Official 2013-2014 IM Residency WAMC (What Are My Chances) Thread

[CDI]

When you say "more than likely", are you saying "more than likely yes", or "more than likely no"?

Also, are there any other programs in those areas that you would suggest?

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[gutonc]

When you say "more than likely", are you saying "more than likely yes", or "more than likely no"?

Also, are there any other programs in those areas that you would suggest?

More than likely yes.

 

[colts]

More than likely yes.

Thanks, appreciate the help!

Any other programs that you guys would suggest in those areas? Maybe in terms of "safety" schools...

 

[jdh71]

Med School: Top 25
Step 1 247
Step 2 Taking in Sept
Pre-Clinical: Mix of As & B+s. Honestly probably more B+ than A.
Clinical: H peds, neuro. HP medicine, ob/gyn, family. P in psych. Surgery grade pending
Rank: 2nd quartile

Research: 1 paper on algae biodiesel research in undergrad. 2 papers, 2 abstracts, and 1 poster presentation on ortho research in med school (decided I wasn't a surgery person)

EC: Not much in med school. Volunteered at a health fair screening BP and talking about general health maintenance, healthy diet, exercise, etc.. Spoke at some panels for pre-meds. Might do some low-income clinic work later this semester. Some cool stuff in undergrad but I'm not sure how much that really matters.

LORS: should be strong. 2 medicine, can get 1 peds or 2 neuro letters as well (any thoughts on this?)

AL: UAB
CA: Cedars-Sinai, UCLA, LA County/UCLA, USC, UCSF
IL: UChicago, Northwestern
MA: BID, Tufts, BU, B&W, MGH
MI: Michigan
MN: Mayo
MO: WashU
NY: Columbia, NYU, mt sinai
NC: Duke
OR: OHSU
PA: Penn, Pitt
TN: Vandy
TX: UTSW, BCM, UT Houston, Methodist, UTSA,
VA: UVA?
WA: UW

Strong interest in going to the Pacific Northwest, particularly UW, because I have family up there. However, it wouldn't be the end of the world if I ended up somewhere else.

What are my chances at these programs? Also, do I need more safety programs?

I think you'll get many of those but you probably should tack on a few more safeties. None of those are safeties. Not really - maybe UT Houston and Methodist.

 

[kdhmed]

D.O. student looking for some help here. My school is smaller and really does not have much on the end of advising us through this process. Thank you in advance for any input!

Step 1: Mid 240s
Step 2: Low 260s
School: Southern osteopathic college
Clinicals: HONORS = IM Inpatient/Outpatient, FM, Peds, Cardiology, Nephrology
HP: Surg, OB, Psych
AOA: SSP for us D.O. Students. Also, top 25% of class
Research/Pubs/Extracurrics: Basic science research on endothelial NO production for 1.5yrs in undergrad, no pub. Ophthalmic tech for 2yrs in undergrad.Taught sone undergrad chem. Working on cardiac imaging case report but won't be finished by the time apps go out. Wrote an article for a DO Magazine. Headed our schools Relay for Life. Other various volunteering/leadership positions/scholarships.
Letters: All very strong, but likely not to be recognized by anyone outside of my small town where I'm doing clinicals.
The next few months: ICU, IM Sub-I in September, ID (Loyola) or EMory (Pulm) in October.
Where the heck I'm applying...: From Tampa up to Pennsylvania and as far west as chicago. Strong, either University or Community UB program. Possible fellowship in Nephro. I've got a big list, I just don't know where to begin ranking them or where I stand or what I'm missing...

Rush
UIC
Loyola
Chicago Med @ Ros. Franklin
Advocate
Cook County
USF Tampa
UF
GWU
Georgetown
BU (DO friendly...?)
Tufts
BID
Cambridge Health Alliance
Mt. Auburn
U of Maryland (DO friendly...?)
Brown
OSU
Cinci
Case
VCU
Emory
MUSC
Wake
Duke
UNC (DO friendly...?)
Albert Einstein
Penn
Drexel
Temple
Thomas Jefferson
UPMC

Thanks again for the input.

 

[mercaptovizadeh]

How important are ECs? I don't have any except my PhD, membership in a student organization, some very brief tutoring, and some interesting international stuff from undergrad. I don't have a ton of activities beyond that. I'm hoping I will have 9 pubs + 1 accepted + 1 submitted when I apply (they're not in top journals by any means).

 

[HoldTheCoffee]

How important are ECs? I don't have any except my PhD, membership in a student organization, some very brief tutoring, and some interesting international stuff from undergrad. I don't have a ton of activities beyond that. I'm hoping I will have 9 pubs + 1 accepted + 1 submitted when I apply (they're not in top journals by any means).

It's kind of a black box really. They seem semi-important but in all honesty, they probably shouldn't be.

The PhD probably trumps ECs in most cases anyway.

 

[HoldTheCoffee]

D.O. student looking for some help here. My school is smaller and really does not have much on the end of advising us through this process. Thank you in advance for any input!

Step 1: Mid 240s
Step 2: Low 260s
School: Southern osteopathic college
Clinicals: HONORS = IM Inpatient/Outpatient, FM, Peds, Cardiology, Nephrology
HP: Surg, OB, Psych
AOA: SSP for us D.O. Students. Also, top 25% of class
Research/Pubs/Extracurrics: Basic science research on endothelial NO production for 1.5yrs in undergrad, no pub. Ophthalmic tech for 2yrs in undergrad.Taught sone undergrad chem. Working on cardiac imaging case report but won't be finished by the time apps go out. Wrote an article for a DO Magazine. Headed our schools Relay for Life. Other various volunteering/leadership positions/scholarships.
Letters: All very strong, but likely not to be recognized by anyone outside of my small town where I'm doing clinicals.
The next few months: ICU, IM Sub-I in September, ID (Loyola) or EMory (Pulm) in October.
Where the heck I'm applying...: From Tampa up to Pennsylvania and as far west as chicago. Strong, either University or Community UB program. Possible fellowship in Nephro. I've got a big list, I just don't know where to begin ranking them or where I stand or what I'm missing...

Rush
UIC
Loyola
Chicago Med @ Ros. Franklin
Advocate
Cook County
USF Tampa
UF
GWU
Georgetown
BU (DO friendly...?)
Tufts
BID
Cambridge Health Alliance
Mt. Auburn
U of Maryland (DO friendly...?)
Brown
OSU
Cinci
Case
VCU
Emory
MUSC
Wake
Duke
UNC (DO friendly...?)
Albert Einstein
Penn
Drexel
Temple
Thomas Jefferson
UPMC

Thanks again for the input.

I think it might be a waste of money to apply to Penn/Duke/BID/UNC, but there's no harm in applying. I know that some of these programs were mentioned in that DO thread someone linked to a page back or so, but it's hard to know what the circumstances were. For example, I don't think it's usual for Penn to accept DOs and there might have been some weird circumstances (maybe they had a PhD, were related to someone on staff, etc.). Honestly, it's hard being a DO and your application is very strong otherwise. You'll almost definitely land somewhere on your list. Cleveland Clinic is pretty DO friendly and worthy of consideration despite the random hate it gets on SDN. They seemed to have a pretty good match list for fellowship.

 

[disorder]

Med School: Top 25
Step 1 247
Step 2 Taking in Sept
Pre-Clinical: Mix of As & B+s. Honestly probably more B+ than A.
Clinical: H peds, neuro. HP medicine, ob/gyn, family. P in psych. Surgery grade pending
Rank: 2nd quartile

Research: 1 paper on algae biodiesel research in undergrad. 2 papers, 2 abstracts, and 1 poster presentation on ortho research in med school (decided I wasn't a surgery person)

EC: Not much in med school. Volunteered at a health fair screening BP and talking about general health maintenance, healthy diet, exercise, etc.. Spoke at some panels for pre-meds. Might do some low-income clinic work later this semester. Some cool stuff in undergrad but I'm not sure how much that really matters.

LORS: should be strong. 2 medicine, can get 1 peds or 2 neuro letters as well (any thoughts on this?)

AL: UAB yes
CA: Cedars-Sinai yes, UCLA maybe+, LA County/UCLA yes, USC yes, UCSF probably not
IL: UChicago maybe -, Northwestern maybe +
MA: BID maybe +, Tufts yes, BU yes, B&W probably not, MGH probably not
MI: Michigan yes
MN: Mayo yes
MO: WashU maybe +
NY: Columbia probably not, NYU maybe ++, mt sinai yes
NC: Duke maybe +
OR: OHSU yes
PA: Penn maybe -, Pitt yes
TN: Vandy maybe +
TX: UTSW maybe +, BCM yes, UT Houston yes but why, Methodist yes but why, UTSA yes but why,
VA: UVA yes, great program
WA: UW maybe -

Strong interest in going to the Pacific Northwest, particularly UW, because I have family up there. However, it wouldn't be the end of the world if I ended up somewhere else.

What are my chances at these programs? Also, do I need more safety programs?

add cornell, ucsd, uwisc, uutah, ucolorado, UNC, yale, brown, dartmouth

pick safeties in specific regions you'd like to end up.

 

[disorder]

How important are ECs? I don't have any except my PhD, membership in a student organization, some very brief tutoring, and some interesting international stuff from undergrad. I don't have a ton of activities beyond that. I'm hoping I will have 9 pubs + 1 accepted + 1 submitted when I apply (they're not in top journals by any means).

you're fine.

i'm sure you do stuff outside of medical school too, no? doesnt need to be med school related.

 

[AlexTheGreat41]

Figured I'd repost since the thread seems to have picked up steam:

Step 1:221
Step 2 CK/ CS:not taken
School:Average State school
Class Rank:bottom 1/2
Grades in Clekship:All Pass
AOA:No
Research/ Publications/ Extracurriculars: Summer research program, presented at conference, Chemistry research from college, no pubs. Nothing special on EC's, director at student run free clinic.
Overview of where you want to end up: South East/Midwest


Vanderbilt
UT Nashville
UT Knoxville
Memphis
Louisville
Kentucky
Ohio State
Cinci
MUSC
South Carolina
Indianapolis
St. Vincent's Indy
UAB
Florda
Miami
New Hanover Wilmington
Loyola
Rush
VCU
Georgetown
George Washington
UGA
St louis
St Lukes in St Louis

Any other places I should consider?

 

[mercaptovizadeh]

It's kind of a black box really. They seem semi-important but in all honesty, they probably shouldn't be.

The PhD probably trumps ECs in most cases anyway.

you're fine.

i'm sure you do stuff outside of medical school too, no? does need to be med school related.

This all seems kind of goofy at this stage, because I fail to see how volunteering at free clinics or tutoring or membership in activities is relevant to one's ability to perform well in residency. I mean, aren't clinical rotations and recommendations and the board exams meant to cover that?

But it seems that residencies are increasingly going the way of med schools and colleges such that random ECs will become the major distinguished between homogeneously excellent applicants. Which means that the competition is growing, but we already knew that...

 

[HoldTheCoffee]

This all seems kind of goofy at this stage, because I fail to see how volunteering at free clinics or tutoring or membership in activities is relevant to one's ability to perform well in residency. I mean, aren't clinical rotations and recommendations and the board exams meant to cover that?

But it seems that residencies are increasingly going the way of med schools and colleges such that random ECs will become the major distinguished between homogeneously excellent applicants. Which means that the competition is growing, but we already knew that...

Yeah, I'm not saying that it's fair or that it really makes any sense. But like you're saying, it seems semi-important, especially for IM, because we have so many applicants. This is especially true for the more popular programs. Just by sheer numbers alone, even if certain programs were to screen with a 240 Step1 cut-off, they'd still have too many potential interviewees.

 

[kdhmed]

I think it might be a waste of money to apply to Penn/Duke/BID/UNC, but there's no harm in applying. I know that some of these programs were mentioned in that DO thread someone linked to a page back or so, but it's hard to know what the circumstances were. For example, I don't think it's usual for Penn to accept DOs and there might have been some weird circumstances (maybe they had a PhD, were related to someone on staff, etc.). Honestly, it's hard being a DO and your application is very strong otherwise. You'll almost definitely land somewhere on your list. Cleveland Clinic is pretty DO friendly and worthy of consideration despite the random hate it gets on SDN. They seemed to have a pretty good match list for fellowship.

Thanks for the advice. Any blatantly obvious programs I'm missing that you think I'd be a good candidate for?

 

[laconfidential]

D.O. student looking for some help here. My school is smaller and really does not have much on the end of advising us through this process. Thank you in advance for any input!

Step 1: Mid 240s
Step 2: Low 260s
School: Southern osteopathic college
Clinicals: HONORS = IM Inpatient/Outpatient, FM, Peds, Cardiology, Nephrology
HP: Surg, OB, Psych
AOA: SSP for us D.O. Students. Also, top 25% of class
Research/Pubs/Extracurrics: Basic science research on endothelial NO production for 1.5yrs in undergrad, no pub. Ophthalmic tech for 2yrs in undergrad.Taught sone undergrad chem. Working on cardiac imaging case report but won't be finished by the time apps go out. Wrote an article for a DO Magazine. Headed our schools Relay for Life. Other various volunteering/leadership positions/scholarships.
Letters: All very strong, but likely not to be recognized by anyone outside of my small town where I'm doing clinicals.
The next few months: ICU, IM Sub-I in September, ID (Loyola) or EMory (Pulm) in October.
Where the heck I'm applying...: From Tampa up to Pennsylvania and as far west as chicago. Strong, either University or Community UB program. Possible fellowship in Nephro. I've got a big list, I just don't know where to begin ranking them or where I stand or what I'm missing...

Rush
UIC
Loyola
Chicago Med @ Ros. Franklin
Advocate
Cook County
USF Tampa
UF
GWU
Georgetown
BU (DO friendly...?)
Tufts
BID
Cambridge Health Alliance
Mt. Auburn
U of Maryland (DO friendly...?)
Brown
OSU
Cinci
Case
VCU
Emory
MUSC
Wake
Duke
UNC (DO friendly...?)
Albert Einstein
Penn
Drexel
Temple
Thomas Jefferson
UPMC

Thanks again for the input.

With your score don't bother with Rosalind Franklin, Advocate, and Cook County (which is all IMGs)

As a fellow DO I can tell you BU, UNC, Duke, Mt Auburn, Jeff, Maryland, and Tufts are not DO friendly. I applied to BID because hell, you only do this once. You can pick a few reaches and no one will fault you but don't waste your money. The other ones on your list are good picks, you'll prob get a fair # of interviews and will have a solid number of choices.

 

[kdhmed]

With your score don't bother with Rosalind Franklin, Advocate, and Cook County (which is all IMGs)

As a fellow DO I can tell you BU, UNC, Duke, Mt Auburn, Jeff, Maryland, and Tufts are not DO friendly. I applied to BID because hell, you only do this once. You can pick a few reaches and no one will fault you but don't waste your money. The other ones on your list are good picks, you'll prob get a fair # of interviews and will have a solid number of choices.

HUGE help. This is what I needed. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

 

[zempa]

Step 1: 236
Step 2 CK/ CS: pending (hoping for 245+)
School: top 50
Class Rank: bottom third
Grades in Clekship: all 4/5
AOA: no
Research/ Publications/ Extracurriculars: not much, part of a free clinic, did some research that didn't go anywhere between 1st and 2nd yr, started a medicine club
Overview of where you want to end up:

in NYC (family reasons), what are my chances for places like LIJ, sinai

would a place like Lennox be considered a safety?

I really need help compiling my list

and my other worry is can I even match with my grades/ec

thanks for all the help!

 

[NilamPatel]

Should DO students release comlex scores to MD residencies, Even if they took usmle? Do PDs care about that, would they ask "why don't we have your comlex scores?" I'm asking cuz my usmle is better than comlex and would like to the avoid the "why is your comlex lower questions."

 

[disorder]

Step 1: 236
Step 2 CK/ CS: pending (hoping for 245+)
School: top 50
Class Rank: bottom third
Grades in Clekship: all 4/5
AOA: no
Research/ Publications/ Extracurriculars: not much, part of a free clinic, did some research that didn't go anywhere between 1st and 2nd yr, started a medicine club
Overview of where you want to end up:

in NYC (family reasons), what are my chances for places like LIJ, sinai

would a place like Lennox be considered a safety?

I really need help compiling my list

and my other worry is can I even match with my grades/ec

thanks for all the help!

You'll match.

Interview probability in NYC?
Likely all programs except Columbia, Cornell, NYU, and MSSM. Maybe not Monte...

 

[235009]

Step 1: 236
Step 2 CK/ CS: pending (hoping for 245+)
School: top 50
Class Rank: bottom third
Grades in Clekship: all 4/5
AOA: no
Research/ Publications/ Extracurriculars: not much, part of a free clinic, did some research that didn't go anywhere between 1st and 2nd yr, started a medicine club
Overview of where you want to end up:

in NYC (family reasons), what are my chances for places like LIJ, sinai

would a place like Lennox be considered a safety?

I really need help compiling my list

and my other worry is can I even match with my grades/ec

thanks for all the help!

bottom third of the class at a non-top school is going to hurt. i agree with disorder ...you almost certainly won't get interviews at any of the big 4 in NYC. if you get an interview at monte i would be skeptical that you'd match there. you're probably average for LIJ (which has gotten more competitive).

Other than that you can basically walk into any of the community programs. They'd all be more than happy to have you....SLR, BI, lenox hill, etc, etc. Winthrop would also be happy to have you. The problem is that these programs mentioned at the end don't set you up as well to apply to fellowship outside of their own hospital.

 

[lemus]

4th year at allopathic well recognized but Top 40? school

Step 1: 223
Step 2 CK/ CS: taking soon
School: top 50
Class Rank: probably top 50
Grades in Clekship: HP in medicine, HP obgyn, H psych, Pass surgery , and Peds
AOA: no
Research: Co-authored a textbook chapter
- published abstract
- scholarship for summer research but no pubs
- trying to get another Rads proj going
EC: Founded an overseas pro bono surgery mission trip have been there 2x since med school, med school ambassador for HS students interested in med, paid scribe for class lectures, some other random things not sure how much this helps anyway

Would like to stay in NE but east coast is fine... cali schools would work but crazy competitive I know. Would love to go to a higher than mid-tier program like Jefferson, Gtown, Brown, Monte...

Jefferson
Drexel
Temple
Montefiore
Albert Einstein
St. Lukes
NYU
Brown
Yale
Boston U
GW
Georgetown
UVA
Pittsburgh
Duke
UF
UC Irvine

Is it a Balanced list? Not really sure where else... will apply to around 60-70 progs? not sure

I might be double applying with rads bc I am really unsure at the moment as to what I want. How do I go about applying to the same institution for rads, prelim and catagorical IM without PDs finding out. Especially at my home insitution, should I just apply to rads and not IM bc it might rub people the wrong way?

 

[medmopp]

Made a new account to post here (hope that's okay....). My other name is pretty identifiable, and I'd like this info to stay anonymous.

Step 1: 240s
Step 2 CK/CS: Taking in about 2 weeks.
School: Top 50
Class Rank: Around top 1/4 to 1/3
AOA: Most likely not
Grades in Clerkships: Honors in Medicine, surgery, psych, OB-Gyn, anesthesia. Pass in Outpatient medicine, peds, neuro (my school doesn't have high pass). Medicine SubI grade pending, but I should honor.
Research: Published 1 abstract, presented 1 poster. Otherwise, did a year of bench research in undergrad that didnt yield anything worth reporting.
EC: Most of the usual stuff - officer in interest group, some community volunteering with health fairs, free clinic

I'm couple's matching with someone who is going into a very competitive field. If I were applying alone, I would mostly apply to university programs given the fact that I will likely want to do a fellowship (not yet decided in what). However, I'm willing to apply to high quality community programs if that would increase my chances of being able to match in the same city as my significant other. I'm targeting cities with a high density of programs - like New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Philly, and Boston. But while I'm relatively comfortable with university programs, I'm absolutely CLUELESS as to what community programs are good and where I'd still have a shot at fellowship were I to match there. I know of a few in California like Scripps or Cedars. Anyone have any other suggestions? I'd really appreciate any help I can get.

Thanks so much in advance.

 

[gbc1986]

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[heroes31]

Does anyone know the average Step 1 scores for South Florida programs like cleveland clinic florida, mount sinai miami, and Jackson memorial?
Got a 225 on Step 1
top 25% of class
just started 3rd yr
D.O. student
wanted to know if I had a chance at these places. Thanks!

 

[Trogghunter]

There are quite a few osteopathic programs all over miami. Look at the aoa website for those.

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[jdh71]

Does anyone know the average Step 1 scores for South Florida programs like cleveland clinic florida, mount sinai miami, and Jackson memorial?
Got a 225 on Step 1
top 25% of class
just started 3rd yr
D.O. student
wanted to know if I had a chance at these places. Thanks!

That data is not published.

 

[heroes31]

There are quite a few osteopathic programs all over miami. Look at the aoa website for those.

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Thanks for the help. I am aware of the osteopathic programs but wanted to know my chances at the Allopathic programs in S. Florida. Any help would be much appreciated!

 

[dozitgetchahi]

Should DO students release comlex scores to MD residencies, Even if they took usmle? Do PDs care about that, would they ask "why don't we have your comlex scores?" I'm asking cuz my usmle is better than comlex and would like to the avoid the "why is your comlex lower questions."

Yes

I was a DO applicant last year and matched well.

Most programs won't even know what a good COMLEX score is and will just ignore it if you have USMLE results.

 

[dozitgetchahi]

Thanks for the advice. Any blatantly obvious programs I'm missing that you think I'd be a good candidate for?

Northshore (if you really care about Chicago, but you'll get much better interviews).
Indiana
Iowa, Minnesota (not in your target area, I know...but I was very pleasantly surprised by these programs during interviews last year)
Hopkins Bayview
UMDNJ-RWJ
Brown
Dartmouth

If you're feeling bold, you can try UAB and/or UVa...I know some DOs who got interviews at both last year, even though they don't appear to be very DO friendly.

Tufts and BU are notoriously unfriendly to DOs at this point, as is Case.

 

[AlexTheGreat41]

Question that seemed relevant for here:

I was looking at Alabama. I couldn't find a website for either UAB Montgomery or UAB Huntsville. Are they as competitive as the main UAB residency?

 

[jdh71]

Question that seemed relevant for here:

I was looking at Alabama. I couldn't find a website for either UAB Montgomery or UAB Huntsville. Are they as competitive as the main UAB residency?

No

 

[heroes31]

Does anyone know the average Step 1 scores for South Florida programs like cleveland clinic florida, mount sinai miami, and Jackson memorial?
Got a 225 on Step 1
top 25% of class
just started 3rd yr
D.O. student
wanted to know if I had a chance at these places. Thanks!

Anyone can comment? Felt a little down when I got my score.

 

[gutonc]

Anyone can comment? Felt a little down when I got my score.

There is nothing even remotely competitive about any of those programs. Also, your score isn't that bad.

Just apply.

 

[heroes31]

There is nothing even remotely competitive about any of those programs. Also, your score isn't that bad.

Just apply.

Thanks!

 

[Toadsworth]

Step 1: 255
Step 2 CK/CS: Taking late/pass on CS
School: Top 50 in the northeast
Class Rank: Around top 1/4
AOA: unlikely? Not determined yet.
Grades in Clerkships: have a H, HP, P system. H in family, and IM sub-I as 4th yr. HP everything else including 3rd yr IM.
Research: Ongoing clinical research. 2 soft poster presentations at school. But should get a good LoR out of it.
EC: usual stuff, volunteering here or there, interest group leader, etc.

Very tentative programs: MGH, BWH, BID, BU, Tufts, Dartmouth, Brown, UVa, Vandy, Michigan, Washington, OHSU, UC Davis, UCSF, Stanford, UCLA, USC, UC San Diego, Northwestern, UIC, U of Chicago, Duke, UNC, Gtown, NYU, Cornell/Columbia

Clearly looking at academic/coastal programs with some exceptions.

Danke

 

[235009]

Step 1: 255
Step 2 CK/CS: Taking late/pass on CS
School: Top 50 in the northeast
Class Rank: Around top 1/4
AOA: unlikely? Not determined yet.
Grades in Clerkships: have a H, HP, P system. H in family, and IM sub-I as 4th yr. HP everything else including 3rd yr IM.
Research: Ongoing clinical research. 2 soft poster presentations at school. But should get a good LoR out of it.
EC: usual stuff, volunteering here or there, interest group leader, etc.

Very tentative programs: MGH, BWH, BID, BU, Tufts, Dartmouth, Brown, UVa, Vandy, Michigan, Washington, OHSU, UC Davis, UCSF, Stanford, UCLA, USC, UC San Diego, Northwestern, UIC, U of Chicago, Duke, UNC, Gtown, NYU, Cornell/Columbia

Clearly looking at academic/coastal programs with some exceptions.

Danke

I would be surprised if you're in the top quartile with only one H during third year. I would recommend that if you really want a shot at the top tier programs you'll need to take CK early and get 250+ to make up for the average clinical grades. Also consider adding some more mid-tiers so you can have some more options....depending on what your class rank ends up being.

 

[np207]

When people talk about the step 1 screen, does anyone know what score most places use?

 

[gutonc]

When people talk about the step 1 screen, does anyone know what score most places use?

Yes.

 

[mercaptovizadeh]

When people talk about the step 1 screen, does anyone know what score most places use?

Yes.

I believe it's between 230 and 240. I think the highest would be 240, more likely 230 at most top places.

 

[HoldTheCoffee]

I believe it's between 230 and 240. I think the highest would be 240, more likely 230 at most top places.

Yeah, it seems like 230s based on what I've observed. The Step 1 cut-off isn't as high as most people think, but obviously if you have a 230, you should probably have something "extra", like really interesting ECs or research, that the guy with a 250 doesn't have.

 

[235009]

Yeah, it seems like 230s based on what I've observed. The Step 1 cut-off isn't as high as most people think, but obviously if you have a 230, you should probably have something "extra", like really interesting ECs or research, that the guy with a 250 doesn't have.

the something "extra" is either coming from a top school or being top of your class and/or AOA. research is a distant runner up and ECs don't seem to matter much if you don't have at least one of the first two things i mentioned.

 

[np207]

Yeah, it seems like 230s based on what I've observed. The Step 1 cut-off isn't as high as most people think, but obviously if you have a 230, you should probably have something "extra", like really interesting ECs or research, that the guy with a 250 doesn't have.

Oh jeezzzzzzz looks like I'm SOL with a 213!

 

[jm192]

Oh jeezzzzzzz looks like I'm SOL with a 213!

I'm assuming that the 230-240 cut off is for some higher end places.
If you go to each individual program's website--a lot of them will post USMLE data under application or FAQs.

I've seen several place list lower than 230. A lot will say "while we don't have an official score, preference is given to applicants with..." But a 213>>>>>>>failing on your first try.

 

[tramps]

Hey guys, FMG here, planning to apply for IM and OBGYN for the upcoming match. I would really love to hear your honest opinion about my chance.

Step 1: 253
Step 2 CK/CS: 255/pass on CS
School: FMG
Year of Graduation : September 2011
Grades in Clerkships: Graduated 2nd in my class
US Clinical Experience: 2 months OBGYN externship and 1 month IM Externship (3 US LoR, 1 home country LoR)
Research: 1 oral presentation and 1 poster presentation, in the Netherlands though
EC: Tutoring and volunteering

I don't limit myself in any geographical area. What programs would be reasonable for me to apply to?
Thanks for your input guys!

 

[gutonc]

Hey guys, FMG here, planning to apply for IM and OBGYN for the upcoming match. I would really love to hear your honest opinion about my chance.

Step 1: 253
Step 2 CK/CS: 255/pass on CS
School: FMG from Indonesia
Year of Graduation : September 2011
Grades in Clerkships: Graduated 2nd in my class
US Clinical Experience: 2 months OBGYN externship and 1 month IM Externship (3 US LoR, 1 home country LoR)
Research: 1 oral presentation and 1 poster presentation, in the Netherlands though
EC: Tutoring and volunteering

I don't limit myself in any geographical area. What programs would be reasonable for me to apply to?
Thanks for your input guys!

First, pick one specialty. Then pick some programs. Then come back and ask again.

 

[tramps]

Internal Medicine.

Programs : I'm interested in a more academic program, but being a FMG would be a big hurdle for me. So probably :
- Northwestern
- UoFlorida
- Rush
- Rosalind Franklin
- Southern Illinois
- University of Iowa
- Cook County Hospital
- Weiss Memorial
- UPMC
- Case Western
- Ohio State University
- U of Toledo

 

[jdh71]

Oh jeezzzzzzz looks like I'm SOL with a 213!

exactly

you might as well take your own life now than cause your family to lose face

 

[HoldTheCoffee]

Internal Medicine.

Programs : I'm interested in a more academic program, but being a FMG would be a big hurdle for me. So probably :
- Northwestern
- UoFlorida
- Rush
- Rosalind Franklin
- Southern Illinois
- University of Iowa
- Cook County Hospital
- Weiss Memorial
- UPMC
- Case Western
- Ohio State University
- U of Toledo

Are you sure all of the above programs take FMGs regularly? I would be surprised if NW does. Would also be somewhat surprised if Pitt, Case, or Ohio State regularly did too.

 

[colts]

BA in Biology, M.S. in Biomedical Sciences
Med School: Low to Mid Tier
Step 1 218
Pre-Clinical and Clinical: P and HP, 1 H (HP in IM, haven't had my SubI yet)
Research (during med school): 2 abstracts, 1 full article, 1 poster presentation (probably gonna have about 2-3 more by the time applications are sent out)
EC: didn't get too much cuz was I was simultatneously trying to finish my M.S., but do have some volunteering abroad experience, as well as volunteering for camps in the US, as well as tutoring experience
LORS: will be strong

Programs I'm looking at...what do you guys think?

UConn
Yale - Reach
Georgetown - Reach
George Washington
U of Miami - Reach
Rush
UIC
Loyola
Rosalind Franklin
Tufts
BU
UMass
U of Maryland - Reach
Johns Hopkins Bayview - Reach
U of Michigan - Reach
UNC - Reach
Duke - Reach
Albany Medical Center
SUNY Brooklyn
Einstein Montefiore
Einstein Jacobi
U of Buffalo
Einstein Beth Israel
NYU - Reach
Mount Sinai - Reach
U of Rochester
SUNY Stony Brook
NYMC
Case Western (Metrohealth)
Caes Western (University Hospital)
Ohio State
Penn State
Thomas Jefferson
Temple
UPMC - Reach
Brown
UVA -Reach
Virginia Commonwealth
U of Wisconsin - Reach
Emory - Reach.

Also, worth to mention, in terms of electives...i have 1 IM elective i took 3rd year that's p/f and another non-IM elective that was p/f...in terms of 4th year, so far I have 2 non-IM electives

I won't have any IM electives before apps go out cuz I'll have to do required electives...do you guys think my non-IM electives will hurt me in turns of getting into the best school I can?

 

[tramps]

Are you sure all of the above programs take FMGs regularly? I would be surprised if NW does. Would also be somewhat surprised if Pitt, Case, or Ohio State regularly did too.

based on some research I did, NW and OSU have 1 FMG(they are more of a wishful thinking for me), I called some of these programs and check their website, UPMC has around 20% FMG, Case Western I'm not sure.