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I did the 4-year HPSP scholarship through the Navy and did a psych residency. I think the training was top notch. The standard of care was better than in the civilian world a lot of times. It made me a better person and taught me good leadership skills. I also worked with Marines which was a once in a lifetime opportunity.
At the same time, it was difficult at times both professionally and personaly. I don't agree at all with your comment about the nurse administrators. That's B.S.
Nurse admins. They're like those banal demons in the Screwtape Letters. I swear to God, I've gotten emails that sound exactly like they were taken from one of those chapters.
To the OP: You write like a giddy 14 year old girl. You are purporting to be a male physician who has at least completed internship, and yet your diction, punctuation, and the fact that your font is different from the normal style (indicating you're copy/pasting from Word) makes me think that you're an enlisted teenager in a recruitment office somewhere cribbing post material from brochures and blogs.
We all know that people who need to gripe/complain . . . . military that they can look forward to, we might get more docs and fill the scholarships which leads to more interns and happier residents and staff.
Please post your good experiences!
To the OP: You write like a giddy 14 year old girl. You are purporting to be a male physician who has at least completed internship, and yet your diction, punctuation, and the fact that your font is different from the normal style (indicating you're copy/pasting from Word) makes me think that you're an enlisted teenager in a recruitment office somewhere cribbing post material from brochures and blogs.
We all know that people who need to gripe/complain seek out a forum to do so and that people who are content and happy usually don't. I think that it is great that you all who have experience with military medicine offer insight to those who have questions. That being said it is time that we take the time to talk about the good aspects. I have looked at this forum on and off for years and it is always the same stuff when it comes to complaints.
Any of you who are considering an HPSP scholarship or joining the MC if the thought of a deployment doesn't scare the crap out of you it can be an incredible experience. No matter where we go physicians are complaining civilian or military.
I for one was expecting to be one of the complainers as I joined for the wrong reasons (money) I didn't want the big loans and I was married and wanted to afford to start a family and have enough money to let my wife be a stay at home (that is what she always wanted, though she is educated and made us a comfortable living during med school) we had our first less than 3 months into internship. There are so many posts about how much money you can make on the outside, for those of us who have families if you haven't figured it out already I would rather earn 20,000 a year and be able to spend time with my family than earn 1,000,000 and not. The HPSP scholarship and Navy Medicine has allowed me to not only live Very!! Comfortably!!
but I got to start living like that with my wife as a stay at home and everything my kids need since the day I graduated from med school. I have had 99% good experiences. Sure, I have had senior officers who are not physicians (usually NC) in positions of power making decisions that affect our practice, but there are similar situations on the outside. I could go on about the good things (ill leave out the bad because they have been said 1000 X in this forum) but ill stop for now I have work to do. If we start letting all those young premeds out there know that there are opportunities and experiences in the military that they can look forward to, we might get more docs and fill the scholarships which leads to more interns and happier residents and staff.
Please post your good experiences!
I'll post about my positive military experience. I always wanted to join the military since I was a kid so that's probably why I might perceive my experience as positive. I took a 3 year HPSP scholarship to an expensive private medical school. Did my internship near my home in San Diego. Went to 6 months of flight school in Pensacola Florida where I got to fly a fixed wing plane and helicopter (at the controls). I did get kinda screwed by getting stationed on the east coast (NC) since I'm originally from the west coast. It all worked out though, I got attached to a marine helicopter unit and am currently deployed to Afghanistan where I work in a tent near the flight line doing primary care, get to shadow anesthesiologists at the nearby hospital and fly in combat missions 1-2x a week. How cool is that? I get out in Jul2011 where I will start an civilian anesthesiology program.........all of that and I have no student loans!
Wow sounds exciting!!!! Do army get attached to a marine unit, or do army only stay with army?
I don't think so, Navy sometime get attached to Army against their will but not the other way around, the Army has helo units so you can get similar experiences w/the Army I would think...
GMO tours are rarely by choice. Army GMO tours are relatively rare, so when they happen, they stay in the Army. Navy GMO tours are relatively common, so they are occasionally slotted to Army deployments. This can cause frustration because being in a tent in a FOB in the desert is probably tough if you had visions of being on a boat somewhere.Why against their will?
Why against their will?
I am sorry I do not understand why the navy does not like the army, and vice versa. I mean I know we have a little sibling rivalary that my recruiter explained in a way that was an attack on the navy. Then the ROTC teacher at my job is retired navy, and he explained it as in the army we are not smart although I have a BS and a MS before I joined. I love all the branches, but of course I love mines the best and I will stand by them. However it would be nice to know why my branch is not liked, and why I can not like the navy.
What I meant my comment was that it is pretty common for Navy Docs to be IA'd to Army billets for 1 year tours, case in point, I had a fellow flight doc in my class get IA'd to the Army to Afghanistan for an infantry unit for a whole year. It's always Navy docs going to Army billets but never the other way around...
I am sorry I do not understand why the navy does not like the army, and vice versa. I mean I know we have a little sibling rivalary that my recruiter explained in a way that was an attack on the navy. Then the ROTC teacher at my job is retired navy, and he explained it as in the army we are not smart although I have a BS and a MS before I joined. I love all the branches, but of course I love mines the best and I will stand by them. However it would be nice to know why my branch is not liked, and why I can not like the navy.
Just my opinion. Most sailors (in particular those who have spent time with the Marines) don't really like the army.
dru2002 said:I should have clarified better. I spent most of my time with the Marines, who perform basically the same mission as the army (not doctrinally but rather in practice). And I feel that Marines are much better at they job than than soldiers. This is shaped by two deployments to Iraq one with a Marine infantry battalion and another attached as an advisor to an army stryker brigade. Do I respect them for serving their country? Most definitely. Am I glad that I'm a sailor? You betcha.
Totally agree. The SF attached to us in Al Qaim were true professionals. I would serve with them any day.I generally agree. Though it's perhaps unfair to compare AD Marines to regular AD Army or (god forbid) NG reservists. The Ranger battalions were pretty squared away though, and the Army SF guys had it ALL together.
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Well I guess my experiment worked. I wrote something positive and it took all of 5 seconds for you to turn it around and make it negative. That's exactly what I expected. For those of you that wrote negative posts, what I wrote was all true. I am sorry that you joined the military only to find out that you joined the military (what did you expect deployments to a bed and breakfast, total autonomy and complete control. I am happy, sorry you are not. No I am not doing 20 years I will get out at about 10years in but I won't look back on such a big portion of my life and career as a mistake like so many of you. I am done with this thread. I guess if I want to get meaning full responses I should just write about how much more money I could make because we all know that money is the only thing that can make us happy and fulfilled (sad).
You deleted your post. Why? (Worried it didn't make you look so good?)
If you stand by what you wrote--your third or fourth post on this forum--why won't you let it stand?
Great that you have enjoyed your tour. Really. What does that have to do with others who have reasons to say differently about their experiences? And if you think poorly of what you regard as negative opinions posted by others, why do you bother to read, let alone write anything here at all?
Is this forum something you like to play with, amuse your self with, "experiment" with? Hard to think of you as an honest participant here when you take that approach. "Well, I posted here just to see how quickly someone would challenge me and write negative things to my 'positive thread'" Experiment done.
BTW, I asked you for some info to establish your credibility. You didn't reply. Why? What are you afraid of?
Its not that he didn't want to hear about anyone's negative experiences its just that there are countless threads on this forum dedicated to just negative experiences in military med. He started a thread about POSITIVE military experiences and as usual the negative comments started spilling in. So no its not him who has the problem with hearing negative comments its you and all the other unhappy mil med doctors who have problems with people actually enjoying their experience in the military.
Its not that he didn't want to hear about anyone's negative experiences its just that there are countless threads on this forum dedicated to just negative experiences in military med. He started a thread about POSITIVE military experiences and as usual the negative comments started spilling in. So no its not him who has the problem with hearing negative comments its you and all the other unhappy mil med doctors who have problems with people actually enjoying their experience in the military.