Thanks for letting me know
It depends on the school. The letter is available immediately on AMCAS but the school has to initiate an action to get it. In my experience, schools seem to get that daily or every few days.Quick Q: If your letter-writer is submitting electronically to AMCAS (and you have your letters assigned to your schools already) how quickly do the letters go from AMCAS to med school? Is there a delay?
It depends on the school. The letter is available immediately on AMCAS but the school has to initiate an action to get it. In my experience, schools seem to get that daily or every few days.
AMCAS will allow you to add the LOR at any time. Whether the school will pull it from them or will pay any attention to it depends on the school. Some appreciate updates, some explicitly tell you not to send them anything else after the initial application.Hey guys,
Can you add a new letter of recommendation to your file whenever during the application cycle? Assuming that your complete application (including the required LORS) was submitted well before the deadline?
Hello! I have what I believe may be a slight dilemma. I am a non-trad who's been out of school for about eight years now. I am part of a medical squadron in the Air National Guard and am in great standing, so my MD and DO letters are thankfully not a problem.
However, having been out of school for quite some time I would not be able to reach out to professors as at this point the wouldn't even remember me. I am taking a few online classes at Colorado State University and have the top grades in either class, the Professors are willing to write me letters because of this; but have expressed their concern that since they don't know me that well this might come out in the tone of the letter- making the letter not fully effective. Should I still ask for these letters?
One of the MD's who has offered to write me a letter is an Adjunct professor at one of the schools I am applying to, would this count as a science letter?
Let me know.
That actually is pretty good advice. I don't really have time this cycle to do the in house class, as I am already applying somewhat late in the cycle.First.......very happy that you guys still use the FAQ I wrote for this thread each year.
Second....I think that this is one of those iffy situations that doesn't have a clear-cut answer. I am a big fan of getting the best possible letters that you can. When someone expresses concern that the letter they may write you is not going to be the best letter....I think this is a sign that they don't think they can write you a good letter.
The science letter usually means someone that had you as a student in their science class. Every school will have different qualifications for this. Like you, I was a non-trad applicant, and I ended up calling or emailing every single school I applied to and asked them about their letter requirements. Some said that a 2 science professor letter requirement was non-negotiable, but many said that they really just want your best letters. I had several employer letters because most of my time in the 8 years before med school was spent working. I only ended up having one true science letter. Since you have time, I would recommend trying to take one in-person science class to get a letter that way, and investigate the schools you plan to apply to and see what they are willing to accept. Personally, I think that at most schools, your experience in a medical squad and the resulting letters you will get from that will trump an intro bio class professor letter any day. And a school that doesn't think so will likely not value the experience you have....and probably would not be a place you would want to go. The application process often (but not always) has a surprising way of pushing you toward the place that is the best fit for you, and I think that playing up the real-life experience you have is a huge plus. I am on the admissions committee at my school, and when I interview, I really try to figure out what kind of real-life crap people have gone through, so I know that they can go through some more real-life crap in medicine.
I know that is not the best answer, but I hope it helps. Good luck, and you already sound like someone interesting that I would like to interview!
That actually is pretty good advice. I don't really have time this cycle to do the in house class, as I am already applying somewhat late in the cycle.
What I think I'll do is I will get my letters from my squadron, and the science letters, but call the admissions departments where I get secondaries and explain my situation to see what they would like. If they would be willing to accept just the letters from doc's who know me well and whom I've served under, or if they absolutely require the science professor letters.
From the feedback in your post this seems like the wisest course of action, let me know if you have any further suggestions, and thank you very much for reply.
No need to apologize for well meaning but inadvertently misplaced advice. Thank you very much once again for your feedback.You're welcome, and I'm sorry about the recommendation to take a science course; I somehow mind-melded your post with a post above you that said the question was for next cycle.
If you *do* end up applying next cycle, you could do this; otherwise your plan sounds great. You may also want to add some schools in that you hadn't previously considered depending on their treatment of letters. I actually did that with the school I ended up in. I didn't apply to them originally, but once I realized that a school's secondary questions are pretty revealing (re: the school's personality) I went through the school specific threads, read the secondary prompts, and added three more schools based on that - all three of which I interviewed at, and 2 accepted me, one I withdrew from.
I'm a non-traditional applicant, set to start a post-bac program next month because my science courses are about 10 years old. I've also been out of work for a couple years due to licensing issues with my profession. Thinking ahead, will the following 4 LORs be ok?
Letter from a mother whose son I tutored in high school science/math
Paralegal program professor (an attorney) whom I took 3 classes under
Pre-med committee letter
Someone I worked with or under as a volunteer (I plan on volunteering in Spring 2016), or maybe a patient I potentially get close with while volunteering
I hope those will be enough. I contemplated asking for a possible (future) LOR from professor(s) in my post-bac program, but I feel odd asking a professor whom I took one class with, especially if a class is large with 50+ students in it. Unless I constantly ask questions during class (which I rarely do), basic science professors probably won't get to know me. It seems like the only thing they could comment on is how well I did on tests, homework, and labs. To me, that's not enough to write about someone. I'd rather prefer a pre-med committee letter, since that would encapsulate the grades earned in the entire program (not just 1 class with a single professor).
Thanks, but I can't trust anything you say on here (especially from someone who's trolling my posts). I still can't believe how a medical student can comment on what letters are actually useful. I thought admissions committees or deans of universities are qualified to make judgment calls like that.
So amazing lol. Baffles my mind. I regret even asking the question about LORs on here. It's not the right venue for it.
Psai is right.
Look up the requirements for the institutions you plan to apply.
Sometimes schools allow LORs from volunteer coordinators or a supervisor.
http://hpplc.indiana.edu/medicine/med-apply-lor.shtml
http://www.studentdoctor.net/2014/04/letters-of-recommendation-for-medical-school/
Medical students help out people all the time. We have been through the process and applied to many different schools. I was a nontrad applicant so I had to ask around for LOR requirements.
I'd like to think that non-trad applicants have more experience than your garden-variety medical student who went from college directly to medical school. Makes sense how med schools would value the non-trad a lot more than the "straight collegiate" route students. I'm not saying that's you because I honestly do not know. Only you would know that, obviously. But as for you saying "you don't know jack," you are sadly mistaken. I'll always be proud to be non-traditional and beating to my own drum. Sorry if that clashes with you...not my problem.
And thanks for keeping up on how long I've been here. Just proves my point that you're a stalker, seeing my posts and what-not. News flash: you don't own this forum.
Medical schools value committee letters because they provide an integrated and institutional perspective on an applicant’s readiness for medical school. They provide a comprehensive evaluation of applicants based on direct observation and the synthesis of information provided by faculty and others at an institution. This integrated perspective provides unique and valuable information about applicants.
Hello, everyone! I wanted to voice some concerns so I could get your advice...
I'm getting a letter from my faculty advisor for my honor's thesis project, which is in math (which is considered a science letter in MD schools, but non-science for DO schools). He's a very nice man, but he is a second-generation Chinese man and his English is sort of lackluster. What would you recommend?
I know some science professors, so that shouldn't be as much of a concern.
I'm also concerned about the physician letter. I know it's not always required, but for a lot of DO schools, they want one. I've seen posts stating that the doctors you shadow may not be able to write good letters, so what do people normally do for strong physician's letters?
I am planning to apply for the 2016 cycle. However, I wont be able to get my last science LOR in until mid August. How much will this hurt me? Am I better off waiting for the 2017 cycle?
And for allopathic?Assuming your other stats are competitive with osteopathic schools you'll be fine.
And for allopathic?
Thanks for the info anywaysMy apologies I cannot speak to allopathic deadlines and cycle nuances.
He would be considered an instructor and is perfectly fine to use as non-science LOR
Are most medical schools strict about their maximum letters of recommendation letters accepted? Is it a big deal if you send them more than that?
Are most schools really strict about the professor having taught one of your sciences courses? One of my writers taught me and the other I worked for as her TA for about 2 and a half years in general biology, do I need to try and find one more?
Schools will state either 1)letters from a science professor you took a course with (most common) OR 2) letters from science faculty.
What the adcoms are most wanting to see is an evaluation of you in a science course. While your letter from faculty as your ability as a TA will likely be perfectly acceptable to an adcom, some schools maybe sticklers about LOR specs and frown upon this. However, it is unlikely that you will rejected on not technically fulfilling the requirements