Prosecuting for fraudulent enlistment ?

[DrMetal]

Prosecuting for fraudulent enlistment: how can it be done (per medical) ?

I have an E-nothing in my unit that's been in the Navy a glorious 6 months, he's presented with a condition that I'm almost certain existed before joining. Now he's likely to have surgical intervention and possibly get med-boarded, thus obtaining a medical retirement or VA disability.

If we wanted to prosecute him for fraudulent enlistment, is the burden on me, the physician, to prove that said condition existed before he joined? Do I have to prove beyond a doubt, say by obtaining civilian medical records?

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[j4pac]

Prosecuting for fraudulent enlistment: how can it be done (per medical) ?

I have an E-nothing in my unit that's been in the Navy a glorious 6 months, he's presented with a condition that I'm almost certain existed before joining. Now he's likely to have surgical intervention and possibly get med-boarded, thus obtaining a medical retirement or VA disability.

If we wanted to prosecute him for fraudulent enlistment, is the burden on me, the physician, to prove that said condition existed before he joined? Do I have to prove beyond a doubt, say by obtaining civilian medical records?

Fraudulent enlistment is difficult to prove. Erroneous enlistment is much more obtainable. You need to dig for past medical records. Don't be afraid to consult specialists to get their opinion...and let your command/legal run the show. A physician should not be in charge of running a fraudulent enlistment investigation. Good luck!

 

[Monty Python]

Prosecuting for fraudulent enlistment: how can it be done (per medical) ?

I have an E-nothing in my unit that's been in the Navy a glorious 6 months, he's presented with a condition that I'm almost certain existed before joining. Now he's likely to have surgical intervention and possibly get med-boarded, thus obtaining a medical retirement or VA disability.

If we wanted to prosecute him for fraudulent enlistment, is the burden on me, the physician, to prove that said condition existed before he joined? Do I have to prove beyond a doubt, say by obtaining civilian medical records?

I was involved in a JAGMAN investigation, appointed to obtain as much information as possible related to the scope of my JAGMAN warrant. But my findings, opinions, and recommendations, along with those of the CO, went to PERS for their consideration to convene a Show Cause board. Whatever you might be appointed to investigate will most likely be used by JAG and PERS as the final decision-makers.

 

[deleted480308]

aside from all procedural advice (I don't know enough to add).....if the soldier did fraudulently enlist, I'd love for them to get caught.

I have been crushed in full court basketball by more than one former soldier on a full disability and have heard more than one person joking that they wish they had enlisted before they found out about "x" because it would mean a sweet retirement...it's annoying

 

[244913]

Prosecuting for fraudulent enlistment: how can it be done (per medical) ?

I have an E-nothing in my unit that's been in the Navy a glorious 6 months, he's presented with a condition that I'm almost certain existed before joining. Now he's likely to have surgical intervention and possibly get med-boarded, thus obtaining a medical retirement or VA disability.

If we wanted to prosecute him for fraudulent enlistment, is the burden on me, the physician, to prove that said condition existed before he joined? Do I have to prove beyond a doubt, say by obtaining civilian medical records?

Prosecuting for fraudulent enlistment: how can it be done (per medical) ?

I have an E-nothing in my unit that's been in the Navy a glorious 6 months, he's presented with a condition that I'm almost certain existed before joining. Now he's likely to have surgical intervention and possibly get med-boarded, thus obtaining a medical retirement or VA disability.

If we wanted to prosecute him for fraudulent enlistment, is the burden on me, the physician, to prove that said condition existed before he joined? Do I have to prove beyond a doubt, say by obtaining civilian medical records?

It's tough to prove fraudulent enlistment but here is what I did several times with these guys when I was a flight surgeon. They would come in several times for problem x, which I felt sure was pre-existing. I would ask them in roundabout ways how long they had dealt with problem x, and they would eventually admit "since high school" or something to that effect. I would document this in the medical record.

Then I would pull their MEPS physical, and lo and behold they never mentioned problem x (could be something as simple as a meniscal tear). The MEPS physical asks explicitly and implicitly about ANY medical/surgical condition in your past, so the onus is on the recruit to disclose everything for exactly this reason.

I would then touch base with JAG and their troop command. JAG and the troop/Squadron leadership would lean hard on them and threaten prosecution for fraudulent enlistment for which the penalties can be severe. Then they would bargain it down to a chapter action and the dude would be out of the Army in 2 weeks with an other than honorable discharge.

Few wanted to run the risk of a fraudulent enlistment conviction.

Good luck

- ex 61N

 

[DrMetal]

It's tough to prove fraudulent enlistment but here is what I did several times with these guys when I was a flight surgeon. They would come in several times for problem x, which I felt sure was pre-existing. I would ask them in roundabout ways how long they had dealt with problem x, and they would eventually admit "since high school" or something to that effect. I would document this in the medical record.

Yeah, I tried this. He was sly enough to deny everything. What's more peculiar is that he was a D1 athlete in college, I don't see how he could've played and been completely asymptomatic with this condition.

 

[haujun]

I remember wanting to prosecute one malinger (Specialist who also likely suffer from personality disorder) appear to have all those chronic symptoms (chronic pain syndrome, fibromyalgia, seronegative RA etc) just magically disappear before reenlistment and her symptoms reappear after promotion/reenlistment. She fired previous provider before coming to see me and when I advised her not to reenlist given her chronic debilitating conditions etc she also fired me too. In the end she just played me and found different provider who gave her what she wanted. It is so easy for a patient to shop for a provider to get what she wants. Psychiatrist warned me that proving someone that he/she is malingering is very difficult saying that everything needs to be in placed. Although I did not go thru with it but I do regret in not doing right thing...

 

[DrMetal]

I remember wanting to prosecute one malinger (Specialist who also likely suffer from personality disorder) appear to have all those chronic symptoms (chronic pain syndrome, fibromyalgia, seronegative RA etc) just magically disappear ...

That makes me wanna puke! (In the case I'm dealing with now, there's no malingering . . . there is actual pathology with a possibly clear surgical intervention, there's just no way that said condition occurred in the last 6 months). I don't even mind that such pre-existing conditions are found . . .I just wish these kids wouldn't be such pieces of $%^&.

I uncovered a 50 mm ASD in a kid on my ship (incidentally, on exam . . . he came into sick call for a URI) that was undoubtedly pre-existing. I even found civilian records at the local Childrens Hospital to prove it. Yet, my command and I did nothing to punish him for it (and rightfully so), because he was the sweetest kid and the hardest work guy onboard for 5 years. He got his surgery, went straight back to work, not even a LIMDU.

It's these other loser kids who haven't been in for more than a hockey season and act so entitled, so lazy . . .that really get to me.

 

[haujun]

Yeah...she told me that her symptoms are too bad to reenlist and she was on cymbalta, lyrica, elavil, and various narcotics for several months. I gave her temporary profile and counseled her to get out of military when times come or I have to give a permeant profile and MEB after two temporary profiles for same condition. Then one month before reenlistment she tells me that she is cured and she stopped taking medications. She passed her APFT. After she pinned E-5 and reenlisted few days later she wanted me to give more profiles against APFT due to fibromyalgia etc and restart all those medications. I told her that I cannot give any more profile and wanted to initiate MEB but she filed a complaint and changed provider.

 

[Maverick87]

Yeah...she told me that her symptoms are too bad to reenlist and she was on cymbalta, lyrica, elavil, and various narcotics for several months. I gave her temporary profile and counseled her to get out of military when times come or I have to give a permeant profile and MEB after two temporary profiles for same condition. Then one month before reenlistment she tells me that she is cured and she stopped taking medications. She passed her APFT. After she pinned E-5 and reenlisted few days later she wanted me to give more profiles against APFT due to fibromyalgia etc and restart all those medications. I told her that I cannot give any more profile and wanted to initiate MEB but she filed a complaint and changed provider.

Did you ever contact her commander with your concerns? That tends to work pretty well.

 

[DrMetal]

Did you ever contact her commander with your concerns? That tends to work pretty well.

Uhh no, it doesn't work pretty well. The command looks at you and sais, "Well what do you think, you're the doctor?" You tell the command she's batsht crazy, should be prosecuted for malingering, or at least ADSEP'd so we can get her out of everybody's hair . . . she goes doctor shopping as described above, finds a provider that'll sign whatever she wants . . . she's back to work, then cycle repeats itself. It doesn't work out very well at all.

In the Navy, I've actually had good luck with Mental Health, who quickly recommends ADSEP, I pass the word along to my command and they move quick to separate. The patient isn't allowed to "fire me" (the recommendation for ADSEP itself comes from another physician, not I) . . . .therefore it's a solid rec that nobody else can deny. With that, the command has enough ammo to ADSEP and get him/her outta everybody's hair.

 

[j4pac]

Agreed...for mental health malingering always refer to Mental Health. Much more difficult for the patient to game the system that way.

I try to get specialists involved asap when I think adsep, malingering, erroneous/fraudulent enlistment is on the table.

 

[Jeffrety]

This forum is mostly officers complaining how they've been subjugated by the military. But now everyone gets outraged and demands justice when a poor enlisted soldier tries to take advantage of the system.

Kudos for the lack of awareness. Lol @ the lack of empathy and understanding.

 

[deleted480308]

This forum is mostly officers complaining how they've been subjugated by the military. But now everyone gets outraged and demands justice when a poor enlisted soldier tries to take advantage of the system.

Kudos for the lack of awareness. Lol @ the lack of empathy and understanding.

....take advantage.....

It's an important phrase. Stealing from the government I fund is not something I condone

 

[notdeadyet]

Agreed...for mental health malingering always refer to Mental Health. Much more difficult for the patient to game the system that way.

Ditto the above. Malingering this stuff well enough to fool a good psychiatrist who does decent collateral review and testing is actually quite hard. And we tend to get less pushback when we emphasize the need for a soldier to be separated for the needs of the unit and soldier. The whole "wizard" thing has some validity when it comes to this. I'd refer.

 

[Gastrapathy]

If it's solvable surgically, who cares? Surgery residents need cases.

 

[pgg]

This forum is mostly officers complaining how they've been subjugated by the military.

Is that what you really get out of this forum?

But now everyone gets outraged and demands justice when a poor enlisted soldier tries to take advantage of the system.

Ah. It's the "whiny privileged complaining officer" vs "poor oppressed disadvantaged enlisted guy" line ... The SDN-o-Meter(tm) calculates a 73% probability that you have prior enlisted service but have yet to emerge from the warm loving womb of med school / GME ...

Kudos for the lack of awareness. Lol @ the lack of empathy and understanding.

Uh huh.

 

[Monty Python]

... The SDN-o-Meter(tm) calculates a 73% probability ...

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[TheEarDoc]

I wish you could. As someone who does tons of C&P exams I am amazed how many folks are banking thousands in tax free VA disability checks for conditions that are almost 90% certain to have been pre-existing.

I have two high school classmates who had severe mental problems (multiple suicide attempts, depression, etc.) and lied at MEPS. Now they are getting nice %'s for depression and PTSD (with no combat or MST).

What frustrates me is I see many a good person who could be an amazing asset to the armed services who tell the truth at MEPS and are PDQ'd or not given a waiver and never allowed to serve. The system is broken and I don't see it getting fixed anytime soon.

 

[NavyFP]

If it is EPTS and they do surgery, that does not preclude the Fraudulent Enlistment. It also does not preclude getting med boarded out on an EPTS, although it makes it a little harder.

I too see a whole lotta people getting 70+ percent from the VA for multiple minor complaints and stuff they make up.

 

[asdf123g]

whatever happened with this OP?
How can someone hide a preexisting condition??

 

[TheEarDoc]

whatever happened with this OP?
How can someone hide a preexisting condition??

Easy they lie about it. Most of the time they get away with it. It's very hard to prove fraudulent enlistment unfortunately.

Don't even get me started with the military giving out compensation for genetic disorders/diseases.

 

[asdf123g]

Easy they lie about it. Most of the time they get away with it. It's very hard to prove fraudulent enlistment unfortunately.

Don't even get me started with the military giving out compensation for genetic disorders/diseases.

youre telling me a guy can walk into the military...with say a debilitating back injury and pretend like they dont have anything. Get enlisted then MAGICALLY have this back injury while serving...and then cashout? wtf

 

[deleted480308]

youre telling me a guy can walk into the military...with say a debilitating back injury and pretend like they dont have anything. Get enlisted then MAGICALLY have this back injury while serving...and then cashout? wtf

Or get one that isn't debilitating listed as one that is...

 

[asdf123g]

Or get one that isn't debilitating listed as one that is...

so how does it work? They get extra disability pay? They get honorably discharged with compensation? They get discharged and a pension as if they served 20 years? none of the above?

 

[Gastrapathy]

CPAP for all my friends.

 

[j4pac]

Easy they lie about it. Most of the time they get away with it. It's very hard to prove fraudulent enlistment unfortunately.

Don't even get me started with the military giving out compensation for genetic disorders/diseases.

so how does it work? They get extra disability pay? They get honorably discharged with compensation? They get discharged and a pension as if they served 20 years? none of the above?

These are monthly incomes...FOR LIFE!!!

10% - 20% (No Dependents)
Percentage Rate
10% $133.17
20% $263.23

Dependent Status 30% 40% 50% 60%
Veteran Alone $407.75 $587.36 $836.13 $1,059.09
Veteran with Spouse Only $455.75 $651.36 $917.13 $1,156.09
Veteran with Spouse & One Parent $494.75 $703.36 $982.13 $1,234.09
Veteran with Spouse and Two Parents $533.74 $755.36 $1,047.13 $1,312.09
Veteran with One Parent $446.75 $639.36 $901.13 $1,137.09
Veteran with Two Parents $485.75 $691.36 $966.13 $1,215.09
Additional for A/A spouse (see footnote b) $44.00 $59.00* $74.00 $89.00

Dependent Status 70% 80% 90% 100%
Veteran Alone $1,334.71 $1,551.48 $1,743.48 $2,906.83
Veteran with Spouse Only $1,447.71 $1,680.48 $1,888.48 $3,068.90
Veteran with Spouse and One Parent $1,538.71 $1,784.48 $2,005.48 $3,198.96
Veteran with Spouse and Two Parents $1,629.71 $1,888.48 $2,122.48 $3,329.02
Veteran with One Parent $1,425.71 $1,655.48 $1,860.48 $3,036.89
Veteran with Two Parents $1,516.71 $1,759.48 $1,977.48 $3,166.95
Additional for A/A spouse (see footnote b) $104.00 $118.00 $133.00 $148.64
Dependent Status 30% 40% 50% 60%
Veteran with Spouse and Child $491.75 $699.36 $976.13 $1,227.09
Veteran with Child Only $439.75 $630.36 $890.13 $1,124.09
Veteran with Spouse, One Parent and Child $530.75 $751.36 $1,041.13 $1,305.09
Veteran with Spouse, Two Parents and Child $569.75 $803.36 $1,106.13 $1,383.09
Veteran with One Parent and Child $478.75 $682.36 $955.13 $,1202.09
Veteran with Two Parents and Child $517.75 $734.36 $1,020.13 $1,280.09
Add for Each Additional Child Under Age 18 $24.00 $32.00 $40.00 $48.00
Each Additional Schoolchild Over Age 18 (see footnote a) $78.00 $104.00 $130.00 $156.00
Additional for A/A spouse (see footnote b) $44.00 $59.00 $74.00 $89.00
Dependent Status 70% 80% 90% 100%
Veteran with Spouse and Child $1,530.71 $1,775.48 $1,995.48 $3,187.60
Veteran with Child Only $1409.71 $1,637.48 $1,840.48 $3,015.22
Veteran with Spouse, One Parent and Child $1,621.71 $1,879.48 $2,112.48 $3,317.66
Veteran with Spouse, Two Parents and Child $1,712.71 $1,983.48 $2,229.48 $3,447.72
Veteran with One Parent and Child $1,500.71 $1,741.48 $1,957.48 $3145.28
Veteran with Two Parents and Child $1,591.71 $1,845.48 $2,074.48 $3,275.34
Add for Each Additional Child Under Age 18 $56.00 $64.00 $72.00 $80.52
Each Additional Schoolchild Over Age 18 (see footnote a) $182.00 $208.00 $234.00 $260.13
Additional for A/A spouse (see footnote b) $104.00 $118.00 $133.00 $148.64

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As you can see...getting 30% is key because there is a substantial jump in monthly income and also it starts taking dependents into account. PTSD often has a 100% disability rating. Sleep apnea often has a 50% disability rating.

I've seen a servicemember win GI Bill benefits and disability from a congenital brain malformation. The servicemember was able to claim that his condition was worsened by military service. Cha-ching.

 

[Shikima]

I'd like $3400/month for life....

 

[deleted480308]

Sleep apnea getting a ratin is insane

 

[asdf123g]

these only count if they appear or should i say 'appear' while serving or if they are 'worsened' while serving?

 

[Doctor Bob]

Getting a hysterectomy gives you a 100% disability rating for 3 months after the surgery... then a 50% disability rating for life.
I know some post-menopausal women who got a hysterectomy a few months before separating because it would get them a better rating from the VA.

<shrug> the system is set up in such an easy way to game... shouldn't be a surprise that people do it.

 

[TheEarDoc]

CPAP for all my friends.

You win the internet for this one! Automatic 50% VA disability for sleep apnea.

You get a CPAP and you get a CPAP everyone gets a CPAP!!!!!

 

[TheEarDoc]

These are monthly incomes...FOR LIFE!!!

10% - 20% (No Dependents)
Percentage Rate
10% $133.17
20% $263.23

Dependent Status 30% 40% 50% 60%
Veteran Alone $407.75 $587.36 $836.13 $1,059.09
Veteran with Spouse Only $455.75 $651.36 $917.13 $1,156.09
Veteran with Spouse & One Parent $494.75 $703.36 $982.13 $1,234.09
Veteran with Spouse and Two Parents $533.74 $755.36 $1,047.13 $1,312.09
Veteran with One Parent $446.75 $639.36 $901.13 $1,137.09
Veteran with Two Parents $485.75 $691.36 $966.13 $1,215.09
Additional for A/A spouse (see footnote b) $44.00 $59.00* $74.00 $89.00

Dependent Status 70% 80% 90% 100%
Veteran Alone $1,334.71 $1,551.48 $1,743.48 $2,906.83
Veteran with Spouse Only $1,447.71 $1,680.48 $1,888.48 $3,068.90
Veteran with Spouse and One Parent $1,538.71 $1,784.48 $2,005.48 $3,198.96
Veteran with Spouse and Two Parents $1,629.71 $1,888.48 $2,122.48 $3,329.02
Veteran with One Parent $1,425.71 $1,655.48 $1,860.48 $3,036.89
Veteran with Two Parents $1,516.71 $1,759.48 $1,977.48 $3,166.95
Additional for A/A spouse (see footnote b) $104.00 $118.00 $133.00 $148.64
Dependent Status 30% 40% 50% 60%
Veteran with Spouse and Child $491.75 $699.36 $976.13 $1,227.09
Veteran with Child Only $439.75 $630.36 $890.13 $1,124.09
Veteran with Spouse, One Parent and Child $530.75 $751.36 $1,041.13 $1,305.09
Veteran with Spouse, Two Parents and Child $569.75 $803.36 $1,106.13 $1,383.09
Veteran with One Parent and Child $478.75 $682.36 $955.13 $,1202.09
Veteran with Two Parents and Child $517.75 $734.36 $1,020.13 $1,280.09
Add for Each Additional Child Under Age 18 $24.00 $32.00 $40.00 $48.00
Each Additional Schoolchild Over Age 18 (see footnote a) $78.00 $104.00 $130.00 $156.00
Additional for A/A spouse (see footnote b) $44.00 $59.00 $74.00 $89.00
Dependent Status 70% 80% 90% 100%
Veteran with Spouse and Child $1,530.71 $1,775.48 $1,995.48 $3,187.60
Veteran with Child Only $1409.71 $1,637.48 $1,840.48 $3,015.22
Veteran with Spouse, One Parent and Child $1,621.71 $1,879.48 $2,112.48 $3,317.66
Veteran with Spouse, Two Parents and Child $1,712.71 $1,983.48 $2,229.48 $3,447.72
Veteran with One Parent and Child $1,500.71 $1,741.48 $1,957.48 $3145.28
Veteran with Two Parents and Child $1,591.71 $1,845.48 $2,074.48 $3,275.34
Add for Each Additional Child Under Age 18 $56.00 $64.00 $72.00 $80.52
Each Additional Schoolchild Over Age 18 (see footnote a) $182.00 $208.00 $234.00 $260.13
Additional for A/A spouse (see footnote b) $104.00 $118.00 $133.00 $148.64

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As you can see...getting 30% is key because there is a substantial jump in monthly income and also it starts taking dependents into account. PTSD often has a 100% disability rating. Sleep apnea often has a 50% disability rating.

I've seen a servicemember win GI Bill benefits and disability from a congenital brain malformation. The servicemember was able to claim that his condition was worsened by military service. Cha-ching.

PTSD starts at 30%. Then 50%. Then 70%. Then 100%. Getting 70% or higher means they have to show significant impairment and are supposed to not be able to be employed, but I see many VA employees walking around with 70% PTSD plus other disabilities.

VA disability is the dirty little secret that no politician will touch and no one in the VA is allowed to talk about because it's not PC.

 

[TheEarDoc]

these only count if they appear or should i say 'appear' while serving or if they are 'worsened' while serving?

Both.

One can have a pre-existing condition and if they can prove or give evidence that 50% probability or greater that the pre-existing condition was exacerbated or made worse by military service then they can be service connected for it and pull a disability check.

I have seen folks with genetic disorders get service connected for them.

I see a lot of Meniere's Disease folks who are service connected for both the Meniere's disease then they also file for vertigo and get a rating for it, tinnitus and get a rating for it, and hearing loss and get a rating for it. So they are pulling ratings for symptoms of a genetic disease they just happened to be lucky enough to be in uniform when they became symptomatic.

Same with vestibular schwannomas and acoustic neuromas.

Basically it doesn't matter if you are on duty or not if you are full time military and something happens to injure you then you can claim it and will get it.

If workers comp worked like the VA disability system worked then no business could afford the insurance and the system would collapse within a month.

 

[TheEarDoc]

Getting a hysterectomy gives you a 100% disability rating for 3 months after the surgery... then a 50% disability rating for life.
I know some post-menopausal women who got a hysterectomy a few months before separating because it would get them a better rating from the VA.

<shrug> the system is set up in such an easy way to game... shouldn't be a surprise that people do it.

Yep 50% for life for loss of creative organ.

 

[deleted480308]

PTSD starts at 30%. Then 50%. Then 70%. Then 100%. Getting 70% or higher means they have to show significant impairment and are supposed to not be able to be employed, but I see many VA employees walking around with 70% PTSD plus other disabilities.

VA disability is the dirty little secret that no politician will touch and no one in the VA is allowed to talk about because it's not PC.

Yeah, if any politician were to move to end the waste in the system by mentioning the time I was schooled in full court basketball by a guy with a full time management level job and 70% disability rating all that would happen is that politician wouldn't get elected because their opponent would drag out a triple amputee with 90% 3rd degree burns and say the other guy hates the troops

No room for logic and reason

 

[TheEarDoc]

Yeah, if any politician were to move to end the waste in the system by mentioning the time I was schooled in full court basketball by a guy with a full time management level job and 70% disability rating all that would happen is that politician wouldn't get elected because their opponent would drag out a triple amputee with 90% 3rd degree burns and say the other guy hates the troops

No room for logic and reason

Exactly.

When over 85% of the VA budget goes directly back to veterans' pockets in the form of tax free compensation and pension payments and less than 10% of the actual budget goes to veteran's healthcare then we have a problem. Unfortunately it's not ever given to the public in this manner so unless you work in the VA you do not know how the budget is set up. So when veterans are complaining about the VA it's usually about their disability stuff not their actual healthcare.

The government needs to separate the budget into benefits VA, healthcare VA, cemeteries VA and then we can compare apples to apples. Right now people see the VA budget and think we have this huge multi billion dollar budget and it's all used for healthcare. So they are ill informed and of course get angry and think we are wasting money, but the truth is if we started trimming the fat from the fraudulent claims and prosecuting fraud (I report compensation fraud when I see it such as the guy I recently had who is 90% service connected for impaired hearing and has a mild hearing loss outside the speech range and just malingered on his last exam with an idiot who obviously didn't care to test correctly). Nothing is done.

 

[asdf123g]

so are you guys against big government...seeing as how wasteful it seems to be?

 

[j4pac]

so are you guys against big government...seeing as how wasteful it seems to be?

I'm against stupidity.

 

[TheEarDoc]

so are you guys against big government...seeing as how wasteful it seems to be?

No I'm against anyone who abuses the system for monetary gain. It's just since it's not PC to call a veteran out for gaming the system like it is welfare or Medicaid fraud, the cycle continues.

As I've said for years, just because someone is a veteran does not make them a good person. I've met several who have done horrible things prior to and after the military some even while in the military.

It's a system that unfortunately does not have infinite money and eventually these folks cheating the system are going to bankrupt it. It's bad enough now that people who have valid PTSD claims and other claims have to wait long wait times to have their cases heard because of these folks clogging up the system with their bogus claims.

 

[Gastrapathy]

Tinnitus for all my friends.

 

[j4pac]

Tinnitus for all my friends.

Over 100 hours of flying over the past 4 years. Do I have a chance?

What other purely subjective conditions gain disability? Headaches, vertigo, restless leg syndrome...

That should at least good for 30% right?

 

[idq1i]

fibromyalgia, depression, sleep apnea, back pain. There - almost 120% for you. Make them prove that you don't have at least 3 of the 4

 

[TheEarDoc]

Tinnitus for all my friends.

Welcome to every single day at the VA for me!

Also I always find it hilarious that people can do one job in the military and never ever ever wear hearing protection, but then do the same exact job while not in the military and they ALWAYS wore hearing protection.

 

[TheEarDoc]

Over 100 hours of flying over the past 4 years. Do I have a chance?

What other purely subjective conditions gain disability? Headaches, vertigo, restless leg syndrome...

That should at least good for 30% right?

Don't forget PTSD. Did you one time hear about someone seeing a dead body or wounded people? Then you have PTSD!!!!

I would love to see some of the combat veterans I know sit in the same room with some of the folks I see who are 70-100% service connected for PTSD.

My favorite was someone was not able to shower for 3 days while on field maneuvers for their unit in the US. This caused them to feel gross and disgusting and caused them much stress. They filed for PTSD for this.

 

[jakeislove]

I have service-connected tinnitis.

It's constant and annoying.

 

[deleted480308]

I've been googling and holy crap there are a lot of sites "helping" people get more disability

 

[ArmyTiger]

Don't forget PTSD. Did you one time hear about someone seeing a dead body or wounded people? Then you have PTSD!!!!

I would love to see some of the combat veterans I know sit in the same room with some of the folks I see who are 70-100% service connected for PTSD.

My favorite was someone was not able to shower for 3 days while on field maneuvers for their unit in the US. This caused them to feel gross and disgusting and caused them much stress. They filed for PTSD for this.

Are you at JBLM? I swear I know of that soldier.

 

[j4pac]

I have service-connected tinnitis.

It's constant and annoying.

Prove it!

 

[jakeislove]

Prove it!

It came with the hearing loss. I'd gladly trade hearing the kids better, constant ringing (that interferes with everything), and having to read lips in social situations for their $133/month.