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Discussion in 'Internal Medicine and IM Subspecialties' started by wyme84, Mar 15, 2013.

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  1. saphireflame

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    School: top 30
    Steps: 240s/260s
    Clinical: H in medicine, sub-I (didn't have at the time ERAS was due), mostly H and occasional HP for the rest.
    AOA: yes
    Extras: pretty standard. 1st author basic science publications (without doing a ph.d) helped me stand out.

    Applied to 20. Invited to 14. Interviewed at- Brown, UChicago, Duke, UNC, Cornell, Mt. Sinai, Yale, BID, BU, Penn, Jefferson (got lazy towards the end and cancelled a couple that I wouldn't have cancelled had I been able to schedule them sooner, oh well)
    Rejected- MGH, B&W, Stanford, UCSF, Northwestern, Columbia

    Matched- Cornell (#1!)

    Advice-
    As many have said, it's such a random process-- don't get bogged down by which specific program invites you or rejects you.
    Be nice to EVERYONE on the interview trail. i really felt like how you answer interviewers' questions doesn't matter nearly as much as just being friendly and open-minded throughout interview day. talk to anybody and everybody, smile, and don't complain about how many interviews you've had to do or how many hours you've had to drive, etc.
    know your application, including your personal statement (!)
    talk about your hobbies and interests

    oh and PM me if you're also going to NYP-weill cornell!
  2. futuredoctor10

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    Will this individual PM me? Promise to keep it confidential. Thank you!
  3. harate09

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    IMHO it is not a random process. Programs know what type of residents they want and they pick candidates who meet their criteria to interview. It is not a perfect process but definitely not random.

    I agree with you about "Be nice to EVERYONE on the interview trail". I would add one more - be CURIOUS.

    I spent a lot of time learning about programs, their faculty, and their research inside out. This helped me during my interview trail.

    I went to all the pre-dinners and talked to interns and residents to understand their culture.
  4. gutonc

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    School (or tier): DO

    Steps: Step 1 238, Step 2 252 plus badass COMLEX scores

    AOA: was SSP (not really the same though), top 10%

    Clinicals: half P, half Honors

    Interviewed: Wake, UIC, Temple, Loyola, Cinci, MUSC, Gtown, GW, UF, UMDNJ-NJMS, some community places

    Rejected: all the big guys, UVA, Jeff, Tufts, BU

    Matched: #1 (not saying to preserve slight anonymity)

    Anything special about your app: National level leadership, lots of volunteering

    Research: several pre-med school pubs, couple of posters

    Advice for future applicants:
    1) Well, as a DO you gotta be aware of who takes us and who doesn't-if you glance at this thread there are places that with my stats and whatnot that I should have gotten IVs but didn't...not complaining so much as saying don't waste your time applying to a ton of places that will throw you app in the trash

    2) Having interesting hobbies or something to talk about would help...I felt super boring when I would say "oh I like music, used to play the piano"

    3) Apply widely and broadly

    4) DOs: take the USMLE!

    5) Go to as many interviews as you can tolerate; although I matched at my #1 damn skippy I'm glad I went to 15 interviews and exponentially decreased my risk of not matching
  5. take the shot

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    I agree that programs have a specific type in mind and that's what they're looking for.
    Unfortunately, we don't necessarily know what that type is!

    I think the randomness Saphireflame is referring to is:
    1) You may get interviews from very prestigious, competititive programs and then don't get one from a program that is much less competitive in comparision
    2) You may get an interview with better stats than your classmate or they may be the one to get it with worse stats

    This is why I agree with everyone who says apply broadly and reach for the stars
  6. saphireflame

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    it's like you read my mind. additionally-- my experience is that there are a number of people with similar stats applying to similar caliber programs. as such, a random extracurricular activity or LOR writer or research topic etc etc could have struck one selection committee member's fancy, while similar experiences might not seem as interesting to another selection committee and thus you get by-passed. a couple of PDs or aPDs actually mentioned very specific things in my application that "really made them want to meet me". and i assure you- while i have pretty good ECs and pretty strong research experiences, i definitely didn't cure cancer or save african children... i think that particular PD/aPD just happened to have been interested in the thing i've done.

    so to sum up my ramblings: don't get upset about getting rejected from one program and certainly don't feel like you weren't good enough, when everyone's fantastic, there's bound to be some subjectivity in the selection process.
  7. harate09

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    agreed :thumbup:
  8. disorder

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    i am reposting this from ANOTHER thread. but, i think we should come up with some sort of algorithm of current trends for future applicants so that the question of "am i competitive" isn't brought up every other day. or at least, there will be a FAQ we can direct them to.

    please feel free to add or modify my ideas/scheme



    1. board scores (>240)
    2. H medicine
    3. AOA or top 10 med school
    4. published research
    5. +/- unique EC's
    if you have all of these, this is the best case scenario to get looks EVERYWHERE


    if you have 1 and 2, you are solid for mid tier programs with outside shots at top tier programs
    if you have 1, 2, and 3, you are solid for mid tier programs +/- some top tier
    if you have 1, 2, and 4, you are solid for mid tier programs +/- some top tier
    if you have 1, 2, and 3 (both AOA and top 10) you are solid for mid tier programs +/- most top tier (this i assume, but i am guessing you better have some unique EC's)
    if you have 1, 2, 3, and 4, you are solid for mid tier programs +/- most top tier programs

    if you have 2 and 4 (granted you have a step 1 >220) you will get most mid tier programs with outside shots at top tier programs [CK might help increase your chances, but don't expect magic)

    bottom line: despite the above, there's no magic bullet that will determine where you will/will not get interviews. these are rough guidelines.
  9. DrVanNostran

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    Congrats to all those who have matched. Enjoy the next few months. July will suck, but it gets better.
    -DVN
  10. PACERS14

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    i realize this is VERY subjective, but what do you mean by "top tier" and "mid tier"
  11. LovelyBRass

    LovelyBRass Eternal Internal

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    Nothing, every program is equal to every other program.
  12. ArcGurren

    ArcGurren only one will survive

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    Top tier = excuse to tell other people you go to a fancy recognizable name place.

    Mid tier = excellent clinical training and research probably just as good as a top tier place but without necessarily the instant name recognition of the top tier place.
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    School (or tier): Osteopathic
    Steps: 225/252
    Clinicals: Letter grading system. Received A's in all, except for surgery, in which i received a B+
    Interviewed: Wanted to stay local. Interviewed at Banner Good Samaritan, St. Joe's, U of A, Maricopa Medical Center, Univ of NM, UN Reno in Las Vegas, Sacred Heart in Spokane and Huntington Hospital
    Matched: MMC (#4)
    Anything special about your app: Decent board scores, interesting extracurriculars and background, tutor for several courses.
  14. disorder

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    let's qualify.
    "top tier" = "most competitive" = "top 25ish"
    "mid tier" = "most solid applicants will get looks" = "25-50ish"
    and if you anyone needs help about subjective rankings, just look at the bickering in this thread.

    i do agree that all/most programs will offer fantastic training. if you're looking to get into some competitive sub-specialty, many will argue that you should try and go to a competitive residency that has a good track record of getting their residents into such fellowship. as much as the qualifier of "go with your gut" comes into play, i think applicants must think equally about their future aspirations.

    arcgurren i agree. but, as anything has told us during this season, pedigree matters especially at the top.
  15. ArcGurren

    ArcGurren only one will survive

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    Eh it depends on what sort of career you want. Most mid-tier programs will match you competitively into the fellowships you want be it cards, GI, pulm/cc, whatever.

    If you absolutely want to go to the "best name fellowship" then yes going to Duke/Vandy/Brigham/MGH/Hopkins/whatever will definitely be a leg up. I personally don't think it makes a difference unless you want to stay in academics.
  16. disorder

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    more or less, i agree.
  17. darkelven29

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    Obviously this was an anonymous opinion, not gutonc's, he was pasting match stats. I was looking at the main NRMP 2013 outcomes. There were only 14 unfilled categorical IM programs (didn't look at all the special tracks). You should rank all your programs! IM is becoming more competitive!

    Unless you rather do something else for one year and reapply, change specialty, or go through SOAP and pick one of these IM programs (couldn't find the other 4):

    Kaiser Permanente Fontana, CA
    White Memoral Med Center, CA
    Earl K Long Med Center, Baton Rouge
    LSU, New Orleans
    LSUHSC, Shreveport
    Grand Rapids Med Ed Partners, Michigan
    Wayne State Univ, Detroit
    East Tennessee State, Johnson City
    Texas Tech, Amarillo
    Texas Tech, Odessa

    No thank you...
  18. urrugby

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    Board Scores: 222/225
    AOA and Class Rank: no, 50th percentile
    Reputation of Medical School: average public N.E. university
    Research: none
    Clerkship: HP for all
    Away rotations: None

    Interviews: VCU, Jefferson, BU, Maryland, Monte, Temple, Wake, Gtown, GW, BINY

    Rejected: Duke, UNC, Vandy, NYU, Mount Sinai, BIDMC, Emory

    Where matched: VCU
    Position on rank list: #1

    Anything That Helped Your Application
    -Non-traditional applicant with a background in public health

    General Advice:
    -Apply broadly and don't assume anything is guaranteed. "ROAD" is out of date, and Medicine is becoming more competitive at all levels
    -Be patient throughout the process, but advocate for your application when appropriate
    -Prepare for each interview individually. Granted, they may not make or break your application, but it's your time to show the hospital that you fit into their culture
    -Know your strengths and tell a story with your application
    -Know your weaknesses and have a solid response prepared
    -Follow up after interviews with a "thank you", but don't necessarily show your hand too early or aggressively
    -Work your connections, but be careful not to put too many cards into play because PDs talk
    -Consider more than just reputation when ranking (eg. work/life balance, location, curriculum, etc.) and pick the program that best meets your wants and needs
  19. LovelyBRass

    LovelyBRass Eternal Internal

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    Yeah I definitely agree with you. Definitely rank every program! Even the most notoriously malignant FMG-mills (sorry for the slur but it's to get a point across) fill and won't be an option for you as you leave off programs you slightly disliked.
  20. thierryhenry

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    Wayne State University main campus with 31 slots did indeed fill, the one that did not is the off site Afflliate in Maywood (outside of Detroit) that has 13 slots which went unfilled with 3 slots remaining. Big difference there...
  21. Y3M

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    which "special track" did you get in?
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    Which programs are these? Not sure I have ever heard of that before
  23. wamcp

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    Will a similar thread be put up for this year?
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    School: Low/mid-tier Northeast (NOT top 50)
    Step1: 245
    Step 2: 267/pass
    Clinical: All Honors 3rd and 4th year
    Class rank: Top 5-10%
    AOA: Senior
    Extras: Summer basic science research project w/ cash award between 1st and 2nd years (but no pub), pretty interesting prior career experience before medical school

    Interview invites: Stanford, Columbia, UCLA, U Michigan, UW, Yale, Northwestern, BIDMC, UTSW, UCSD, UC Davis, Mt. Sinai, OHSU, Wash U, UNC, UVA, Emory, Baylor, Brown, Tufts, BU, Dartmouth, home institution (went to/ranked 14 of these)

    Rejected: UCSF, MGH, B&W, Hopkins, U Penn, Duke, U Chicago

    Matched: U Michigan! (#4)

    Advice: I am very excited to be part of such an amazing program. I really liked a lot of the places I visited over the past few months, but this was one that I really felt "clicked," and I am sure I will get excellent training there to prepare me for the next stage. However, I do have some thoughts:
    - IM is getting damn competitive
    - I think the name of your medical school probably matters more than you would expect for IM
    - Do not put any weight into post-interview correspondence
    - Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst (i.e. rank enough programs). I'm just glad I ended up somewhere I really loved.

    Congrats to everyone who matched where they wanted!
  25. jumpmanv15

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    Aren't we 'Match 2014'?
  26. Broseph

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    Is everyone drunk? :)
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