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Anyone have any idea which one of these is the worst in terms of training/fellowship/job? Im trying to cancel one
cancel downstate - i interviewed it was awful for a variety of reasons.Anyone have any idea which one of these is the worst in terms of training/fellowship/job? Im trying to cancel one
cancel downstate - i interviewed it was awful for a variety of reasons.
the other three are decent, with penn state being outstanding (IMO)
I didn't like downstate when I interviewed with them last year either, but they had great fellowship placement actually. I was surprisedWhat didnt u like about downstate?
What didnt u like about downstate?
What didnt u like about downstate?
work hours, numbers of calls per months, number of weekends per month, several different equally crappy hospitals, seems like dept is very strapped for money and cheap labor and treats residents as such. the advantages are that it is a major academic center with good training in the end, but i didnt think it would be a pleasant experience and i wasnt too into living in brooklyn and working in that area.
actually downstate was the one i didn't want to cancel. i was thinking about penn state/stony lol.. ironic
Cool, why's that? Penn state and Stony both would seem great to me though. Don't know much about downstate unfortunately.
I interviewed at Stony Brook last year. Overall I liked it. Seemed like a strong program in many areas as it is the major academic center that far in Long Island. Solid pay and benefits. Major con for me was location (a little far from the city and I was afraid location would be a bit dull) At the time they had an interim chair.
I don't remember exactly to be honest but it didn't strike me as particularly weak or anything. Maybe even some big names in there as well.how was their fellowship match list ?
Don't go to SUNY Downstate. Probably the worst by far. If you do a search about the program here and at scutwork, everything negative you read about it is true. Very little has changed over the years, and after the closure of LICH last year and the sudden transition to Lutheran Medical Center, the program has gotten worse.
Except for King's County. After information was publicly posted about how horrible and degrading this program is, County actually changed, likely because County attendings are hospital employees and completely independent from the rest in the program (a single-owner private group with an army of miserable/despicable supervisory attendings and residents as cheap labor in which everything revolves around money). As such, these are the only attendings in the entire program that are capable of doing cases 100% on their own because they actually do work alone sometimes, whereas all the other attendings at Lutheran and University can barely put in IVs, access the Pyxis machine, or locate a laryngoscope. King's County has the best cases (trauma, neuro, liver, peds, thoracic on really sick patients) from which to learn. The attendings changed their attitude and though CA1 year is still rough, as you get more senior you are treated with more trust and respect. They also fight against horrific nurses and ancillary staff so you don't have to. You learn to work as a team, and CA3 year as a leader in preparation for becoming an attending.
East Brooklyn is disgusting. The nearby subway station and streets smell like urine. There's trash/garbage everywhere. During the winter, the sidewalks are barely shoveled or salted. There's broken glass everywhere from broken windows of cars that were vandalized and robbed the nights before. Several residents have gotten their cars broken into overnight while on call. Recently, a resident was robbed in daylight on the way in to work. We get regular emails about students/residents/faculty getting robbed and to be careful. Also, random people walking down the street spit all the time, so there's loggies everywhere, but maybe it's a NYC thing.
How do you know everything to be true? Were you a resident there?Don't go to SUNY Downstate. Probably the worst by far. If you do a search about the program here and at scutwork, everything negative you read about it is true. Very little has changed over the years, and after the closure of LICH last year and the sudden transition to Lutheran Medical Center, the program has gotten worse.
Except for King's County. After information was publicly posted about how horrible and degrading this program is, County actually changed, likely because County attendings are hospital employees and completely independent from the rest in the program (a single-owner private group with an army of miserable/despicable supervisory attendings and residents as cheap labor in which everything revolves around money). As such, these are the only attendings in the entire program that are capable of doing cases 100% on their own because they actually do work alone sometimes, whereas all the other attendings at Lutheran and University can barely put in IVs, access the Pyxis machine, or locate a laryngoscope. King's County has the best cases (trauma, neuro, liver, peds, thoracic on really sick patients) from which to learn. The attendings changed their attitude and though CA1 year is still rough, as you get more senior you are treated with more trust and respect. They also fight against horrific nurses and ancillary staff so you don't have to. You learn to work as a team, and CA3 year as a leader in preparation for becoming an attending.
East Brooklyn is disgusting. The nearby subway station and streets smell like urine. There's trash/garbage everywhere. During the winter, the sidewalks are barely shoveled or salted. There's broken glass everywhere from broken windows of cars that were vandalized and robbed the nights before. Several residents have gotten their cars broken into overnight while on call. Recently, a resident was robbed in daylight on the way in to work. We get regular emails about students/residents/faculty getting robbed and to be careful. Also, random people walking down the street spit all the time, so there's loggies everywhere, but maybe it's a NYC thing.
I have a buddy who's an MS4 at downstate now and is doing gas, and didn't even apply to his own home program because it's so bad.
Not surprising. What person with half a brain would allow a computer algorithm to banish him/her to the Downstate dungeon for four years, to be subjected to the whims of a greedy soul-destroying private enterprise, to serve as a minion to downtrodden, lazy and/or incompetent attendings, to sleep in call rooms with roaches and roach motels lining the walls, to be trampled upon by the worst OR/PACU "nurses" to ever exist (most of them can't put in IVs, remove arterial lines, or spell anatomical words when labeling specimens to pathology), to be told repeatedly that he/she won't find a job in a competitive market or match to a fellowship, to be the subject of gossip/ridicule among attendings who talk **** about everyone including other attendings in the office with the door wide open so everyone can hear, to work in an OB department where the C-section rate is >50-66% because they diagnose non-reassuring fetal heart tracing every time the mom farts and C-sections typically last 2 hours, to be sent all over the city (East Brooklyn, Sunset Park, Bay Ridge, Midtown, Staten Island) scraping for cases, and seriously who wants to be on call and sleep in this toxic wasteland 6 nights per month for the entire time.Man, that's bad - if that's the reason.
Holy cow!Not surprising. What person with half a brain would allow a computer algorithm to banish him/her to the Downstate dungeon for four years, to be subjected to the whims of a greedy soul-destroying private enterprise, to serve as a minion to downtrodden, lazy and/or incompetent attendings, to sleep in call rooms with roaches and roach motels lining the walls, to be trampled upon by the worst OR/PACU "nurses" to ever exist (most of them can't put in IVs, remove arterial lines, or spell anatomical words when labeling specimens to pathology), to be told repeatedly that he/she won't find a job in a competitive market or match to a fellowship, to be the subject of gossip/ridicule among attendings who talk **** about everyone including other attendings in the office with the door wide open so everyone can hear, to work in an OB department where the C-section rate is >50-66% because they diagnose non-reassuring fetal heart tracing every time the mom farts and C-sections typically last 2 hours, to be sent all over the city (East Brooklyn, Sunset Park, Bay Ridge, Midtown, Staten Island) scraping for cases, and seriously who wants to be on call and sleep in this toxic wasteland 6 nights per month for the entire time.
Not surprising. What person with half a brain would allow a computer algorithm to banish him/her to the Downstate dungeon for four years, to be subjected to the whims of a greedy soul-destroying private enterprise, to serve as a minion to downtrodden, lazy and/or incompetent attendings, to sleep in call rooms with roaches and roach motels lining the walls, to be trampled upon by the worst OR/PACU "nurses" to ever exist (most of them can't put in IVs, remove arterial lines, or spell anatomical words when labeling specimens to pathology), to be told repeatedly that he/she won't find a job in a competitive market or match to a fellowship, to be the subject of gossip/ridicule among attendings who talk **** about everyone including other attendings in the office with the door wide open so everyone can hear, to work in an OB department where the C-section rate is >50-66% because they diagnose non-reassuring fetal heart tracing every time the mom farts and C-sections typically last 2 hours, to be sent all over the city (East Brooklyn, Sunset Park, Bay Ridge, Midtown, Staten Island) scraping for cases, and seriously who wants to be on call and sleep in this toxic wasteland 6 nights per month for the entire time.
What about stonybrook? Or north shore lij? Anyone interview there?
Thanks for the backup.I can't really argue with a lot of this points. You have to be tough minded and motivated to survive here (there's no coddling there).
Yeah so? This year's fellowship matches are also impressive (NYU, Einstein, UCLA, USC, Beth Israel, Sinai,etc). But running a residency program in a philosophical sense, or rather in all practicality a shrewd business as a malignant employer, with the slogan "the ends justify the means" is heinous and indefensible.Unfortunately, this is the reputation. However, much of the info about Downstate posted on here is simply NOT true. Downstate filled all of its spots in the 2014 match. Last year's residents matched into fellowships at Mt. Sinai, St. Lukes, Brigham and Women's, Cleveland Clinic, and NYU. One of the residents last year that did not go into fellowship was able to secure a $500K gig as head of the department at an institution in the Midwest. Downstate is not seen as competitive as the big 4 in NYC, but you can get to where you want to go if you match there.