Psychiatry in New Zealand/Australia/Canada as an American...

[fiatslug]

So, with the 74th school shooting since Sandy Hook (and this one close to home) today, I'm thinking my kids might have a better shot of, you know, not being assassinated at school if we lived in a different country.

Anyone have any experience/insights to share?

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[OldPsychDoc]

Hell, they may have a better chance in Afghanistan or Syria the way things are going...

 

[Jorje286]

I think you can automatically find a job in NZ if you're American board certified, but there might be a year where they keep close observation on you (not sure what the official name is). There's a shortage there too, though I don't know what's the situation in the only real city there. Dunno about Australia.

 

[fiatslug]

Just found out a good friend (CAP) is going to start working in Wellington in the fall! He has one in college, one starting HS, one in grade school. So excited for him. It'll be good to have a local connection.

 

[vistaril]

So, with the 74th school shooting since Sandy Hook (and this one close to home) today, I'm thinking my kids might have a better shot of, you know, not being assassinated at school if we lived in a different country.

Anyone have any experience/insights to share?

Even in a bad year where there is a terrible tragedy, the number of k-12 children killed per year by school violence is something on the order of 0.15/100,000

I don't think hyperbole and school tragedies go very well together.

 

[Armadillos]

Every physician Ive talked to who has done any sort of locums in NZ has loved it, in the end I thinking being a massive flight away from all your old friends and family makes it tough for most to commit to it long term.

 

[fiatslug]

Even in a bad year where there is a terrible tragedy, the number of k-12 children killed per year by school violence is something on the order of 0.15/100,000

I don't think hyperbole and school tragedies go very well together.

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
News in Brief • guns • violence • News • ISSUE 50•21 • May 27, 2014

ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

 

[Shikima]

..and yet the large white elephant sits in the corner.

 

[alina_s]

Canada has different rules for each province, and recruiting agencies for most of them. It's probably impossible to go to Quebec unless you're very, very fluent in French, and I don't think the more rural provinces (Nunavut, Northwest Territory) recruit specialists. I've heard that Canadians think Americans are crazy for the amount of time we spend at work, which would be a plus for me if I were working there, but made the application process rather frustrating. My experience with BC was that everything took about twice as long as they estimated, and I ultimately backed out because it took far longer than expected to get a contract and I lost faith that it was going to be possible to get things together (and start to earn an income) in the time I needed. It sounds like a nice place to work, as long as you aren't on a deadline to get there. I'd was trying to plan ~8 months ahead and had had to give 3 months notice at my job.

I looked at New Zealand and talked to someone from my residency who'd done it. Distance was an issue for me. My classmate's opinion was that it was a really nice place to start right after a tough residency, but it would have been maddening to stay because there really is such thing as too much free time.

 

[nancysinatra]

If you are board certified, that makes it easier. The UK has an astonishingly difficult application process, but Canada is simpler. Like aline_s said, each province is different. There is a locums firm that works in NZ and Australia. It really appeals to me too. Personally I would liked to get hired by Aramco, and head to tax free Saudi Arabia.

 

[vistaril]

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens
News in Brief • guns • violence • News • ISSUE 50•21 • May 27, 2014

ISLA VISTA, CA—In the days following a violent rampage in southern California in which a lone attacker killed seven individuals, including himself, and seriously injured over a dozen others, citizens living in the only country where this kind of mass killing routinely occurs reportedly concluded Tuesday that there was no way to prevent the massacre from taking place. “This was a terrible tragedy, but sometimes these things just happen and there’s nothing anyone can do to stop them,” said North Carolina resident Samuel Wipper, echoing sentiments expressed by tens of millions of individuals who reside in a nation where over half of the world’s deadliest mass shootings have occurred in the past 50 years and whose citizens are 20 times more likely to die of gun violence than those of other developed nations. “It’s a shame, but what can we do? There really wasn’t anything that was going to keep this guy from snapping and killing a lot of people if that’s what he really wanted.” At press time, residents of the only economically advanced nation in the world where roughly two mass shootings have occurred every month for the past five years were referring to themselves and their situation as “helpless.”

there is no way to prevent this *in this country*.......sheeesh.

 

[flight24]

Bump.
Look at slide 5: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/04/14/how-much-alberta-doctors-make_n_3080725.html
Avg salary for psychiatrist in Alberta is $332,906.

Have some family there so wouldn't mind working there in the future. How realistic is it to move down there after residency as a DO and make a decent living? I don't think you could do a residency in Canada, but not sure. Wouldn't mind living in Toronto either

 

[MacDonaldTriad]

Those are probably Canadian dollars so this is a little less. A friend of mine was at a conference with some Canadian doctors and they didn't know what a DO was and Canada has no policy about them from what she could tell.

 

[PistolPete]

The DO bit in Canada is changing though. The annoying thing is I think you have to take the Canadian boards....

 

[Thewonderer]

The "salary" quoted for Alberta physicians is "gross revenue" not salary, i.e. that's the amount they collected from the ministry of health from that province, from which they have to pay overhead, malpractice insurance, etc. Canadian doctors make good money but not as good as those gross revenue figures make you believe.