Army Pros & Cons, Lifestyle of Psychiatrist

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I'm thinking about taking the Army HPSP scholarship and hopefully matching into a psychiatry residency. Could anyone tell me more about:
  • where psychiatrists could be when they're deployed (like work environment)
  • dangers that psychiatrists/physicians face while deployed
  • what your experience with BOLC was like
  • difficulties of military psychiatry/advice
Thank you so much.

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Psychiatrists can be anywhere when they are deployed.

They face relatively little danger.

BOLC or ODS or COT are a few short weeks of your life and should not factor into your decision. OIS (old name for ODS) was like summer camp without the fun parts.

You'll face the same difficulties that are reflected in the thousands of posts on this forum. One major difference is that you will medically retire psychotic patients, so you spend less time doing that and more time taking care of PTSD and BPD patients. I can't speak for how fulfilling that is but I suspect it isn't.
 
Psychiatrists can be anywhere when they are deployed.

They face relatively little danger.

BOLC or ODS or COT are a few short weeks of your life and should not factor into your decision. OIS (old name for ODS) was like summer camp without the fun parts.

You'll face the same difficulties that are reflected in the thousands of posts on this forum. One major difference is that you will medically retire psychotic patients, so you spend less time doing that and more time taking care of PTSD and BPD patients. I can't speak for how fulfilling that is but I suspect it isn't.
PTSD, yes. BPD, no - and they need the social workers more than psychiatry anyways for DBT.
 
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I think he wants the social workers and psychologist to see the personality disorders.
 
SW/Psychologists have more talk therapy skills than psychiatry learns - they went to school to learn this specifically. Some residencies are stronger than others, but for the most part are inadequate IMO. Better to use those who are trained for those situations - if there is a CNS issue and behavioral management is needed, then psychiatry can be useful in that medical role. Medications are needed to help mitigate the high emotional state but they're not the cure. Research has shown time and time again that talk thearpy is 'cure' for personality disorders.
 
Are you saying that military shrinks don't see tons of patients with personality disorders?

I think he's saying that treating someone with PTS is more fulfilling than treating a cluster B.

I'm thinking about taking the Army HPSP scholarship and hopefully matching into a psychiatry residency. Could anyone tell me more about:
  • where psychiatrists could be when they're deployed (like work environment)
  • dangers that psychiatrists/physicians face while deployed
  • what your experience with BOLC was like
  • difficulties of military psychiatry/advice
Thank you so much.

I'm not a psychiatrist. One of my closest friends is an Army psychiatrist, so I can respond to your questions based on my impressions of his thoughts and experiences. Please note that these are not his answers but my impressions of his thoughts based on our numerous conversations--there is no substitute for speaking directly with a psychiatrist.

1. Psychiatrists go wherever the Army is deployed. Most psychiatrists are stationed in embedded behavioral health teams which are brigade and higher assets that deal with all the behavioral health aspects of a unit or AOR. These teams also conatin psychologists and enlisted behavioral health specialists. Some psychiatrists are attached to CSHs where they will generally serve a C&L role. On my friend's last deployment he was assigned to the detainee prison in Bagram and funcioned as one of the "prison psychiatrists".

2. Psychiatrists face the same dangers as other docs not assigned to a role 1 (which is to say generally low). Rocket/mortar attacks happen occasionally. If you travel in a convoy or fly in a chopper there is a risk of being attacked. I believe that a psychiatrist/pschologist is at greater risk of being fragged due to the inherent patient poulation (but again this is a relatively rare phenomenon with only 2 instances that I can recall offhand).

3. BOLC (OBC when I did it) is relatively painless. If you can engage your frontal lobe, pass your PT test, and be where you're supposed to be when you're supposed to be there you'll pass with a minimum of difficulty. You could compete with the gunners for honor graduate, but why? You'll meet some genuinely good people, get paid as an AD officer, and get to hang out in San Antonio. I enjoyed BOLC/OBC.

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The Residency Bubble: In residency you treat acute psychosis, manage long-term psychiatric disease, perform C&L psychiatry in large hospitals with complex pathology, learn CBT and lead small group CBT sessions for PTS and the personality disorders, see addiction clinic, perform TBI research, do some adolescent psych, and dabble in the legal aspects of forensic psychiatry (i.e. the things that most psychiatrists like to do). If you stay at one of the major medical centers, you'll get to do pretty much the same thing. If you go out to the line the vast majority of your duties involve serving as a risk management consultant for commanders of "high risk" soldiers with SI and enrolled in ASAP and chaptering soldiers out for psych issues that are incompatible with service.

Smartest and the Dumbest: Some very intelligent people go into psychiatry. It is also a haven for people who barely passed through medical school or were bounced by other specialties. As in the civilian world, a specialty that deals with mental/behavioral issues attracts many practitioners with their own behavioral/mental issues.

Malingerers: There are scammer-shammer douchebags in the military. Psychiatrists deal with a disproprotionate amount of these individuals.

Psychiatry and the Military in General: There is an obvious, fundamental tension/distrust between Servicemembers and the practitioners of mental/behavioral health. It's why Marines refer to psychiatrists as "wizards".
 
I'm a psychiatrist in the Army National Guard. I'll only comment on stuff that isn't unique to active. I can only comment on Army:
Psychiatrists can be anywhere when they are deployed.

They face relatively little danger.
Yes and no. Deployed psychiatrists are likely to face more danger than your average deployed doctor. Army psychiatrists are often tagged to COSC units and you travel a lot from unit to unit to unit. The transit is where bad things can happen. Again, relatively little risk compared to the combat units, but more danger than folks who spend most of their time at the CSH.

Fragging has happened in OEF/OIF. Thankfully rare, but it has happened. That said, I'm many multiples safer treating soldiers than treating patients in my civilian life.

BOLC is easy.
PTSD, yes. BPD, no - and they need the social workers more than psychiatry anyways for DBT.
Disagree with this. Most BPD cases don't present as such. They present as a host of problems and make their way to you. Once you diagnose them correctly with BPD, you can make accommodation recommendations (if any) and have them managed by a SWer and then they will likely be discharged. But you get a lot of BPD as a military psychiatrist.
2. Psychiatrists face the same dangers as other docs not assigned to a role 1 (which is to say generally low). Rocket/mortar attacks happen occasionally. If you travel in a convoy or fly in a chopper there is a risk of being attacked. I believe that a psychiatrist/pschologist is at greater risk of being fragged due to the inherent patient poulation (but again this is a relatively rare phenomenon with only 2 instances that I can recall offhand).
Agree with this. Again, the job can involve a fair bit of travel between locations, which has an element of risk. Not just while deployed. Driving in a big heavy vehicle with a tired 18yo at the wheel is always more dodgy than 99% of how I pend my civilian time.
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Smartest and the Dumbest: Some very intelligent people go into psychiatry. It is also a haven for people who barely passed through medical school or were bounced by other specialties. As in the civilian world, a specialty that deals with mental/behavioral issues attracts many practitioners with their own behavioral/mental issues.
Definitely agree with this characterization.
Psychiatry and the Military in General: There is an obvious, fundamental tension/distrust between Servicemembers and the practitioners of mental/behavioral health. It's why Marines refer to psychiatrists as "wizards".
Common term in the Army too. The derivation is that it's the only place in the Army that a soldier can step into a tent and suddenly disappear, never to return. That said, stigmatization has been decreasing.
 
Thank you for all these responses; they're really helping me to decide if this is the best path for me. I've also looked at being a civilian psychiatrist on a military base or at the VA hospital.
 
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