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Discussion in 'Pre-Medical Allopathic [ MD ]' started by freedomist, 05.02.12.

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  1. FutureCTDoc

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    I agree, what matters is competence. If the doctors is kind it's wonderful and most are, but I care far more about technical ability than whether I feel appreciated. I definitely agree about unreimbursed care.
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    Lmao not at all, am very grateful for the one who cared so much, but had all of them cared initially I would have saved myself a lot of suffering
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    you are still not indicating anything that shows that "care" was the determining factor. :rolleyes:
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    I have to disagree because there are rare conditions that require a lot of passion and compassion for the doctor to go the extra mile and help, medicine is not an end in itself, because you can never be done, only the ones who genuinely care are able to provide the best care especially in extreme and difficult cases
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    No it doesn't require passion and compassion, you need a diagnosis and a treatment.
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    the "extra mile" is a lot shorter than you may think. It will have much more to do with exposure and experience of the physician than compassion. There is no reason the one who finally helped you wasnt a jaded A-hole who just happened to know what the symptoms meant. Was s/he a specialist of some sort?
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    depends on the field I'd imagine.
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    You could treat empirically I suppose.
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    You don't have to be compassionate in order to "go the extra mile." Many great discoveries have been made on various factors; such as serendipity, quest for fame, and human curiosity.
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    Alright that doctor was just amazingly competent, compassionate, and caring. After all i had been through, he was like a hero to me. I was already very desperate when I met him. He was so interested in everything I do , and I believe doctors need to care that much to get information that could turn out to be very crucial. He talked to me as a friend, he went the extra mile to get as much information about my interests and was so nice. Before he even went further, just his compassion made me feel better. That compassion added to his competence made my experience so memorable. He got to the roots of my condition with so much sympathy and compassion. I wish all doctors could do the same.
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    You do realize that rare conditions are...not seen often, right? And it's therefore no surprise that they didn't nail the diagnosis the first time or even the first dozen times?
  12. FutureCTDoc

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    You do recognize competency is all that matters right?
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    Ты из Советского Союза?
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    I wish I could speak Russian. :(
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    nobody is knocking you for being thrilled about a cure. I would bet good money that your recollection of that time is colored by the outcome, and the fact that you were younger (assumed because your mom was taking you around) would also factor in to your recollection.

    Did your interests play into the diagnosis?

    So... you were healed by placebo?

    Aside from the crazy parts, your story is well..... nice? :thumbup: but your own personal elation in the matter does not mean that where you are taking compassion is necessarily true. You can believe it if you want... people also believe that alien dust makes them feel bad (assuming that southpark episode was accurate...) that doesnt make it either true or rational.
  16. FutureCTDoc

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    не
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    Teacher?I don't want to hear whiny annoying parents crying that their kid is stupid
    Nanny? I don't want to hear whiny annoying parents crying that their kid is on fire
    Farmer? I'd rather play Harvest Moon
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    What on earth does any of this mean? I understand that a compassionate doctor gives the warm and fuzzies, but I mean honestly, did your interests really have anything to do with your condition?

    The thing you have to understand is that physicians don't want to rush through and spend 10 mins talking with their patients then the next hour writing notes, dealing with paper work, screaming with insurance companies to cover a patient, and a million other things most people can't imagine. I promise you ever single doctor would love to spend an hour talking with you about your life, dreams, and aspirations opposed to that other crap. They cannot though. The system is set up so they see as many people as they can and help them as quickly and efficiently as possible. If your problems were that dependent on someone listening to you, then you should have gone to a psychiatrist who will give you that dedicated time.
  19. FutureCTDoc

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    I hope freedomist is a troll if not...
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    False

    Agreed. It's the same B.S. line as "give 110%" You literally, be definition, cannot have 110% of a maximum amount of anything. If you give 110%, then ... you weren't giving 100% before, and now with that extra effort you're just giving 100%. It reminds of my Halo 3 days ... when we were losing my friend would always say, "Okay, NOW I'll start trying." Compassion won't (well, shouldn't) enhance the performance of a doctor. If a doctor isn't doing her best job, it's not compassion she needs -- it's better focus, more intensity, more sleep, etc. If a doc is "compassionate" and thinks she's doing better work, then she was just being lazy before.
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    Let's give this guy a break, perhaps he needs more :love: in his life.
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    The farmers I know make more than most PCPs ... it can be quite lucrative. My old roomie's dad was a rancher and, conveniently, they also had oil on their land ... this kid got a $5K / mo allowance from his trust fund to blow on whatever he wanted. I was so freaking jelly.
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    also compassion is not universal. Nobody cares equally for everybody. so if performance is correlated to compassion per patient.... well that makes for a crappy doctor. A good doctor will give 110% er..... umm.... will give the same level of work and competence regardless of personal feelings for the patient. There is no "extra mile" in medicine.
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    eh.... the LAND OWNERS make plenty of money. but farming is not that lucritive. The ones who farm who make money are the ones who sold the land to retire ;)
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    5K a month! Damn. I am jelly as well

    He could get the most decked out horse with that kinda cash :cool:

    Living on a farm would be pretty cool to experience though.
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    Quest of Compassionate Doctor

    1.:D
    2:)
    3. :scared:
    4. :eek:
    5. :oops:
    6.:(
    7.:mad:

    Years later...:smuggrin:
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    ?? They own the land ... they make bank. Farming, ranching, oil/gas ==> big money (not always, but sometimes). At least here in the Midwest. People shopping for new $800,000+ farm equipment every year. It's pretty crazy. My family has ~600 acres but it's not good farming land, just a place to build a little getaway cabin someday. :thumbup:
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    not all farmers own the land they farm. a good many do, but the business of farming is not what makes the money. There is also a high monetary turnover so margins are usually pretty tight even though they are shelling out for crazy expensive equipment. The oil/gas thing is a little different and not really a midwestern "crop" ;) I'm also from the midwest and basically my entire family was in dairy or crop farming. My parents are the only ones in their generation to not still farm.
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    Liquid gold brah :) We just have...pine trees. Lots of pine trees.
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    OP, I am really curious about your disease... what kind of specialist did you see?
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    This thread was full of lulz. And specter, fabulous performance as usual :)

    NO WAY! There are others?!

    :eek:

    здарова ребята !!
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    Finals coming up and my brain requires reasons to rebel and procrastinate :laugh: come summer I may disappear lol
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    Lmao, I am in a similar boat with all of the finals. As you know, I am a big fan of yours ;)

    And, at least one of us is going to have a life this summer. :rolleyes:
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    привет! :)
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    Aw man! I am super excited now! I think for the sake of rules we shouldn't speak another language, cause you know, Uncle Sam is still paranoid of The Kremlin and whatnot, but its good too see some Russian peeps on here. I always wanted to find a Russian attending on SDN, and ask him what his opinion of Russian medical education is vs. American. My Russian pediatrician managed to persuade me that he doesn't know anything; plus I've had much better experiences with American educated internists. ... sorry for the rant.
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    I'm too brain fried with physio to keep everyone straight on the boards, but I am pretty sure this is sarcasm :idea:
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    Lmao, clearly your brain is not THAT fried, after all ,you are hustling another compliment out of me. Lol, no, that is certainly not sarcasm. You along a few others here (stumpyman, lizzy, catalystic, mmmcdowe, law2doc etc...) are awesome contributors with fantastic advice. A reservoir of wisdom, so to speak.

    I felt like this was an appropriate moment to express some of the love, since lately there have been a bunch of a**holes (;)) trolling around starting ridiculous threads and stating ridiculous assumptions. :rolleyes:
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    Lol, We are the minority. [lower Iron Curtain];)
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    http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3p3ky3/

    its late and it is hard to keep track of who I scuffle with around here :laugh: but I do appreciate it when people see that (under the sarcasm) my aim is to help out.
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    Lol at the meme. I assure you, I am on the lower end of the troll spectrum, so I don't think we would have that problem.

    Haha, I totally understand. To keep things in context with the post though, I suspect that the OP won't be particularly fond of you once you become a physician if you have such a 'heartless' attitude when it comes to helping people. womp womp. :p
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    I think the OP is unable to distinguish compassion from competence so there is a solid chance I could cure him and amputate his leg for fun (competently....) and still have him singing my praises lol
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    I do not accept your apology becuase it was done with post-tense. Meaning that you are apologize only if you offended me. You should apologize because your generalizations are inaccurate and out of line and out of control.

    There's nothing wrong with a doctor who's in it for the money (after all, it's a business, not a probono office), as long he treats well. And he doesn't need to be nice. There is too much political correctness. He can be mean and still treat well.

    http://www.mizozo.com/weird/11/2009/23/eye-doctor-under-fire-for-calling-his-patient-fat.html

    I expect a retraction of your original half apology and provide me with a new honest full apology. Thank you.
    You think this is cute?? I guess you really dont care about engineers.:mad:
    I know many people missed this, but your post is not real. It is full of sarcasm. I am quite sharp at picking up your attempted wit.
    It's not? But I thought all doctors drive porsches and bang supermodels.

    I've been duped! If that's the case then why am I toiling long hours? To help people? OH THE HUMANITY. I could have just opened up a used car sales dealership or something.
    According to the OP, since you care, you must be a good doctor.

    EVERYONE: that's all that matters, Just care. Dont' worry about diagnosing or treating. JUST CARE.

    I CARE!
    Being a teacher is superduper awesome. Parents blame you if their kids are slow. Kid lie about you to their parents and say you're a bad teacher. Parents blame you if they fail an exam cause you aren't teaching well enough. All kids are smart and all kids deserve to be doctors. Everyone's offspring is god's gift to earth and all should get into ivy league schools.

    Yea, teaching sounds like a wonderful job.
    But there's no prestige in that. S/he wants the prestige of the MD and the MPH so s/he can spit on us from a "holier than you" pedestal.

    [​IMG]

    I can't see you, you're too high on that pedestal. Where did you go?
    Many? So why dont we just get rid of physicians, they're obviously not necessary. Just have nurses around.

    Sounds like a grand idea.
    That pedestal is growing taller everyday.
    Look, I've been in the business for years. I'm old enough to be your daddy. When you're in 2ndary school you think medicine is great!

    When you're in uni you think medicine is hard but still great!!

    When you're in medical uni you think medicine is reall hard but still okay and you're doing it for the right reasons (help others)!!!

    When you're in residency and training you think when the F am I getting that porsche?

    When you're in practice you think god i hate people, when can i pay off my loans and retire?
    It's gotten you far in MPH school.
    Basically, still a cuddly premed...
    Non-relevant post.
    Did you just name drop?
    I wonder if the OP is george costanza or captain ahab.
    Tell me about it...
    Bingo.
    Nowadays, even physicians are deteriorated down to regular people's levels because patients know more than you do, cause they have webmd special powers and the power of google search and google reviews to decimate you.
    Godwin's law reached;)

    All pre-meds want to do that.
    Caring doesnt cure cancer. If you had a psychiatric problem then I'd say placebo effect would be good but other things, you still need drugs and a diagnosis.

    Did you end up sleeping with your doctor? I'm not trying to be disrespectful or funny, it' s a serious question.
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    You just effectively analyzed the whole thread.:thumbup:
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    The point is that, they dont care, freedomist. It was striking to me too. Some want to be MDs, yes, with sencere devotion and love of the living. But American culture is so much encouraging "to win", and this "winning" is so much based on money+sex+prestige that, as long as the job is cool, gets them a lot of money and provides sex (because women want the same things: a cool guy with a cool job and earning cool money), the system gets completed!

    The education system in US is doing everything it can do, they demand a longer education, majoring in another field, try to make you see what exactly you want to be, extracurriculars, everything, but those kids make a slalom through all those prerequisites and get in a med school still without an MD heart.

    I need to see good examples a lot.
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    Cool story, OP.
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    If I'm lucky enough to get into medical school and become a doctor, I'll give it everything I've got while I'm "on the clock." When I'm off the clock I'll stop caring. You only live once. Life is too short to spend it worrying about everyone else all the time, so I'm living my life for me. We live in a society that favors individualism. Deal with it.
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    My approach is similar too.. to have a heart for your patients doesnt mean to be engaged to them all the time and not to have a life.

    But I say something else: I see too many guys that actually dont care humans in general. As long as something wrong doesnt touch them, they just dont care what happens to others. Thats a serious conflict.
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    I think you did even a better job with your smileys:)
    Wait a minute, not a sec or hour, but just a dang god dang minute there s0n.

    Bidi, can i call you bidi? After all, we know each other for a while now and I've stood up for you my cute lil bidi. So anyway before i digress you think only american culture is about money and sex? You're kidding me right bidi? Do you know how russian culture is? Do you know how indian culture is? Do you know how culture is in shanghai? Do you know culture in Seoul? Do you know culture in Montreal? do you know culture in London? Or rich arabic countries? Or brazil? Basically every culture is greedy, materialistic, and prestige is important, so let me help you off that pedestal (holds out hand) so you can step down and realize that the rest of the world is the same way. In fact, if anything, americans donate and give back more to the rest of the world (which i'm sure they pillaged from originally) than any other country. So dont tell me americans dont care. Americans care just as much as anyone else.

    Actually if any culture is naive to give time and money away it's sometimes americans, not immigrants. Immigrants will nickel dime patients (i've seen it, i've had to deal with immigrants) for even $100 while they are dying of an illness. I can't blame them, that's the brutality of life back home. This is why immigrants are such good business men, they can turn a dunkin donuts around and make huge profits while an american cant.

    Immigrants have great work ethic, but dont tell me they are more giving than americans. It's just not the reality of it.

    It just happens that when you have mass wealth, you get even more greedy. This is happening in developing cities in the southeast asia region as well, you see the american type of no regard for environment or meaningful things as they amass wealth. So it happens everywhere, not just here or there.

    I think Bidi, you should donate 25% of your income after you make money as a doctor. Do you think that is a good idea? I mean you can help a lot of people. Dont buy the porsche, buy a Toyota yaris and donate the rest.

    I look forward to your donation because i have asked obama for help.

    I am poor and I need help. I am grateful for people so caring like you bidi to help me. Please let me know and you can donate into my paypal account.

    Should have used a picture:D
    I know you say something else. But now hear me out Bidi friend, colleague.

    All humans are created equal. Are your parents always giving too bidi? or your uncle? or your auntie? Think about what I asked.

    Please report back to me immediately with agreement and understanding of human nature. Thank you for your cooperation.
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    Im really not sure why you are so bent out of shape over engineers (unless it is sarcasm... but if you stick to it long enough it is harder to tell.....) there are countless other jobs that were also not mentioned. Engineering is great and useful. So are a few dozen dozen other things not included in the OP's OP. Seems like an odd thing to focus on in light of the overall lunacy of the post(s). Its kinda like someone borrowing your car and totaling it and you getting really pissed off that they didnt return it with a full tank. While technically true, it somewhat misses the point :confused:
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    Parent accountability is an annoying relevance to the teacher career, yeah. But it's the planning and grading that scares me.
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