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opening ur own pharm/business?

Discussion in 'Pharmacy' started by dr1989, 04.07.09.

  1. dr1989

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    just out of curiosity.

    how many of you future pharmacists are plannning to open up your own pharmacy or make some sort of business with it?

    many of the pharm hopefuls are going into retail and research IMO and i have yet to see anyone who wants to start their own pharmacy.

    personally speaking-i want to work in pharmacy/hospital first 5-6 years, pay off my loans, and open up my own pharmacy-start my own business, etc


    what about u guys out there? :)
  2. gotmilklol

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    I personally want to start my own pharmacy, but don't know where to get my dual degree in MBA/PhD in a good college. People make more in owning a pharmacy, but it is very stressful and lots of responsibilities.
  3. BugsNDrugs

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    I also plan on owning my own pharmacy one day. I will definitely be working somewhere for the first few years to pay back loans. But after that hopefully I can start pursuing ownership. I have worked for an independent pharmacy for about 4 years now and I can see that the rewards FAR outweigh the bad.
  4. BenUstudent

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    Thats so funny. My sister (going for D.O.) and I (Pharm.D) will hopefully Be accepted (2012) and Finish Grad school (2016) at the same time. Were both thinking of working in a hospital for 5-6 years and open like a Dr. office/Pharmacy with a really close family freind (a M.D.) who already owns a few Offices in the chicagoland area. We joke about and call it "2 for 1 clinic". But we still don't know, we still have a Long time to plan it out
  5. drpharMD

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    I think that will be a smart move financially once the market starts to fill up with pharmacists (though there is a need for them now). I want to be a Director of Pharmacy for a large teaching hospital while working OT for a few years. Once I gain enough capital/pay off loans, I will open up my own pharmacy. My plans are set! :D
  6. fhx06

    fhx06 lolwut?

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    If I were to do so, I would wait until I get most of the loans paid off before starting new loans for my own pharmacy. You do not want your sole income to be paying the loans from both your education and your start-up costs; you'll never get in the black.
  7. thephoenician88

    thephoenician88 wat.

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    unless you find a certain niche, you'll be either bought out or out-competed by current pharmacies.
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    fhx06 lolwut?

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    That, too.
  9. harvoh126

    harvoh126 Junior Member

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    Walgreen and CVS will make your store go broke in no time. Unless there isnt a pharmacy nearby
  10. RXsocal

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    Walgreen's wanted to buy out the pharmacy where I worked out for 1.5 million dollars even though the owner bought it for only 200,000 grand. This was because the pharmacy where I worked at took so many of the CVS/Walgreen's customers. The owner actually declined and suggested a 2 million dollar buy out because the pharmacy makes THAT much money for him right now....
  11. aboveliquidice

    aboveliquidice No sacrifice - No victory Moderator Emeritus

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    Moving thread to appropriate forum.
  12. jvanewportnews

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    So what's the salaries? I've been searching all over the net, and I finally find a good discussion about independent pharmacies, but how much more would you all plan to be making? I heard it can be over 500k a year. If that were true, why isn't every pharmacist trying to run their own pharmacy?
  13. blueclassring

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    I've spoken to many people about this, and most are afraid to make a move. They rely on their "secure" jobs, and do not want to risk failure. Fortunately or unfortunately, not everyone is cut out to run a business.
  14. SHC1984

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    How does he steal Walgreen's business? by charging less money? there is no way as Walgreens have the best price...its hard to beat.
  15. Doctor M

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    I noticed many of you are PRE-PHARMACY...let me just say that an independent can survive and do well even with CVS and walgreens around. Many patients go to the Mom and Pops for service and unique experiences that the chains do not offer. If you want to open up a pharmacy, go for it. Find a location, save money and just do it. And if you offer superior service you will be able to take patients from the chains. I work for CVS and patients will transfer out to neighboring independents because they may offer something we cannot.
  16. Transformer

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    I completely agree.

    A pharmacist I work with has her own compounding pharmacy. Her pharmacy can make special compound medications that hospital and retail pharmacies are NOT able to produce at a moments notice.
  17. Aznfarmerboi

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    False. Most independent pharmacies do not make 500k a year net profit. I doubt it is sales since 500k would be too little. The average salary is what you pay yourself (150k for working more than 60 hours a week) plus 1-2 percent of your sales. A successful independent pharmacist should be making about 250 to 300k range average.

    This is assuming you dont have a Walgreens or CVS near you, in an underserved area, tight overhead, and doing 150 scripts average.
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  18. Aznfarmerboi

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    Of course if a chain comes along, you will get easily a million dollars cash for your business in addition to what you made before.

    A lot of graduates chose chain over indepedents because 1. You get a secure job with minimal risks, 2. You dont have to worry about retirement, health benefits, etc, 3. You can start paying off your student loans ASAP, and 4. You have a peace of mind when you go home.
  19. blueclassring

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    Yes, these facts and figures are right on the money. 200-300 K net sounds about right from the reading I've done, and from talking to pharmacists currently in the biz.
  20. PumpkinSmasher

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    The know a couple independent owners and the numbers sound right, they are building up to the 250k mark. I like the idea of owning my own pharmacy and running the way I want to but after working at some independents, I don't know anymore. Like you said, they work at least 60 hours a week and when they are home I am sure they are taking care of paperwork, scheduling, bills, etc. You have to really want to do it and be ready for some family/free time sacrifice.
  21. Aznfarmerboi

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    It is more than paperwork. Just applying for different licenses, applying to different insurance companies and complaying with their regulations, dealing with ingrateful patients, or just making sure you get paid (for some reason, insurance companies are good at forgetting to pay you) is a pain in the butt by itself.

    Also, most indepedent pharmacies from what I know do shady businesses on the side depending on what they want their risk exposure to be. Hence, you will might not only be competing against chains, but against shady pharmacies where your license will be on the line MORE since you are a new graduate.
  22. Doctor M

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    this isnt necessarily true...sometimes having a CVS or walgreens can help your cause!almost like free advertising!
  23. Doctor M

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    care to elaborate a bit more? are u talking narcs??
  24. Aznfarmerboi

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    Filling RX without asking patients, selling drugs without a legal prescription (ie antibiotics, viagra, etc), various violations of misbranding when they reuse same vials, etc
  25. Doctor M

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    Yeah, i would say that is pretty shady...i wouldnt take the chance...u never know whos watching!
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    so wats stopping me frum taking my profit and buying more pharmacies n starting a chain? then i could make 500k per yr rite?
  27. PumpkinSmasher

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    Did you have a few beers tonight?;)
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    Lol if you are referring to my spelling no. And I'm also just curious lol
  29. BugsNDrugs

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    Thank you! Independents DO survive out there. Some people act like Walgreens and CVS are the best thing that ever happened to the profession of pharmacy. I can't count the times that we have heard complaints from our customers about Rite-Aid, CVS, Walgreens, etc... Heck, I know of several of our customers who get mad at us for some reason (more than likely not even our fault), transfer their Rx's to Walmart, and about a week or two later transfer BACK to us! Most of them realize the grass isn't always greener...

    Like Doctor M said, having a Walgreens or CVS near you isn't necessarily bad for independents. We have SEVERAL big chains within 5 miles of the independent I work at and we have plenty of business. The key is customer service. When people come in to our pharmacy and can get an Rx filled in 5 minutes if we're not busy they are likely to be satisfied. And when you call the patient at home to let them know not to make a special trip to the pharmacy because the insurance company will not cover their Rx for a couple more days, they will be satisfied. My boss gross' about $350,000 - $400,000 a year. That is with 2 other full time pharmacists. So success in independent IS possible, and that is from EXPERIENCE, not what I "heard" from somebody else.
  30. Aznfarmerboi

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    I admit that Wags and CVS can be good for an independent because we refer customers to independents if the customer is rude, out of stock, compounds, etc. However there are a few trends that I am seeing. For one thing, CVS and Walgreens are now referring customers to other in-chain pharmacies, taking more serious steps toward customer services, and sending patients to their own chain pharmacies that do compounding.

    For one thing, I heard from my colleagues that compounding is one of the fastest growing things in Walgreens so they are opening up pharmacies that DOES compounding. For CVS, we got memos that for special products, we are to put the patient on the list to guarantee that we have it in stock and to send patients to CVS with compounding requirements if we cant do it. They even have a pharmacist in each district working on this floating around to each stores calling them up and asking if there is anything we can do for them.

    In any case, most chains do take up the easy bread and butter prescriptions and send the "problemetic" ones to the independents.
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    Eh, CVS is too much into calling people at home to fill rx's. I dont ever see them making compounding a huge issue. Yeah, pre-made magic mouthwash, pre-made progesterone supp, but thats about it. I service the customer as if the CVS i work at was my own pharmacy. And yes, the chains want the easy bread and butter rx's...
  32. Doctor M

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    Because you need to have the right location and have a clientele. Just because you have one successful store doesn't mean all your stores will be successful. You need to be sure that expanding will be profitable...the timing has to be right.
  33. Idesiretosling

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    Instead of starting a new pharmacy you could look into buying an existing pharmacy. It may be hard to come up with the cash but there are other options, junior partnership.

    Over half of the independent owners out there are over 50 and that data is from 2002. Many of these folks are going to be looking to retire. A junior partnership can be a great deal for buyer and seller, depending on the situation.
  34. StaviZFingerZ

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    I owned a closed door pharmacy once. It was to supplement the respiratory business which was a part of our Durable Medical Equipment company. We specializied in pediatric nutrition and had a very robust business providing medical nutrition for over 1,300 kids in the state.

    Pharmacy wasn't the main income generator rather augmented our other business.

    I would not attempt to open a Pharmacy alone business.
  35. Aznfarmerboi

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    I got a memo telling us to send compounding scripts to certain stores in the district. Walgreens is big on it though.
  36. Aznfarmerboi

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    The PCI thing is definitely a big factor. Took us a while to caught on how to cheat on that. I think they are pushing it because a big part of management's bonus is based on it. . . like 1/5th for Tom Ryan or something etc.
  37. BugsNDrugs

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    I don't see a big retail chain ever diving heavily into compounding. I also don't think the customer service will ever match, or even come close to matching that of independent retail. Yes, there may be some exceptions, but there has to be a balance between great customer service and the "business" side of the big retail guys. Seems to me the big retailers are only interested in MONEY. As long as that's the case, I don't see them ever beating out independents on customer service.

    It's also funny you say the "problematic" customers get referred to independents. It's interesting that our independent pharmacy never seems to have the problems with those "problematic" customers that we get from walmart, CVS, walgreens, etc. I don't think referring a rude customer somewhere else is really displaying good customer service. Sounds like they just don't want to deal with the problem. Am I missing something here???
  38. PharmDstudent

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    I work for "the man", you know, and we have a good bit of "problematic" patients, e.g. the 80 yo old couple, the war vet who can't understand a word you're saying, the one who insists on having the original stock bottle and the coupon processed without even saying a word before hand, the people who give you a face full of disgust whenever you fill the generic instead of the brand, the drug company employee who wants brand name everything, the parent who comes to the pharmacy every time their loved one gets admitted, etc.

    We don't have a problem with adicts or anything like that, but we still have to be people pleasers- which is ok with me. :) Some people don't want to please patients, though, and I can understand that. Four years of pharmacy school just to play people-pleaser is kind of annoying, to say the least.

    I love counseling patients. I love, love, love it. :love: It's the only thing that keeps me going back to my job... but just don't ask me to give advice after the pharmacy closes when I'm in the office or out the door. :p
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    :thumbup:

    I agree with you. We have those type of problematic customers too, I suppose, but they usually don't direct their anger towards us. Most of our patients are fairly respectful to us (usually the "problems" occur from a tech not knowing something and the patient getting frustrated). And I agree that being a "people-pleaser" definitely isn't for everyone. But I enjoy counseling and likewise, keeps me returning to my job as well.
  40. Pocket Rx

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    Mercer University, that is where i go currently and I started the program then later realized that I did not need the MBA for what is was that I wanted to do in Pharmacy.
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    Great Idea. I hope to open my own Pharmacy one day and have written two business plans for the competition. Hopefully we don't get screwed by AMP. You don't need an MBA. Don't forget Tax advantages, be just like kaiser who'se CEO makes millions but the company is "non-profit" :) Pay yourself well, and use business deductions to buy stuff to improve your pharmacy :) this can be anything from Capitol goods to a car, professional memberships, business and entertainment expenses etc. The most important thing is DO YOUR HOMEWORK. NCPA has wonderful workshops and info session where u can learn what to do and what not to do :). Check out the NCPA digest, if you want this info, PM me :)
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    ANYONE CAN OPEN THEIR OWN PHARMACY IF THEY WANT TO. THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT BY BUSINESS OWNERS AND RISK TAKERS. I grauduate about 2 years ago and started my own pharmacy about a year later. Since then i have also purchased my family's pharmacy. I started my own pharmacy to ensure people didnt think i was just given a pharmacy from the family. Both businesses are profitable and doing well, and im still able to pay off my large student loans. I definitely agree with the process of purchasing an established business. there are thousands of owners across the US looking to sell to another individual and not a chain. Most of these owners are also will to finance the purchase themselves. I have friend who is 25 and just purchased his first pharmacy in Indiana. I will admit that Im not making as much as the chain pharmacists at the current moment but my assets and personal wealth is growing at a much faster rate. There are some long days and additional stress but nothing can replace being your own boss. "live like no one else today so that you can live like no one else tommorow" We can compete with all the chains as long as you run your business correctly. I have all the chains around me and i out perform all of them. None of them can compete with my price, i am cheaper on 99.9% of the medications (CVS, WALMART, AND WALGREENS WILL NO LONGER MATCH ANY OF MY PRICES WHICH IS GREAT ADVERTISING FOR ME) and i still make money on every single one of my rx's. and yes i have a 4 dollar list also. This is all done without doing anything illegal as a previous post mentioned. My business is my financial security and wouldnt do anything to comprimise that. If you want a pharmacy then buy one, this shouldnt be a society that expects to work for others and be told what to do. Nothing better than being in full control of you life
  43. BugsNDrugs

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    It's really nice to hear your story. I am almost 100% set on opening my own pharmacy/buying a pharmacy in a few years. Good job!
  44. pharmcoyote

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    I am def set to open my own pharmacy one day as well. NCPA is an awesome org as it has helped me so much with its great resources. Besides, meeting with the fantastic owners out there solidifies my goal even more. These owners looked so happy and satisfied with their lives compared to the most retail or hospital pharmacists that I have met. The fear is there when there are too many unknowns but by utilizing all the resources available out there, it is possible! I just don't wanna regret one day when i get old complaining that i didn't even give it a try. It's absolutely worth the risk!!! Even if you work for a company for many years, you still have to worry about job security. I have recently just witnessed that...it's really sad. So it's probably the best to determine your own destiny than putting your life on someone's decision.
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    What about risk of robbery and stuff? Is that common and are you concerned at all?
  46. PumpkinSmasher

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    I know an independent in Washington that got robbed not too long ago, they now have all the proper equipment and security, so they are not not worried.
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    I currently work for an independent pharmacy and it is truly a unique experience compared to experiences of technicians and major chains. Our volume is generally lower, so we have more time to actually develop relationships with customers. There is so much freedom from the rules and regulations of chain pharmacies that it doesnt affect the way we help treat our patients.

    I hope to work for a retail pharmacy, pay off loans/save money, then buy an existing independent in a small community. Ah...in a perfect world.
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    I agree with everyone who says you shouldn't do it. DON'T BUY YOUR OWN PHARMACY! Too much competition, time commitment, risk, etc. Just work your 40 hours at the nearest chain and cash your paycheck for the next 20-30 years.

    Leave all the independents for me, because I plan on owning/co-owning about 5 to 10 stores within the next 10-15 years, at which point you will find me on the beach with a pina colada and a wad of cash in my pocket.
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    I already beat u to it :)

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