Anyone use this and have any opinions? Dr. Sattar has been frequenting many schools recently and talking up his book. Does this add anything that can't be found in Goljan or FA?
yes, of course. If you thought I was replacing the entire cardiac chapter of FA with the pathoma cardiac chapter you grossly misunderstood my post. The Pathoma cardiac chapter perfectly complements the PATHOLOGY section of the FA cardiac chapter. Comparing the two cardiac chapters shows theres nothing pathoma lacked and in fact better explained many things (if you are really wanting to understand the basis of a particular pathology.) You can't get by with using FA exclusively for everything that youre gonna face on boards if you want to know as much as you can and Pathoma is a good addendum for the pathology portion.I have both and read both along with FA and my concurrent path classes. Pathoma is high yield PATHOLOGY of systems (with a little pathobiology). Rapid Review is more than that. It is integration of pathology with physiology, micro, genetics, pharm, biochem, all the subjects of FA basically. It teaches you to think like a question is worded on a step 1 test - secondary and tertiary. Also, RR covers chapters like path of genetic diseases, nutrition, etc. Yes, you can get most of that in FA but it is not as well integrated. I'd say RR gets you to think like the test (equivalent in just doing a bunch of questions if that's how you learn best).
When it comes time to cram, I will be using mostly FA and pathoma for review just because it is shorter (although the margin notes and boxes in RR will be a def must).
Also Goljan audio is pretty cool. If you listen to the audio you will see how RR is written in a similar way - multi-step analysis of the problems. I don't want to argue with anyone since I think all are great products (just look at the rating RR got in the back of the new FA and you'll understand) but just understand that they are not equal.
yes, of course. If you thought I was replacing the entire cardiac chapter of FA with the pathoma cardiac chapter you grossly misunderstood my post. The Pathoma cardiac chapter perfectly complements the PATHOLOGY section of the FA cardiac chapter. Comparing the two cardiac chapters shows theres nothing pathoma lacked and in fact better explained many things (if you are really wanting to understand the basis of a particular pathology.) You can't get by with using FA exclusively for everything that youre gonna face on boards if you want to know as much as you can and Pathoma is a good addendum for the pathology portion.
I know you didn't mean that. I was directing my comment to people who think that RR is simply filled with 400 pages of superfluous info that is unnecessary (compared to the length of Pathoma). I point is that this is not the case. Almost everything in RR is testable but most if not all of that information is contained in FA + Pathoma combined. RR has stuff that is not in Pathoma but not because it is low yield but rather because I believe Dr. Sattar meant for you to learn from FA and other resources. RR often outlines a disease as the key physiology being tested, key pathology, the diagnosis, microbiology/embryology/biochemistry if relevant, and the treatment. You need to know all of that to do well. But you can get it all using just FA + Pathoma. It's just another approach.
Goljan is good. But the field is no longer dominated by him. There's lighter faster fighters in the game now. We have options.
oh no.....he's dominating.
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60OgjBa8hhg[/YOUTUBE]
damn. phenomenal power for his age. he did't get that listening to someone talk all day.
That's why I listen to Goljan audio when I'm working out!
I agree with you. It's a question of style. And how given the Step endgame. One approaches this vast amount of material.
I like to integrate myself when failing to answer questions correctly. The sting of that punch to my nose stays with me longer. With GT and UWorld you get interactivity of facts integrative problem solving respectively. With pathoma you get punchy crisp clarity.
I like my passive listening in short stacked sessions. So pathoma was made for me. I use first aid as a reference only. Again. Too passive for me.
I've listened to Goljan audio and read his text. But it just takes too long. Given that I work out for 90 minutes each day--something all of us sedintary f'ers should do--Goljan got cut.
Goljan is good. But the field is no longer dominated by him. There's lighter faster fighters in the game now. We have options.
I wish I found this sooner. Dr. Sattar is great. I've used everything out there since my exam is in 3 days...EEK!!!...
I used Goljan audios during school. I used RR as a supplement during live lectures of Goljan via Falcon Review and I've been through Pathoma a couple times. It has definitely cleared some things up for me. I highly suggest going through it slow the first time (normal speed) and then a couple times at 1.4x or 1.7x speed.
My last two NBMEs were 240 and 242. I hope I can stay there this Friday.
Not sure what to do with myself. Going over some micro today, a bit of Pathoma, a bit of Dr. Raymon, and 1st Aid.
We'll see...
Minus the live lectures of Goljan and Dr. Raymon (never heard of it) that is basically my study strategy + UW. Hope it works out! Goodluck!
Hey all,
I'm currently an MS2 and looking for some Pathoma add ins. I use and love Pathoma, bc of all the above points. I even draw out his diagrams on a piece of paper! I've been using it mainly with systems and it helps me understand things really well. I usually run through Pathoma, but in some cases it doesn't go over stuff that is taught my classes so I use RR to supplement it. I also use kaplan/costanzo for phys (time dependant) and kaplan Pharm for each block.
My question is; What else should I be doing to prep for boards.
I have Kaplan Q bank (never used it)
I got DIT (got a good deal on it, but I don't know how good/bad it is, anyone?)
I have RR+ Goljan audio's supplement pathoma
Pathoma
Kaplan vids/notes
FA 2012 (untouched, not a big fan bc it has all the facts but none are explained)
I just need guidance to see where I stand based on the right tract.
I hear about GT etc and just wonder if maybe DIT isn't such a good idea. I can still return it because I'm in the grace period. (Goal USMLE score is 245)
Aucdoctor, what did you think about the kaplan anatomy/history/embyro stuff?
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Hi Pathoma users. I've heard good things about your program, wondering if I went over Pathoma through the summer before M2 (before I take Path), if that would be a good idea.
I'm reading that Pathoma has a really good overview, and I figure if I use it before the course in a free month, I could have a good foundation. Thoughts?
Not a bad idea. Especially since you get it for a year when you purchase it, so you'll be able to use it for board study. In that case I'd wait just a bit so you can use it right up till the end of board study. I'm currently using it and I love it.Hi Pathoma users. I've heard good things about your program, wondering if I went over Pathoma through the summer before M2 (before I take Path), if that would be a good idea.
I'm reading that Pathoma has a really good overview, and I figure if I use it before the course in a free month, I could have a good foundation. Thoughts?
Hi Pathoma users. I've heard good things about your program, wondering if I went over Pathoma through the summer before M2 (before I take Path), if that would be a good idea.
I'm reading that Pathoma has a really good overview, and I figure if I use it before the course in a free month, I could have a good foundation. Thoughts?
How do you guys use Pathoma + RR? Do you read RR first then watch Pathoma videos, or do you watch the videos and THEN read RR?
Is the Pathoma textbook useful? I might be using it for my 2nd or 3rd pass on systems, but I'm not entirely sure it'll be better than RR, what do you think?
How do you guys use Pathoma + RR? Do you read RR first then watch Pathoma videos, or do you watch the videos and THEN read RR?
Is the Pathoma textbook useful? I might be using it for my 2nd or 3rd pass on systems, but I'm not entirely sure it'll be better than RR, what do you think?
I disagree. You'll forget it. I found Pathoma much more useful to use as I went along with my courses. A lot of the videos can be watched in 8-15 minutes on specific topics and I'd just watch them before attending the related medical school lecture. Made them easier to understand.
Thank you! Someone on this forum is normal. Please do not start studying year 2 things, especially pathology during your only time off in med school. Pathoma is great to get a general over view but that is what you can pick up pretty quickly using pathoma when you are actually learning the material in school. Details will be forgotten. I feel like almost everyone on this thread sound like they are in a Pathoma cult. It's a good book to get concepts that can be a bit confusing and to get some high yield points in pathology on Step 1 but geez it is not that amazing...
My advice to the 1st year which I wish I had done is to review things you already learned in FA. Annotate biochem/embryo and such in First Aid while it is still fresh and then transfer it over when you get the new first aid. Do not waste time pre-reading for the year of material you haven't had yet.
I'm terrible at Path. Failed the test on cardiovascular/lungs. Almost failed test on Leukemia/kidneys/skin.
Is Pathoma adequate for learning the material or do I need to spend more time with class notes/Robbins beforehand?
I know this may have been asked but wanted to find out anyways. Do you guys think using Pathoma alone enough for Step 1 studying or should I also incorporate RR Goljan along with Pathoma. I see some people just use either or both together but RR is veryyyyy long and detailed so I don't want to be missing stuff. Does Pathoma cover everything that is needed for Step 1?? I heard RR is too detailed and might be way too overwhelming?? Any thoughts???
Personally, I dont think Pathoma alone is sufficient. It covers all the super high-yield material but doesnt contain the mid-yield stuff thats in RR. Pathoma covers almost everything there is in FA. You may need to review a few things in RR once your done with Pathoma but its not much.
I know this may have been asked but wanted to find out anyways. Do you guys think using Pathoma alone enough for Step 1 studying or should I also incorporate RR Goljan along with Pathoma. I see some people just use either or both together but RR is veryyyyy long and detailed so I don't want to be missing stuff. Does Pathoma cover everything that is needed for Step 1?? I heard RR is too detailed and might be way too overwhelming?? Any thoughts???
Do both. Pathoma first and RR second. I think pathoma is really good for understanding and categorizing but sometimes he skips a lot of details to keep it high yield. Add on RR to get the complete experience. RR is great once you have the basics from pathoma down. Not that intimidating either. Plus it helps review biochem, micro, etc. People say they can get that elsewhere but it's best served in context IMO.
Exactly! Do Pathoma to help you understand the high yield concepts. Then use these high yield concepts to study your course work. Then use all that knowledge to see all the trees of the forest, both high-yield trees and other mid-yield trees by using RR. Then go to FA and you will see how every word in there has a lot more meaning than is written - and that is what you must know... how you decide to get there is up to you.
So I end up losing points on utter nonsense and the step2 relevant stuff that the professors who took their boards in the Carter administration just think you should know as if you're about to making crucial patient management decisions on transplant patients tommorrow.
If--by the odd chance--that you like vaginas and keeping a man's body instead of a human jellyfish. Or that you have no trouble occupying your mind with--god forbid--no medical things. Then. These materials can be drunk down straight. No chaser.
just ordered this and started on it today. Did chapter 4, loved it, watched the video and annotated as i went along. went to watch video for chapter 5 and its running like garbage. download cant keep up with the video, so its having to stop every 10 seconds.... basically making it unusable. if i pop over to youtube I'm instantly downloading at 500kbps and videos run great, so the problem seems to be their servers. not to mention when i first started the video, it just hang for about 5 minutes and then started at a slow speed, making me feel like their servers are having trouble.
anyone else had any trouble with the servers? and is this a common problem? is it something on my end? 3 months till step 1 and i cant really afford to waste time with technical problems like this.