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[Hulk Smash]

Many SDN members have echoed concerns regarding the movement to reorganize the primary care field and the role of mid-levels in general. So much so, that some organizational steps have been discussed and the conversation now warrants its own thread (previously discussed in the "Nurses are not Doctors" thread). Anyone interested in involvement on this particular issue, please join the discussion.

The thread title is for descriptive purposes only, is a working title, and does not represent any group in particular

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[Prodromo]

I'm in. We should get a private discussion going to detail the first steps we should take.

 

[tarheel1408]

I'm in

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

In

 

[elektroshok]

In

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[WhippleWhileWeWork]

I'm in. We should get a private discussion going to detail the first steps we should take.

I think @NickNaylor is working on a Facebook group and/or website. The FB group could be "secret" so only those in the group can see it. However we need some sort of screening process to keep the moles out.

 

[DocVapor]

In, but I swore off Facebook years ago, so I guess I can only be half in.

 

[tantacles]

I think @NickNaylor is working on a Facebook group and/or website. The FB group could be "secret" so only those in the group can see it. However we need some sort of screening process to keep the moles out.

If you want to keep moles out, SDN certainly isn't the best place to advertise.

 

[NickNaylor]

I created a secret group for initial discussion. If you're interested in joining, shoot me a PM with a link to your Facebook and I'll invite you to the group.

I will not identify you in the group by your SDN username to keep your two identities separate. All I can offer is my reassurance that your privacy will be protected. I have no interest in any shenanigans related to "exposing you."


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[WhippleWhileWeWork]

If you want to keep moles out, SDN certainly isn't the best place to advertise.

Yeah we need to figure out how to screen when people enter the Facebook group.

Maybe some evidence on that person's page that they are in or have completed a medical school education?

Pic of acceptance letter for Ms-0s ?

 

[Ost3oclast]

I'm in as well.

 

[Nasrudin]

I never thought to see such noble seeds of brotherhood here, but long has its time been due.

 

[Gifted Hands]

In

 

[oncology2020]

Many SDN members have echoed concerns regarding the movement to reorganize the primary care field and the role of mid-levels in general. So much so, that some organizational steps have been discussed and the conversation now warrants its own thread (previously discussed in the "Nurses are not Doctors" thread). Anyone interested in involvement on this particular issue, please join the discussion.

The thread title is for descriptive purposes only, is a working title, and does not represent any group in particular

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in addition to mid-level encroachment..throw in the biased and highly sensationalized campaign against physicians and their salaries..goal should be to educate the public of the truth..educate them on the role of each stakeholder in providing health: government, for-profit insurance, pharma, medical devices, doctors, nurses, PAs, pharmacists, dentists, etc. and that giving government and for-profit insurance too much power will only hurt them because they're not going to make decisions with the interests of the patient in mind..educate the masses on the role of nurses and NPs and their training..our field is being attacked on several fronts, we need to be pro-active to change the public perception of physicians

if you are all serious in getting involved, we will need to eventually incorporate this organization to legally protect ourselves

 

[touchpause13]

Inn

 

[chajjohnson]

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[WhippleWhileWeWork]

 

[Hulk Smash]

I agree in that respect for the role mid levels exist to fill is important. I think @Nidor 's post in the "Nurses are not Doctors" thread says it very well

 

[Nidor]

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[Mad Jack]

I never thought to see such noble seeds of brotherhood here, but long has its time been due.

Nas, always beatin' me to the good stuff.

I'm in.

 

[Mad Jack]

However we need some sort of screening process to keep the moles out.

Maybe we can bring @DermViser on board to check them for malignancy?

 

[DocVapor]

Thanks Hulk Smash, naturally me joining any of this would undermine the credibility of this amazing initiative. I have had the opportunity to do similar things in my own country and am always a firm supporter of students stepping up to help form the field they will be working in. So if I can ever help in any capacity, let me know.

I'm not sure why your participation would undermine the initiative. Your post in the other thread was good save for a few minor issues I had with it (mainly over-praising nurses for their altruism, because they get just as jaded as physicians). Not being American shouldn't preclude you from discussion, especially if you have important points.

 

[DocVapor]

Maybe we can bring @DermViser on board to check them for malignancy?

Be sure to use proper medical terminology when you give report. They are nevi.

Also, a couple of med students vs. AANP reminds me of this:

 

[Mad Jack]

Be sure to use proper medical terminology when you give report. They are nevi.

Also, a couple of med students vs. AANP reminds me of this:

If we're describing it like a fight scene, I'd probably go more along the lines of

Except we're totally losing in the end.

 

[Cytarabine]

In terms of a group name, I liked Physicians for Patient Safety. I would avoid using a name that is exclusive or otherwise suggests that it does not include actively practicing physicians. It's easy to write off regardless of the validity of the message.

Plus, pps.org is unregistered and available.


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I like Physicians for Quality Care. A key element of the NP vs physician argument is cost effective care. I could train a high schooler to provide safe primary care - you see a patient, you refer them to a physician. Another key aspect is extending access to primary care, and the subsequent career trajectories of NP's would be an important aspect to highlight as well

I created a secret group for initial discussion. If you're interested in joining, shoot me a PM with a link to your Facebook and I'll invite you to the group.

I will not identify you in the group by your SDN username to keep your two identities separate. All I can offer is my reassurance that your privacy will be protected. I have no interest in any shenanigans related to "exposing you."


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I'm not sure how the facebook dialogues work, but I think it would be important to keep such discussion in private to allow open discourse until whatever message is ultimately delivered is developed thoroughly. With that in mind, you may also want to verify status beyond what facebook provides, at least for posters without a substantial history on SDN. This account is relatively new, but I've been a fairly active poster under another name for the past several years. I know you've been around and a helpful member for some time, and I'd feel comfortable PM'ing you a photo of my school ID for example.

 

[Prodromo]

Please let us know when facebook invites get sent out so we can make sure we're in the group.

 

[sdbeachsun]

I'm in!

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

Except we're totally losing in the end.

We don't need to win, we just need to stop losing.

 

[DermViser]

Maybe we can bring @DermViser on board to check them for malignancy?

Too bad we can't fully excise them like we can dysplastic nevi.

 

[DermViser]

We don't need to win, we just need to stop losing.

BINGO.

 

[Mad Jack]

We don't need to win, we just need to stop losing.

True.

Hey, possible talking point.

Sure, we could fill the primary care gaps and other gaps in care with NPs and PAs, and have lesser-trained individuals providing care in undesirable areas. But doesn't everyone deserve top quality care, rather than the two-tiered care created by having NPs and PAs working in places physicians currently do not? I mean, supporting independent practice for midlevels is basically supporting the creation of a second-class system of health care.

 

[Nidor]

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[WhippleWhileWeWork]

True.

Hey, possible talking point.

Sure, we could fill the primary care gaps and other gaps in care with NPs and PAs, and have lesser-trained individuals providing care in undesirable areas. But doesn't everyone deserve top quality care, rather than the two-tiered care created by having NPs and PAs working in places physicians currently do not? I mean, supporting independent practice for midlevels is basically supporting the creation of a second-class system of health care.

Save it for the facebook group. The more we divulge here, the faster and better their rebuttals will be.

 

[Cytarabine]

True.

Hey, possible talking point.

Sure, we could fill the primary care gaps and other gaps in care with NPs and PAs, and have lesser-trained individuals providing care in undesirable areas. But doesn't everyone deserve top quality care, rather than the two-tiered care created by having NPs and PAs working in places physicians currently do not? I mean, supporting independent practice for midlevels is basically supporting the creation of a second-class system of health care.

I have issues with it, but it works as rhetoric

 

[Mad Jack]

I have issues with it, but it works as rhetoric

I have issues with it too, but it's just a thought. I'll save elaboration for the FB group I guess.

 

[Nasrudin]

Be sure to use proper medical terminology when you give report. They are nevi.

Also, a couple of med students vs. AANP reminds me of this:

We need to put away these stupid white coats and don the black ones with shades straight away.

 

[deleted128562]

I'm in.

 

[Mad Jack]

We need to put away these stupid white coats and don the black ones with shades straight away.

Doctors wore black coats up until the late 1800s. We'd be like physician hipsters.

 

[WhippleWhileWeWork]

In, but I swore off Facebook years ago, so I guess I can only be half in.

Maybe we can use google docs for official "works" and that way the non-facebookers aren't left out. We certainly want and need all of your inputs and talents.

 

[NickNaylor]

Anyone that PM'd should've received a response with instructions on joining the group.

For those leery about linking their Facebook with their SDN username, send me a message. I had to change things to invite people to the group, so I can simply give you the link if you shoot me a message. You do NOT have to send me a link to your Facebook profile or your name. However, in the interests of attempting to maintain some kind of anonymity, I'm not going to post the link here (which would allow you to request to join it). Just send me a message. I've received enough messages at this point that I have no way to link your PM requesting the group link to you actually requesting to join the group. If you're really paranoid, wait a random amount of time of your choosing prior to requesting to join the group.

To minimize trolls and other undesireables, the SDN account you message me with must have more than 100 posts OR be more than 3 months old. Yes, this is arbitrary.

Thanks for the interest. Who knows - maybe we just might get something done.

 

[Nasrudin]

Anyone that PM'd should've received a response with instructions on joining the group.

For those leery about linking their Facebook with their SDN username, send me a message. I had to change things to invite people to the group, so I can simply give you the link if you shoot me a message. You do NOT have to send me a link to your Facebook profile or your name. However, in the interests of attempting to maintain some kind of anonymity, I'm not going to post the link here (which would allow you to request to join it). Just send me a message. I've received enough messages at this point that I have no way to link your PM requesting the group link to you actually requesting to join the group. If you're really paranoid, wait a random amount of time of your choosing prior to requesting to join the group.

To minimize trolls and other undesireables, the SDN account you message me with must have more than 100 posts OR be more than 3 months old. Yes, this is arbitrary.

Thanks for the interest. Who knows - maybe we just might get something done.

Well done sir.

 

[boogaloo]

Anyone that PM'd should've received a response with instructions on joining the group.

For those leery about linking their Facebook with their SDN username, send me a message. I had to change things to invite people to the group, so I can simply give you the link if you shoot me a message. You do NOT have to send me a link to your Facebook profile or your name. However, in the interests of attempting to maintain some kind of anonymity, I'm not going to post the link here (which would allow you to request to join it). Just send me a message. I've received enough messages at this point that I have no way to link your PM requesting the group link to you actually requesting to join the group. If you're really paranoid, wait a random amount of time of your choosing prior to requesting to join the group.

To minimize trolls and other undesireables, the SDN account you message me with must have more than 100 posts OR be more than 3 months old. Yes, this is arbitrary.

Thanks for the interest. Who knows - maybe we just might get something done.

I think this is a good first step towards doing something. Good job, man. I've been on SDN long enough to know you were a pre-med god before you changed your username.

 

[@JackShephard]

This is interesting.

Your rivals will be the government, hospital corporations and CEOs, and anyone else who profits off of medicine. I think this will be tough.

At least you guys aren't taking it lying down.

 

[Brain Bucket]

From those without FB, good luck! It would be amazing if this evolves into something.

 

[primadonna22274]

I'm interested but really depends on the agenda. I'm not one bit interested in bashing PAs and NPs. I've been a practicing PA and PA educator for more than a decade before returning to med school and I fully intend to continue teaching and mentoring PAs. I believe in PAs and have some ideas for overhauling medical education in general but name-calling and blame shifting isn't my thing. At the moment I can't figure out how to link my FB page on my iPhone though so I will wait it out

 

[Brain Bucket]

I'm interested but really depends on the agenda. I'm not one bit interested in bashing PAs and NPs. I've been a practicing PA and PA educator for more than a decade before returning to med school and I fully intend to continue teaching and mentoring PAs. I believe in PAs and have some ideas for overhauling medical education in general but name-calling and blame shifting isn't my thing. At the moment I can't figure out how to link my FB page on my iPhone though so I will wait it out

I'm torn because you provide so much material...

edit: I meant humorous material.

 

[Prodromo]

I'm interested but really depends on the agenda. I'm not one bit interested in bashing PAs and NPs. I've been a practicing PA and PA educator for more than a decade before returning to med school and I fully intend to continue teaching and mentoring PAs. I believe in PAs and have some ideas for overhauling medical education in general but name-calling and blame shifting isn't my thing. At the moment I can't figure out how to link my FB page on my iPhone though so I will wait it out

If we resort to name calling and blame shifting we will have already failed. I hope that we can provide positive discourse and legitimate data that enforces our opinions to the public

 

[BurghStudent]

Nurses are not our enemies, and PAs are basically our brothers. To know them well, we have to create a dialogue. Would it be worth attracting nurses and PAs that agree with us? Because they do exist, and their perspective would be amazing.

 

[Gifted Hands]

Nurses are not our enemies, and PAs are basically our brothers. To know them well, we have to create a dialogue. Would it be worth attracting nurses and PAs that agree with us? Because they do exist, and their perspective would be amazing.

Absolutely. We need voices from all sectors of healthcare, otherwise it's just physicians whining about lost jobs and egos

 

[didymus]

Not a future physician myself (future PA actually), but I just wanted to express my support for all of you. I feel like I'm witnessing the start of something big, and it's kind of amazing to think history is being made here.

Godspeed!