid. Misspells anecdote in title. Strong work.
"I've failed more premed students than prelaw."
No, really? Because the volume of prelaw students coming through your physics course is the same as premed students coming through, right?
Data has its own pitfalls. The studied population may not match your patient's demographics. And it's nice if a treatment helps 70% of patients but it's useless if it doesn't work for your patients. The end points of a study may not match your goals or it may be selectively reported. Personal experience matters a lot. Data and protocols are for people who don't know how to think.
Since when did Neil Degrasse Tyson become the glorified supreme intergalactic president on all things science?
This was posted before...the logic failure at the end of the video still annoys me:
"I've failed more premed students than prelaw."
No, really? Because the volume of prelaw students coming through your physics course is the same as premed students coming through, right?
Sounds like an "idiot" physicist in the audience, perhaps?
Also, the speaker fails to realize that often those survival estimates are derived off of statistical analysis. Not the doc feeling the patients forehead, tasting a sip of urine, and pulling a number of months to live out of thin air.
Who cares about the spelling here.
What bothers me is this idea that when doctors give you a diagnosis, they have every last atom of data necessary to reach that conclusion. Following guidelines that are made because of the actual unpredictability of some cancers somehow translates to stupidity.
I just lost a lot of respect for NDT. Forgive me, pluto! You were always the one for me.
Do you really think the average MD is making diagnoses based on EBM rather than clinical experience? Not saying I agree with Tyson, but most docs aren't double checking the newest literature every time they see a patient.
He's assuming undergrad physics performance by pre meds is representative of their diagnostic skills as doctors... um.. ok... hahahaha whatever, Neil. You keep being angry about everything.
I'm not sure how much I trust NDT.
Even worse is the whole notion of judging doctors by how well people who never became doctors did in his class.
So if a doctor is incorrect about a prognosis that has been derived from the best possible data available and corroborated by his peers, it means they are all "idiot doctors"? Right... or maybe it just means that sometimes the course of a disease might be difficult to predict? It's funny because the point he is trying to make has nothing to do with doctors, and is wholly about religion being stupid, which I entirely agree with. Unfortunately, in order to make his point he made quite a few needlessly patronizing comments about doctors in an attempt to portray them as unintelligent so that his argument about the likelihood of them being wrong about a prognosis would seem more compelling. He could have just explained that a lot of times diseases are not entirely predictable and he would have made the same point about the non-sense of religion just as effectively without making himself look ignorant about the training and capacity of physicians, which actually weakened his otherwise sound argument about religion.
Was about to post this exact thing.
"I've failed more premed students than law students"
"Yeah its astonishing who ends up being our doctors"
wtf? If a pre-med failed physics 101, rest assured they did not become a doctor. The lack of a logical thought process seen in this video is what's astonishing.
Medicine is not basic science. If it was, there would be no malpractice. Real medicine is not clear cut, it's risk vs. benefit, etc.Most academic types don't respect doctors, and they all have an anecdote like this. But he makes a good point re: the shaky, unreliable and unscientific nature of much of medicine.
They also have to understand, relatively, we know very little about how the human body works. Sometimes there are just miracles. Sometimes, there are the one-in-a-million occurances, and sometimes the body works in ways of which we are still unaware. It's very hard to always be right.Medicine is not basic science. If it was, there would be no malpractice. Real medicine is not clear cut, it's risk vs. benefit, etc.
Yeah. I disagree with him on a lot of things, and he pisses me off all the time. But he is truly a genious, and like you said, his enthusiasm for science is unparalleled. He's an excellent advocate for it. It's wonderful when kids are fascinated by science, and I'm sure he really encourages them to learn more.I'm probably going to be the only one with this opinion, but I'm still a NDT fan. Despite the absurdity/idiocy of the clip (and the fact that it feels personal), his advocacy for science is unparalleled, and he has done a hell of a job exciting kids and laypeople about science. Also Cosmos is awesome.
Yeah. I disagree with him on a lot of things, and he pisses me off all the time. But he is truly a genious, and like you said, his enthusiasm for science is unparalleled. He's an excellent advocate for it. It's wonderful when kids are fascinated by science, and I'm sure he really encourages them to learn more.
He'll be back.RIP Robotman.
What? You can close threads?The contents of this thread are SEVERELY off topic for this forum. Not Allo related. That's what the cesspool known as the Wolfs Den is for.
Closing. For reasons.
The Wolfs Den no longer exists. Apparently you have been blinded by your pink shoes and haven't noticed.The contents of this thread are SEVERELY off topic for this forum. Not Allo related. That's what the cesspool known as the Wolfs Den is for.
Closing. For reasons.
No. Only Senior Staff can.What? You can close threads?