Pulled from residency in RR?

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I can't remember if this was commented on specifically, but I'm curious if any of the services (Big 4 plus ANG/NG) can pull you from residency if you join up during residency. In other words, if you've already started a residency in X, enter service in PGY-2 or PGY-3 in that specialty, can any service pull you for GMO duty?

Kind of a specific case, but I'm curious.

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Originally posted by Primate
I can't remember if this was commented on specifically, but I'm curious if any of the services (Big 4 plus ANG/NG) can pull you from residency if you join up during residency. In other words, if you've already started a residency in X, enter service in PGY-2 or PGY-3 in that specialty, can any service pull you for GMO duty?

Kind of a specific case, but I'm curious.

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I believe they all can. My friend was granted a full-deferment by the Navy to do her OBGYN residency at WVU. After her internship, she was "pulled" by the Navy, i.e. she received orders to a GMO billet.

It can and does happen.

However, I can't speak as to the frequency of this. Nor do I have any information as to WHY this happens.

Maybe some of the knowledgable, practicing military docs on this forum can shed some light on this.
 
Was your friend AD or RR? I know that it can (infrequently, from what I know) happen that you get re-assigned as a GMO if you're active, but can (or do - I suppose they always CAN once you sign on the line) they pull you from a Ready Reserve unit to AD GMO?

If I got the call, I'd go. I'd just rather go as what I'm training for.
 
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My understanding is that the services used to pull people from residencies, but that this angered so many residencies so severely that military folks were not able to get good spots anymore. So, they stopped pulling people out of residencies. Of note, though, is the term RESIDENCY. In the hound's example, they pulled her after her internship. The Navy considers interns separately from residents. Interns are looked at as potential GMOs and not much else by the Navy. Sure, you may get to train straight through but in all likelihood, you're GMOing. I don't personally know anyone who was pulled from a residency to be put into the fleet. On the other hand, if the Navy has picked you up as a resident, that means they are training to fill a projected opening in that field in the year you're set to finish residency. Thus, they will not likely pull you...however, it is the Navy so anything can ultimately happen.
Also, FAP and RR and other non-HPSP types are much less likely to get pulled. Your programs are designed to acquire specialists through the civilian side, whereas HPSP is designed for overall manning, i.e. GMOs in the Navy. The Navy doesn't know what kind of specialist you'll be when you sign on, and they don't really care because they have 300-400 GMO spots to fill with warm bodies. It's best to assume you'll be a GMO if you go to USUHS or HPSP, consider yourself lucky if you get a deferment but not out of the woods until you start that PGY-2 year. For the others, I think you're safe.
Just my $.02. By the way, I've had a great time on my tours in the fleet and wouldn't trade them for anything. I changed specialty choice, that alone was worth the time out, not to mention all of the experiences I couldn't have matched in the civilian world. The GMO/DMO/FS tour, as dreaded as it is by some, is worth the time.

Teufelhunden - I've followed your posts on the FP forum, I couldn't agree with you more. I was once swayed by the idealism of FP, thought I wanted to be a family Doc in my hometown. My suspicion from your posts is that you will be over it soon, before you match, but if not may I recommend to you, and all who are watching, to take advantage of the GMO tour to see what FP is really like. I did, I've enjoyed it and have learned a lot, but I'm applying for radiology and not looking back at FP as a career. Idealism aside, it's a tough way to make a living in these days of the q15 min office visit. The Navy is a great place to get a taste of primary care without committing your life to it...it's called the GMO tour. There's a reason FP and IM are easy to train straight through in the Navy, the returning GMOs have seen the light and aren't applying.

Sorry for the digression, but I think it's broad enough in applicability to be here and not as a PM. Again, just a humble Diver's opinion.
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A friend of mine got a full deferment for ortho - was in his 7th month of PGY-2 when he got pulled back to be a GMO. After 2 years, he was able to come back into the Navy's ortho program in San Diego - starting over as a 2nd year.
 
I stand corrected, that's too bad for the Resident and the program that trusted the Navy. Oh well, buyer beware, the Navy funds HPSP to get GMOs, those who stick around for specialties are a bonus.
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