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5. It is not feasible to commute from NYC/live in NYC during your time here. The few interns/residents that do face 3+hour commutes daily.
FYI from a preliminary intern at North Shore/LIJ
I have not been happy with this program and feel the interview process and what you hear from the program is quite inaccurate> :: these feelings are reflected by the rest of the preliminary interns here. A few points to be aware of when considering this program:::
1. There is no research elective/research time// you *cannot* request time for research, not even for 1 week of your "elective" time.
2. The program is advertised as having a "4+1" schedule, for every 4 weeks on floors you have 1 week "elective." The schedule is not always 4 wks then 1 wk (you will have stretches of 8 weeks on floors/ICU then 3 weeks in a row of elective). However, *categorical* interns do have a 4+1 schedule where there is 4 weeks of floors and then 1 week in clinic (mind you, clinic may be annoying but there is no call, hours are 9-5, and weekends are off!). Prelims don't get clinic time-- if you do, it will be for 1 week (of the whole year) at the most.
3. "Elective": ALL of the rest of your elective time is on subspecialty services (for which you can "elect" a few, but the rest you will be assigned to regardless so that you see a mix of everything. There are no radiology, pathology, ophthalmology, dermatology, etc. electives. Electives are ID, pulm, GI, cards, palliative care, endo, rheumatology, cards. On elective time, you will split the new consults with the fellow (i.e.electives essentially allow subspecialty services to use interns to do half the work of the fellows). There is no call but the hours are late.
4. Quality of residents is low, given that this is not a very academic program. The vast majority of hospitalists are young/just starting out and this is reflected in the teaching.
5. It is not feasible to commute from NYC/live in NYC during your time here. The few interns/residents that do face 3+hour commutes daily.
FYI from a preliminary intern at North Shore/LIJ
3. "Elective": ALL of the rest of your elective time is on subspecialty services (for which you can "elect" a few, but the rest you will be assigned to regardless so that you see a mix of everything. There are no radiology, pathology, ophthalmology, dermatology, etc. electives. Electives are ID, pulm, GI, cards, palliative care, endo, rheumatology, cards. On elective time, you will split the new consults with the fellow (i.e.electives essentially allow subspecialty services to use interns to do half the work of the fellows). There is no call but the hours are late.
It sounds like you had a bad time of because of lack of choice, which may very well be the case, but it seems to have soured your outlook on the whole program. In other words, BECAUSE you were unhappy, everything else seemed to suck as opposed to it sucking that made you unhappy.
I just finished my prelim year at this program and had a great time. I have a hunch who chocomalt may be and if it's who I think it is.... well all i'm going to say is that working or learning wasn't exactly this person's objective for internship. Personally, I think it's really sad to complain of 10-12 weeks of elective time. What other program gives you that as an intern? And do you really think that if you had gone to any other program as a prelim and gotten the measly 1 month of elective that you would have gotten to do a month of optho or radiology. What's the point of spending a month doing what you are going to be doing for the next 3+ years. I can definatively say I learned alot on my electives -it's what you put into it and how much you want to learn that matters. And as for the rest of the year and floors, units etc. the teaching was great. Yes the hospitalists are young, but where exactly do you see a hospital that has an army of old teaching hospitalists. They are young all over the country. And they couldn't have been nicer or more flexible. I think what we were told on interviews was exactly what I got. And I think this program with the new medical school is certainly on par with alot of the big nyc programs. And much more friendly. Best of luck to all!FYI from a preliminary intern at North Shore/LIJ
I have not been happy with this program and feel the interview process and what you hear from the program is quite inaccurate> :: these feelings are reflected by the rest of the preliminary interns here. A few points to be aware of when considering this program:::
1. There is no research elective/research time// you *cannot* request time for research, not even for 1 week of your "elective" time.
2. The program is advertised as having a "4+1" schedule, for every 4 weeks on floors you have 1 week "elective." The schedule is not always 4 wks then 1 wk (you will have stretches of 8 weeks on floors/ICU then 3 weeks in a row of elective). However, *categorical* interns do have a 4+1 schedule where there is 4 weeks of floors and then 1 week in clinic (mind you, clinic may be annoying but there is no call, hours are 9-5, and weekends are off!). Prelims don't get clinic time-- if you do, it will be for 1 week (of the whole year) at the most.
3. "Elective": ALL of the rest of your elective time is on subspecialty services (for which you can "elect" a few, but the rest you will be assigned to regardless so that you see a mix of everything. There are no radiology, pathology, ophthalmology, dermatology, etc. electives. Electives are ID, pulm, GI, cards, palliative care, endo, rheumatology, cards. On elective time, you will split the new consults with the fellow (i.e.electives essentially allow subspecialty services to use interns to do half the work of the fellows). There is no call but the hours are late.
4. Quality of residents is low, given that this is not a very academic program. The vast majority of hospitalists are young/just starting out and this is reflected in the teaching.
5. It is not feasible to commute from NYC/live in NYC during your time here. The few interns/residents that do face 3+hour commutes daily.
Personally, I think it's really sad to complain of 10-12 weeks of elective time. What other program gives you that as an intern?