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I thought you matched to Urology somewhere, didn't you?
Not yet, though I have it on good athourity i'll be doing good next year for that, nothing is garunteed.
I thought you matched to Urology somewhere, didn't you?
Not yet, though I have it on good athourity i'll be doing good next year for that, nothing is garunteed.
People are too generous with their grading. A+ for reputation?
I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with KCUMB.
People are too generous with their grading. A+ for reputation?
I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with KCUMB.
I've noticed that in medical school students talk a ton of crap about their own school to each other, but when they talk about their school to people not from their school (or the faculty) they tend to cover up/ignore the things they complain about daily and claim their school is the next Harvard.... or at least thats how it is with my school compared to what people say on here who have rated my school.
Generally the ones rating their schools on the past few pages are people who were very happy with their school and probably dont represent the average student
I've noticed that in medical school students talk a ton of crap about their own school to each other, but when they talk about their school to people not from their school (or the faculty) they tend to cover up/ignore the things they complain about daily and claim their school is the next Harvard.... or at least thats how it is with my school compared to what people say on here who have rated my school.
Generally the ones rating their schools on the past few pages are people who were very happy with their school and probably don't represent the average student
I've asked Western students what they think about their school and the general opinion among the 10-15 willing to tell me is pre-clinical, at least at the Pomona campus, is "not that great" with a lot of independent study, which is par for the course for DO schools. Then with clinicals the opinion is Arrowhead is top-end, Chino Valley is absolutely horrrible, and everything in between is a bit of a tossup and varies between students. It gave me the impression that Western students end up doing well in the long run because they matriculated with higher quality stats than most DO schools. The majority of the students and Western alum residents/attendings I've met were legit and knew their ****, though some/many stated it was more due to their own efforts than the schools. I mean I did meet a couple of ****** Western alums at more disreputable hospitals in other states but which school doesn't have those. Obviously correct me if I'm wrong.
Personally I'm from Southern California and passed on the school because of the campus. Ugliest ****ing piece of dirt I've ever seen, that was barely compensated by an adequate inside. Way too far from the good part of SoCal.
I've asked Western students what they think about their school and the general opinion among the 10-15 willing to tell me is pre-clinical, at least at the Pomona campus, is "not that great" with a lot of independent study, which is par for the course for DO schools. Then with clinicals the opinion is Arrowhead is top-end, Chino Valley is absolutely horrrible, and everything in between is a bit of a tossup and varies between students.
I'm a 2nd year at TCOM, and I just wanted to correct a small point: The school provided us with the Kaplan USMLE and COMLEX Qbanks for free at the beginning of the 2nd year. They also pay for us to take COMSAE. Unless I completely missed out on something, we were not given COMBANK.
60k a year for OOS for TCOM? Seems like you would be living like a king since tuition + fees is like 32k
60k a year for OOS for TCOM? Seems like you would be living like a king since tuition + fees is like 32k
just to chime in 44K is pretty middle of the road for DO schools if I'm not mistaken.
Med students have 10's of thousands of expenses you don't*. Equipment, textbooks, board exams, board prep material, fees for away rotations, travel expenses and lodging for away rotations and interviews, fees to apply to residency, etc.
Not to mention some people have responsibilities beyond being a single person and support children or spouse at least in part.
So no, 28k a year is pretty reasonable average over 4 years.
*next post will probably be "oh but I pirated all my prep materials, only took COMLEX, didn't do any away rotations, applied to only 1 AOA program and am single so blah blah" nobody cares
No one realistically should be in the blah blah blah zone, you should be taking USMLE and COMLEX both step 1 and 2, you should be paying for good prep materials, you should doing away rotations for a chunk of your fourth year.
And you should absolutely blow 10k on applying to residencies and apply really widely to ACGME programs.
What's wrong with MSUCOM? Why don't they just charge 100,000 per year and be done with it?
And I thought CCOM was expensive. Mind you, their tuition for 2013-2014 is going to be 56k.
It's for out of state. I believe in state msucom is very reasonable.
Ccom and azcom are real pricey though.
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it's funny how these schools aim to train primary care physicians..yet they are more expensive than most medical schools. They should change their mission statements to "we aim to train primary are physicians and ensure you are in debt the rest of your life."
it's funny how these schools aim to train primary care physicians..yet they are more expensive than most medical schools. They should change their mission statements to "we aim to train primary care physicians and ensure you are in debt the rest of your life."
I'll do a lengthier one when I have time, but here is the gist:
NYCOM sucks. Their exams are poorly written (half the class just failed one), the administration designs the exam (they are not clinicians therefore they do not know what the professors focused on or taught us to be relevant, thus, the questions on an exam are WTF), and most of the professors that write the exam are just poor, poor exam writers....so overall, not only do the examinations at the school make no sense and are unfair, but they do not even prepare you for the boards. Do not come here. The school is CRAZY expensive, it does not give you time to study for the boards, it is unapologetic about its misgivings and will not admit fault when they have screwed over students. Oh yeah, good luck trying to make a kick-ass fourth year schedule, ain't gonna happen--they suck at that, too. Sorry, I'm reaaaaallllyyyyy trying to like NYCOM. But it ain't happening. It's a money-driven institution run by administrators with PhD's in bull****.
The only excellent things about NYCOM are four things: 1) Pharmacology. Tough, but you learn a lot, and the lady that teaches it makes sure you know the material. Her class sessions and exam questions are great and clear (but again, difficult). 2) Same with Pathology. Excellently covered, and very board relevant, perhaps the most board relevant out of all the subjects taught well at the school. Not tricky to eff with students, just the contrary: the questions are clear, fair, and very board-friendly. 3) Anatomy. Great faculty. Hard lab practicals, but excellent department. 4) Robotics simulation/surgical/clinical workshops exposure.
Otherwise, the school accepts too many students, too many students fail out, exams are not board relevant and it seems like you are fighting to pass each and every time because of miscommunication between what you learn, are expected to learn, and what is tested. Rotations for the most part are very uneven, but hey, its Long Island, NYC, and NJ, so you see a lot and each hospital is different, so that is a plus. I would not recommend this school to anyone, however. The first two years are brutal. And fourth year is messed up. Oh, and make sure you don't pick your nose or something, because the camera's are alwaaaaayys watching, everywhere!!!
It's funny how these schools aim to train primary care physicians..yet they are more expensive than most medical schools. They should change their mission statements to "we aim to train primary care physicians and ensure you are in debt the rest of your life."
It's a money-driven institution run by administrators with PhD's in bull****.
(3) No more quizzes during rotations. We now have assignments, a log, and shelf exams
Personally I'm from Southern California and passed on the school because of the campus. Ugliest ****ing piece of dirt I've ever seen, that was barely compensated by an adequate inside. Way too far from the good part of SoCal.
Otherwise, the school accepts too many students, too many students fail out, exams are not board relevant and it seems like you are fighting to pass each and every time because of miscommunication between what you learn, are expected to learn, and what is tested. Rotations for the most part are very uneven, but hey, its Long Island, NYC, and NJ, so you see a lot and each hospital is different, so that is a plus. I would not recommend this school to anyone, however. The first two years are brutal. And fourth year is messed up. Oh, and make sure you don't pick your nose or something, because the camera's are alwaaaaayys watching, everywhere!!!
Take it you haven't seen Touro NV then?
Well, I'm convinced that who ever designed the study rooms in the new WesternU building never set foot inside a study room before. You know... with a room designed to fit 6-7 people that's barely large enough to do that and 6 electrical plugs... 4 of which is under the table and 2 ethernet ports. Oh, wait... that's right. They added a switch that sits on top of the table now. Make that 10 ehternet ports, but only 5 electrical plugs. Let's not forget that half of these are on an exterior wall, but have no exterior windows.
I'll do a lengthier one when I have time, but here is the gist:
NYCOM sucks. I'm a second year about to be a third year, thank god! Their exams are poorly written (half the class just failed one), the administration designs the exam (they are not clinicians therefore they do not know what the professors focused on or taught us to be relevant, thus, the questions on an exam are WTF), and most of the professors that write the exam are just poor, poor exam writers....so overall, not only do the examinations at the school make no sense and are unfair, but they do not even prepare you for the boards. Do not come here. The school is CRAZY expensive, it does not give you time to study for the boards, it is unapologetic about its misgivings and will not admit fault when they have screwed over students. Oh yeah, good luck trying to make a kick-ass fourth year schedule, ain't gonna happen--they suck at that, too. Sorry, I'm reaaaaallllyyyyy trying to like NYCOM. But it ain't happening. It's a money-driven institution run by administrators with PhD's in bull****.
The only excellent things about NYCOM are four things: 1) Pharmacology. Tough, but you learn a lot, and the lady that teaches it makes sure you know the material. Her class sessions and exam questions are great and clear (but again, difficult). 2) Same with Pathology. Excellently covered, and very board relevant, perhaps the most board relevant out of all the subjects taught well at the school. Not tricky to eff with students, just the contrary: the questions are clear, fair, and very board-friendly. 3) Anatomy. Great faculty. Hard lab practicals, but excellent department. 4) Robotics simulation/surgical/clinical workshops exposure.
Otherwise, the school accepts too many students, too many students fail out, exams are not board relevant and it seems like you are fighting to pass each and every time because of miscommunication between what you learn, are expected to learn, and what is tested. Rotations for the most part are very uneven, but hey, its Long Island, NYC, and NJ, so you see a lot and each hospital is different, so that is a plus. I would not recommend this school to anyone, however. The first two years are brutal. And fourth year is messed up. Oh, and make sure you don't pick your nose or something, because the camera's are alwaaaaayys watching, everywhere!!!
You're still blaming the school for your poor/mediocre performance?
I think the problem is there seems to be a large cohort of spoiled crybabies who expected the ceremonial spoon feeding they have experienced their whole lives to carry on through med school. These are the people who troll around "OMG the test was hard!" --> "OMG nobody made my fourth year schedule for me?!" --> "OMG I didn't match?!". It's all about your attitude.
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Can you expand a little bit on what you mean by 4th year being messed up in your opinion? You said the same thing in another recent post. Are you referring to the fact that only 2 weeks are given for vacation in June for board studying?
You're still blaming the school for your poor/mediocre performance?
I will be graduating from NYCOM this weekend. My experience was incredible and I matched my #1 in a competitive field. It has everything to do with making the most of every opportunity and never expected anything to be done for me.
I think the problem is there seems to be a large cohort of spoiled crybabies who expected the ceremonial spoon feeding they have experienced their whole lives to carry on through med school. These are the people who troll around "OMG the test was hard!" --> "OMG nobody made my fourth year schedule for me?!" --> "OMG I didn't match?!". It's all about your attitude.
I got every single rotation I wanted fourth year. This included Centers of Excellence in NYC, aways across the country, rotations that have never seen a DO rotate, and each Sub-I I wanted in the NYCOMEC system. I submitted all paperwork early and made sure all my away hospitals had received/sent proper materials. When things were not I was prompt and polite. BE PROACTIVE and assume things will go wrong.
NYCOM
PROS:
-Anatomy: of all the MD/DO schools I had interviewed at and visited since, NYCOM has the most impressive anatomy lab and teaching. Hands down. This is the foundations of every medical education.
-Clinical Preparation: My Level 2 PE was a breeeeeze thanks to the 2 years of prep NYCOM provides. While on aways, attendings frequently complimented my clinical skills.
-Technology: all lectures are video streamed, you can watch on your own time 24/7
-Course Layout: systems based, well organized
-OMM: not too little, not too much, enough where you walk away with a truly useful and applicable (read billable) skill set
-Breadth of Clinical rotation sites: You can apply for regional rotations and stay at one hospital (better option, better hospitals, but competitive) or leave it up to a lottery
-Social: tons of clubs, great lunch guest lectures, tons of post-exam parties/dances--- might seem trivial, but they understand that you need time to relax in order to perform well. I can honestly say I had a blast in medical school and was surrounded by great people.
CONS:
-Non-Clinician Professors:if NYCOM has a downfall this is it, too many non-clinicians, this makes for a tougher transition too board studying, I made out just fine with my own supplemental text reading, bringing in more clinicians would bring NYCOM to a whole different level
-"Scholars Program": Program where students take a year off b/w MS3 and MS4 to teach lectures and do research. Another source of non-clinician teaching. How an MS3 teaching you lectures benefits the general student body is beyond me. Only benefits the scholars.
-Career Advisement: There is a retired dentist who advises all students. He has no idea what he is doing. I realized this early on and took things into my own hands, but I don't think this is fair to students. The Dentist has to go.
-Admitting spoiled crybabies who blame the school for their poor/mediocre performance
I would do it all over again.
But, my opinion of the first two years still stand--especially about the randomness/WTF-type of material depicted on exams, and how they are super non-board relevant.