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PNWU-COM Discussion Thread 2011-2012

Discussion in 'Osteopathic School-Specific Discussions' started by ShyRem, Apr 24, 2011.

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    Gross. That's shady folk business. But I would like to know how you managed to see your classmate's applications..?
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    Sometimes it is truly being intentionally deceptive, but often it is not - especially regarding changing their minds about specialties. Most applicants grew up seeing their PCPs as children/young adults and didn't have much exposure to other specialties. During the med school application cycle, everyone just wants an acceptance and would be happy being a PCP in (insert podunk villa) if they could just get in. Once in med school, they learn about and work with specialists and realize that most specialties are not as difficult to attain as they previously thought. They see the benefits in terms of lifestyle and work-life balance and it understandably interests them. Most specialty training hospitals are in major cities so they don't even have the option of staying in the sticks - at least in the short term.

    In the end, if you take a group of people that say they want to be PCPs in rural, underserved regions, you are far more likely have that outcome than if you take a group of people that say they want to be specialists in big cities.
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    Very true. Once you've seen the other stuff even a little it's hard to not want to do it. I was merely poking fun at the current application style. I chose to shadow a rural primary care doctor instead of a cardiologist or anesthesiologist because my premed program gave the choice of those three. The big reason was that I knew I would be able to see them all later if I got in and the rural primary care doctor would really boost an application. Especially with a letter (which I also got). I would not call it shady at all to do this. Getting in and doing well is a competitive sport of sorts. Nothing wrong with a "pump fake" every now and then. You're right, if they didn't try for those who really wanted primary care then it would be even less of the class.

    I never saw any apps., but I have talked to nearly all of my classmates. We do socialize. It's amazing how fast surgery club grows. :)
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    Good luck to everyone who will be interviewing tomorrow. This is my first interview and I'm a little anxious about the MMI format. Any advice or words of encouragement? :scared:
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    The best advice for anyone taking the MMI is to try your best to relax, be professional and answer each question honestly with careful thought. Show them who you are as a person (integrity, wit, personality) to see if you are a good fit. GL
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    Hey all, got the notice that I was waitlisted :xf: This has probably been asked, but does anyone know how much the waitlist moves? Thanks!
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    I too was waitlisted, good luck! I am also wondering what info is available regarding waitlist logistics and movement. Someone mentioned that the top 20 spots are ranked. Is the ranking listed in the snail mail letter we waitlisters will get? Has anyone called the school and ask about the WL and gotten any good answers? Please share!
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    From my interview date, I vaguely remember that each year is different regarding the number of waitlisters getting acceptances. One year was only 13, another was 20 or so. I think they'll rank the top 25 or so once all interviews are done. Why don't you call Hope or LeAnn and ask?
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    I'm on the waitlist too, the snail mail letter just says that they will rank the waitlist in May and reconsider applications as needed. It doesn't say if they release the rankings, just that they will call if a spot opens up.
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    I am one of the waitlisters as well. I cannot recall from the interview, but does anyone know how many students are placed on the waitlist? I just don't want to be number 80 if they only invite the first 15-20. Also, how often can a person call for information without being labeled "that guy". I want to figure out how they rank the wailist (i.e., MCAT, GPA, filing of the application, etc.), but I don't want to labeled. Thanks!!!
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    I think they said they interview approximately 275 people for 75 seats. Assuming they extend 75 acceptances and waitlist everyone else that leaves around 200 on the waitlist. But remember alot of the waitlisters, especially those competetive enough to be ranked highly, may have other acceptances so just because they are on there doesn't mean they would even go to the school if given the chance.

    I doubt they will share how the list is ranked, its probably a combination of your application, stats, and how you performed at the interview.
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    Well, whatever the mechanism for ranking, I hope that I will be one of the lucky few who make it in. Come on May!!!!
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    Good points about the ranking and how highly ranked individuals are also more likely to accept elsewhere. However, I did just want to point out that they clearly stated during my interview that they would be sending out rejections as well. This just means there are not necessarily 200 people on the wait list.

    Good luck everyone!
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    Masochists. You sure you want to do surgery? LOL.
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    Alot of places say they send out rejections but if you look at it from a math standpoint that isn't likely. I'm sure a few blow the interview and get an outright rejection but If you only interview 275 people and need a class of 75 from that pool you can't afford to cut too many because you could very well end up running through the entire waitlist without filling the class. That would be bad for the school in alot of ways, mainly $$ and reputation. Imagine how embarassing it would be to have to call rejected applicants back in or put out a last minute plea for applications like the carribbean schools do?

    Anyway good luck to my fellow waitlisters, I hope that when the dust settles we all end up where we want to be.
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    I'm not sure which schools you're referring to, but this is really only true for less competitive schools. Premier schools may only got through a handful on their waitlist and are known to outright reject a fair percent of applicants post-interview.

    I know schools that have done this. A friend of mine was sent a rejected from UT-Houston and waitlisted at WashU. He ended up getting an acceptance call from UT-Houston toward the end of the cycle. They were half-way through the conversation before he realized it was not WashU. He was actually a little pissed, but took the spot anyway :D.
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    Congrats to everyone accepted to PNWU! I am excited for each of you and hope to get accepted when I apply next year.
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    you know, there is the PNWU email system...why not email the entire class of 2012 and 2013 and ask them directly?
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    Withdrew last week, good luck everyone!
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    Any particular reason? Just curious, another school?
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    I was accepted to Touro-NV, my #1. I have cousins, grandparents, and plenty of family in Las Vegas, and both my parents and my girlfriend's parents visit often as it's reasonably close.

    PNWU was nice and all, but Yakima is a less-than-ideal location for my partner and I, and the fact that you (pretty much) have to move again to one of their regional sites for years 3 and 4 was frustrating, too. The students seemed just a touch on the unenthusiastic side, although everyone was nice. Location played a huge part in my decision, as you can tell. I realized years 1 and 2 are roughly the same at most schools, but at this point, I think rotating through a school-affiliated hospital (Valley) in 3rd and 4th year is how I would learn best.
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    I was just informed the of 2016 at PNWU is nearly full and most of the remaining interviewees will need to be "stellar" candidates. As for what that means is anyone's guess as I frankly feel any candidate who walks in my room for an interview has a good chance...they got that far didn't they?
    It is up to the candidate to show their stuff..
    also be aware there can be extensive movement in the final list as candidate change thier plans due to various factors..wait list and final list changes right up to the day class starts on Aug 6
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    Could you shed some light on the difference between the wait list and the final list? This is the first time that I've heard the term "Final List". Thanks
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    As in, changes to the "final" class list.
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    Ah, duh! :idea: I thought it might have something to do with the ranking that happens in May etc. Thanks!
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    Ahhhh!!! The wait is killing me. I hope that I am not too far down on the ranked list. If so, I hope that they burn through the list quite extensively!!! :)
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    Oh me too! I can hardly wait until May! :scared:
    Im hoping for a top spot :luck: anyone know how many people were accepted of the list last year?
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    Hey, any news on how Match Day went? If I remember right, AOA in Feb and ACGME in March...? Im curious to see what residencies and where
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    The school likely will tell noone anything about match day. If anything they may add up all the "primary care" specialties (also counting all IM matches as "primary care" even though many will likely subspecialize in the future) to show how they are fulfilling their mission. However, I don't expect anything concrete to be released. Our class wasn't even told how we fared on step 1 or how the class ahead is doing on step 2. I had to look up this information in the accredidation proposal to COCA.

    But, for those who are curious, here is what I have found due to my own snooping. It is difficult to analyze as it doesnt specify who went in both matches, so it is really hard to figure out how many students are going to scramble (SOAP now). Perhaps some stats whiz can decipher it.

    http://www.natmatch.com/aoairp/schltot.htm
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    the only thing posted on the school website is this which if you scroll down shows how many matched in DO match and how many in military. no specifics...I know some who match and where in each but only because the students themselves have told me. I assume the school will publish something more specific as to how many in each specialty once the MD match occurs.
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    Statistical summary by college
    graduates matched non-match non-participants
    curr prev total total % total % total %

    pnwucom 71 0 71 39 54.9% 10 14.1% 22 31.0%
    rvucom 129 0 129 75 58.1% 16 12.4% 38 29.5%

    formatting didnt work on this, but what this says is that the two highest schools in the nation for percent matching via AOA were Rocky vista and PNWU. the lowest was UNTHSCTCOM at 16.5% matching in the AOA.
    the percentage at end are those choosing not to participate in the AOA match
    Non Match are those who participated in the match and did not match as of the date the data was posted. they may have elected to go on to MD match or may still be scrambling for a spot.
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    I'm going to be pulling myself off the waitlist on Monday so hopefully that bumps the rest of you up one spot. Good luck all!
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    Hope that means you got a spot! Jlaw!!!
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    Hey everyone,

    I’m worried that if I attend PNWU I’ll corner myself into primary care within an underserved community. I’ve volunteered a ton in primary care and am really interested in becoming a primary care physician but want to leave avenues like surgery open. When I was on campus it seemed like PNWU really encouraged students to pursue primary care. The Pacific Northwest needs primary care physicians and PNWU pushing this makes sense.

    I understand that the 2012 match list hasn’t been released and that it’s tough to gauge where students are matching. Also I know that matching into a residency is largely dependent upon the student and how they prepare. What I’m looking for is an honest opinion from current students or other pre-meds that have had the same questions already answered. I want to make sure that PNWU will train me to become a great physician in whatever specialty I choose, not only primary care.

    Do any current students feel that PCOM is offering sub-par rotations in specialties outside of primary care? PNWU could be focusing on securing quality primary care rotations while putting other specialties in the background?

    Do students feel that PNWU really resists their decision to not go into primary care?

    How do students feel their rotations match up relative to one another? For example maybe primary care and surgery are really good, while ER is lacking?

    Have any students talked with friends at other schools and found that PNWU is really lacking in a particular area?

    I’m also really curious to what makes PNWU great for you. I know that it’s in the northwest and is giving students the opportunity to practice there. This is the big pull for attending PNWU. In consideration of their curriculum, faculty, rotations, the week devoted to USLME preparation and ANYTHING else related to quality of education where do you feel PNWU exceeds or fails?

    I’m trying to decide between Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine and PNWU. I want to practice within the Pacific Northwest but if I was honest the quality of a schools education is much more important than its location. A better education = better residency = better doctor = freedom to move where I want (the Pacific Northwest). I would much rather attend PCOM, get a better residency, and then move to the Pacific Northwest with a quality education/residency behind me. In no way am I saying PCOM is better than PNWU, or that PNWU’s education is lacking. I just want to be sure that PNWU won’t limit me if I choose not to do primary care.

    I apologize this is so long, I’m about to make a HUGE decision and any feedback would be great. My entire family lives in Washington and they all want me back home for medical school
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    I would goto PCOM, it is more established and likely has more consistent quality of rotations for 3rd and 4th year. This is hugely important and pre-meds tend to not ask enough questions about the clinical years. I had a bloody nurse as my preceptor on 2 surgery rotations now and did not follow patients before or after surgery. Yes n=1, but the fact that the school is allowing this kind of nonsense should tell you something. You don't want that kind of ridiculousness when you are learning to be a physician. Furthermore, our didactics on fridays for 3rd year are a joke and there is no real plan on what topics to cover. It is a free-for-all.

    You can always come back here and practice in the future. PNWU really pushes primary care at the expense of pretty much everything else. We get weekly emails from our AOPTIC which is ALWAYS primary care and they rehash the exact same programs over and over ( i think there are 14 programs in our AOPTIC and we have gotten the same ones 3-4 times now....). I haven't seen a single email about an EM residency or surgical residency yet. I understand the schools mission is primary care, but seriously, the school doesn't seem to want to help those not pursuing primary care. Furthermore, they set the bar EXTREMELY low for passing. We now have to get 57% on shelf exams to pass...You want a school that has higher expectations than that.

    So, basically, if you got into PCOM, goto PCOM.




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    +1, always take the better school over location. If you go to PCOM and rock it then you can probably do some NW rotations and snag a residency out there so think of the couple years in Philly as a business trip.

    I like PNWU alot but its a new school and has its issues, or so its current students say. It has potential but I would take the sure thing in PCOM.

    PS I'm in a similar situation and following my own advice. I have the opportunity to go to a local school that I have reservations about but will be moving halfway across the country and leaving my family/friends to go to a school that I really loved and which has a much better rep. Its a couple years but it will effect the rest of your life so don't skimp.
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    Does anyone know when the last round of interviews will take place?
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    I have an interview scheduled for April 13. I also know they interviewed last week and have another interview scheduled for April 6.
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    Accepted last friday! (3/16) anyone else accepted from interview group 3/9? or recently at all?
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    .Few more questions about PNWU....
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    For site selection during third and fourth year how are students ranked? For example if a regional site is over-subscribed PNWU will hold interviews. Do these interviews take grades and possible COMPLEX / USMLE step 1 scores into consideration? .

    .Sylvanthus, you mentioned that your preceptor was a nurse for both surgery rotations and that you didn't have the opportunity to follow patients before or after surgery. If you knew what rotations were good or bad and you had done well at PNWU, are you given preference for a particular site you may want? Does anyone know what's taken into consideration during the interview?.

    .Can you hop between regional sites for different rotations? If you knew Portland had really good pediatrics, but you were assigned to tri-cities, could you choose to do your pediatric block in Portland, OR?.

    .The PNWU student clinical handbook mentions that it's possible to do required core rotations (3rd year) outside of PNWU regional sites. Does administration actually allow you to leave your regional site during 3rd year if you've found a good rotation elsewhere?.
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    How did the ACGME match end up? Did the school post anything about it?
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    Congrats! If you are on Facebook, look for our group, PNWU Class of 2016, and request to join! We've already started getting to know each other, received advice from upperclassmen, and discussed housing. :)
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    I can't answer your questions from a current student perspective, but from what I have experienced so far from interviews/acceptance/current students. For me they considered my extra-curriculars and post-college resume heavily. Also, a current student told me there are only a couple spots in Portland so don't expect that too much. Sorry I don't have more answers, but hope this helps at least a little.
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    Nope not a thing. Ive seen match lists for multiple DO and MD schools, but not my own schools......ahh well par for the course.
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    Things are always changing, so I can just tell you about my experience below.

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    This is not a good sign. As an applicant/acceptee, I would take a firm stand on this and make sure that every 4th year has secured a residency/internship. Attending medical school is absolutely worthless without a successful match.

    Can any 4th years comment (subjectively) on the match outcome?
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    I have emailed our SGA and the SGA for the 2nd years already about this in an attempt to follow the correct chain of command and not piss anyone off. But, haven't heard anything from SGA yet either. Yay for communication! My class as a whole has become complacent, think most people just want to graduate and get out at this point in time. Course, would be nice if we got a residency.

    Btw, I don't think any 4th years frequent the board or at least don't post.
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    I have been told there are 6 Portland spots and I think one in Hermiston. It looks like this year all of Portland filled up, but I haven't talked to anyone who wanted Portland and didn't get it.
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    Here are some match results we were emailed today. I just wanted to quell the anxiety a bit. I'm sure the school will post an official list somewhere, at some point.

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