Not trained doctor problem??? for Australia or not???

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Dear friends
Hi
First I would like to thank admin for accepting my request, thank you very much.
Well, I do not know is it OK to ask here or not, because I,m new here. Hope to get answer.
I am a medical student and going to finish my 4th year of study( 27 years old and nationality from a country in middle east). I study medicine in Belarus and decided to continue my post graduate study in filed of Orthopedics surgery in Australia.
Recently I started to search about the process of admission, migration to Australia, continue study and work as a orthopedic surgeon there. But there is a big but and that it is this way is not so simple.
During what I got from different information from different websites, I have to get IELTS 7.5 in 4 sections of this exam, pass MCQ, pass clinical exam in Australia, register there as a physician and get permission to work in big cities( low chance ) or small cities (more chance but no guarantee).
Here there is a very big question and that is I have to have at least 5 years of work experience, and I do not have it, and the matter is that after I graduated from my university, I want to start this procedure for application. SO THE FIRST QUESTION IS, what will happen? What Should I do with lack of experience? They will accept me or not?
And the second question is about my future study. As I understood it is almost impossible for a foreigner to become a specialist specially in filed of surgery in Australia, Is it right or not? Because my goal is to be and work as an orthopedic surgeon not a general practitioner. Again what will happen, May I continue to future and post graduate study or not? What is your opinion to study post graduate study and become a specialist in filed of orthopedic and then migrate to Australia?
These are main questions that I have for my future, I hope you be able to help and guide me to choose the correct way.
So please, what the correct steps are for me?
If there is someone who can help and consult with me, please introduce.
Thank you for your time.
With best and kind Regards

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Dear friends
Hi
First I would like to thank admin for accepting my request, thank you very much.
Well, I do not know is it OK to ask here or not, because I,m new here. Hope to get answer.
I am a medical student and going to finish my 4th year of study( 27 years old and nationality from a country in middle east). I study medicine in Belarus and decided to continue my post graduate study in filed of Orthopedics surgery in Australia.
Recently I started to search about the process of admission, migration to Australia, continue study and work as a orthopedic surgeon there. But there is a big but and that it is this way is not so simple.
During what I got from different information from different websites, I have to get IELTS 7.5 in 4 sections of this exam, pass MCQ, pass clinical exam in Australia, register there as a physician and get permission to work in big cities( low chance ) or small cities (more chance but no guarantee).
Here there is a very big question and that is I have to have at least 5 years of work experience, and I do not have it, and the matter is that after I graduated from my university, I want to start this procedure for application. SO THE FIRST QUESTION IS, what will happen? What Should I do with lack of experience? They will accept me or not?
And the second question is about my future study. As I understood it is almost impossible for a foreigner to become a specialist specially in filed of surgery in Australia, Is it right or not? Because my goal is to be and work as an orthopedic surgeon not a general practitioner. Again what will happen, May I continue to future and post graduate study or not? What is your opinion to study post graduate study and become a specialist in filed of orthopedic and then migrate to Australia?
These are main questions that I have for my future, I hope you be able to help and guide me to choose the correct way.
So please, what the correct steps are for me?
If there is someone who can help and consult with me, please introduce.
Thank you for your time.
With best and kind Regards
 
I think you ae in the wrong forum. Australian medical forum is pagingdr.net
 
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Thank you very much "Bangsar".
I also posted there, hope to get answer.
Also if someone knows something about my problem, will be glad to hear that.
Regards
 
I think you ae in the wrong forum. Australian medical forum is pagingdr.net
Um. What do you think this forum is?

There are probably more AMC candidates on this forum than at SDN.

But yes, post to both forums, and scan through the threads over the past couple of years.
 
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You have zero chance of specialising in Australia. Absolutely no chance. Unless you graduated from a reputable university in a developed country. Anyone that tells you that there is a chance to specialise in Australia is lying to you. The government is cutting spending on health left and right. Gaining admission into a non-surgical speciality for Australian graduates of Australian universities takes about 4-5 years, in that time people may do a degree in public health or a PhD to be competitive for application. Admission into a surgical speciality, can easily take more than 5 years after graduation for Australians. You aren't Australian, you graduated from Belarus (which is frowned upon in Australia, Eastern European doctors are seen as backward and unsafe), and you want a surgical speciality. It will never happen for you. Your best chance is to specialise in orthopaedics somewhere else, and then apply as a specialist, but even then, since you're not Australian, don't think that you're gonna move to Melbourne or Sydney and start working in a big metropolitan hospital. If you're lucky, you'll end up working in a rural area for 5 years whilst you're a permanent resident, if you're granted citizenship, I think you can move to a city but not sure if you can move to a huge metro area like Sydney.
 
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You have zero chance of specialising in Australia. Absolutely no chance. Unless you graduated from a reputable university in a developed country. Anyone that tells you that there is a chance to specialise in Australia is lying to you. The government is cutting spending on health left and right. Gaining admission into a non-surgical speciality for Australian graduates of Australian universities takes about 4-5 years, in that time people may do a degree in public health or a PhD to be competitive for application. Admission into a surgical speciality, can easily take more than 5 years after graduation for Australians. You aren't Australian, you graduated from Belarus (which is frowned upon in Australia, Eastern European doctors are seen as backward and unsafe), and you want a surgical speciality. It will never happen for you. Your best chance is to specialise in orthopaedics somewhere else, and then apply as a specialist, but even then, since you're not Australian, don't think that you're gonna move to Melbourne or Sydney and start working in a big metropolitan hospital. If you're lucky, you'll end up working in a rural area for 5 years whilst you're a permanent resident, if you're granted citizenship, I think you can move to a city but not sure if you can move to a huge metro area like Sydney.
Thank you very much.
Well, some more questions:
1.What if I do my residency program( Orthopedic surgery) in Romania or Bulgaria ( European union) and then move to Australia?
2. What if I move to Australia just when I graduated as a non-specialist doctor and without any work experience from Belarus and move to Australia? Well suppose I passed IELTS and AMC exam. How is it possible to work as a GP there? I have been told that I have to work 2 years in Australia then I may be registered, is it right or not? If it is right, will I be paid minimum salary or not?
Regards
 
Thank you very much.
Well, some more questions:
1.What if I do my residency program( Orthopedic surgery) in Romania or Bulgaria ( European union) and then move to Australia?
2. What if I move to Australia just when I graduated as a non-specialist doctor and without any work experience from Belarus and move to Australia? Well suppose I passed IELTS and AMC exam. How is it possible to work as a GP there? I have been told that I have to work 2 years in Australia then I may be registered, is it right or not? If it is right, will I be paid minimum salary or not?
Regards
You have to check if specialities from those countries are accredited in Australia.
Applying as a specialist is a different story, but I would assume it's easier to practice in Australia if you're already a specialist. It's a separate process where the royal college of surgeons evaluates your surgical skills and you have to do a couple of exams and based on that they decide what happens, which is one of three outcomes:
1) You're level of expertise is comparable to that of an Australian surgeon. You practice under the supervision of an Australian surgeon for 12 months and then you're given your license.
2) You're lacking in comparison to an Australian surgeon. You train for 2 to 3 years (i think) under a surgeon from your speciality and you resit the exams and you're re-evaluated.
3) You're significantly inferior to an Australian surgeon. Thanks for trying. Byebye.

Working as a GP in Australia isn't what you think it is. It's much more fulfilling, you actually have a relationship with your patients and you do more than prescribe Augmentin for strep throat, the pay is actually pretty good once you complete specialisation as a GP (yes you have to specialise in family medicine to become a GP). Australian GP's are among the highest paid primary healthcare providers in the world, a lot of US and UK family doctors are moving to Australia because the lifestyle and pay are better. I'm Arab as well and I know the stigma of "just being a GP" but at the end of the day if you're main objective is to start a better life in Australia, and being a GP is the only way that you can do that, then go for it. If you're objective is to become an orthopaedic surgeon because you love it and you can't see yourself doing anything else, then choose the easiest path, in whichever country, that will take you from point A (where you are now) to point B (a qualified orthopaedic surgeon).
Look around Germany, maybe you can find something there I dunno. Just don't limit your options to a single country if you're objective is to become an orthopod.
 
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You have to check if specialities from those countries are accredited in Australia.
Applying as a specialist is a different story, but I would assume it's easier to practice in Australia if you're already a specialist. It's a separate process where the royal college of surgeons evaluates your surgical skills and you have to do a couple of exams and based on that they decide what happens, which is one of three outcomes:
1) You're level of expertise is comparable to that of an Australian surgeon. You practice under the supervision of an Australian surgeon for 12 months and then you're given your license.
2) You're lacking in comparison to an Australian surgeon. You train for 2 to 3 years (i think) under a surgeon from your speciality and you resit the exams and you're re-evaluated.
3) You're significantly inferior to an Australian surgeon. Thanks for trying. Byebye.

Working as a GP in Australia isn't what you think it is. It's much more fulfilling, you actually have a relationship with your patients and you do more than prescribe Augmentin for strep throat, the pay is actually pretty good once you complete specialisation as a GP (yes you have to specialise in family medicine to become a GP). Australian GP's are among the highest paid primary healthcare providers in the world, a lot of US and UK family doctors are moving to Australia because the lifestyle and pay are better. I'm Arab as well and I know the stigma of "just being a GP" but at the end of the day if you're main objective is to start a better life in Australia, and being a GP is the only way that you can do that, then go for it. If you're objective is to become an orthopaedic surgeon because you love it and you can't see yourself doing anything else, then choose the easiest path, in whichever country, that will take you from point A (where you are now) to point B (a qualified orthopaedic surgeon).
Look around Germany, maybe you can find something there I dunno. Just don't limit your options to a single country if you're objective is to become an orthopod.
Thank you very much "Kazaki".
My aim is to live in an English speaker country+ Being and working as Orthopedic surgeon (but it is not obligation because in 2 years I will be 29 years old and then I have to take money from my pocket not from father's pocket + good salary.
If I wanna seek for Germany, I have to start learning German language just now, but also I do not have any information about their educational system and what will happen in 2-3 year and after immigration from middle east to Germany and their new politics and policies.
Well, you said that I have to check if specialties from those countries are accredited in Australia. Is there any website center? Or any link?
And the second question that I did not understand if you answered me, is: In 2 years I will graduate from Belarus university, pass IELTS and AMC and Clinical, Move to Australia. Well at that time I have no work experience( because I have been told by some people that I need at least 5 years of experience). Is it correct that Australian health minister or any other organization will give me this opportunity to work 2 years in Australia and then register. Is this statement correct or not? And if it is correct, they will pay me a minimum salary just to live in Australia during these 2 training years or not?
Thank you very much for understanding and helping.(shokran)
Regards
 
Yeah you do need to have experience in your home country or the country where you trained, but for how long I am not sure. Once you receive your temporary license to practice in Australia under supervision, the pay you get is the same as an Australian graduate at your level, which is around 70,000 per year, income tax is about 30% for that bracket, so take home income is about 4,000 a month which is a very good living.
How competitive is it to do orthopaedic surgery in Belarus? If I was in your position, I'd do ortho in Belarus and then apply for permanent residency and recognition.
https://www.surgeons.org/international-medical-graduates/
http://www.medicalboard.gov.au/Registration/International-Medical-Graduates.aspx
Check the links, they should answer your questions.
 
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Yeah you do need to have experience in your home country or the country where you trained, but for how long I am not sure. Once you receive your temporary license to practice in Australia under supervision, the pay you get is the same as an Australian graduate at your level, which is around 70,000 per year, income tax is about 30% for that bracket, so take home income is about 4,000 a month which is a very good living.
How competitive is it to do orthopaedic surgery in Belarus? If I was in your position, I'd do ortho in Belarus and then apply for permanent residency and recognition.
https://www.surgeons.org/international-medical-graduates/
http://www.medicalboard.gov.au/Registration/International-Medical-Graduates.aspx
Check the links, they should answer your questions.
Dear friend "Kazaki"
Thank you very much.
As far as I know, it is not competitive at all for foreign students, because they have to pay. So first you pay and then you enter to the course.
But, you know I started to search about these problems for one month, and during this period I got very good and different information from you and other gentlemen who have been in this process. Some of them told me that, for example they have specialty in Iran( Like pediatrics, ...) and also worked for 5 years as specialist and then moved to Australia. And now they work as GP there, because Australia did not accept their certificates and diploma.
And now your suggestion is more interesting and challenging for me,( better to do residency and then apply). You know I am in a cross road, where to go and which road should be chosen?!
By the way, even if I do residency in Belarus or European countries, I do not know what to do with lack of experience and work year.This is also a huge question?
Thank you very much doctor for answering, I do not know how to thank you.
Regards
 
Yeah you do need to have experience in your home country or the country where you trained, but for how long I am not sure. Once you receive your temporary license to practice in Australia under supervision, the pay you get is the same as an Australian graduate at your level, which is around 70,000 per year, income tax is about 30% for that bracket, so take home income is about 4,000 a month which is a very good living.
How competitive is it to do orthopaedic surgery in Belarus? If I was in your position, I'd do ortho in Belarus and then apply for permanent residency and recognition.
https://www.surgeons.org/international-medical-graduates/
http://www.medicalboard.gov.au/Registration/International-Medical-Graduates.aspx
Check the links, they should answer your questions.
Dear Kazaki
Hi
Just one question: Tell me please that now it is not possible for a physician like you which immigrated to Australia as a GP and registered there, continue medicine in a European country and then return back to Australia and work as a specialist?
Regards
 
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