Question for atheists

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What about the "I don't know why or how but matter definitely poofed out of thin air and no that isn't as crazy as thinking a supernatural force created it because I just say "Big Bang" and hope no one will ask where the extremely dense acorn came from" argument?
FTFY

There's no need to complicate the "I don't know" statement, unless one's intent is to construct a strawman or blur the other's position. Atheism doesn't imply a belief in any other origin theory, myth, or legend, much less the "Big Bang" specifically.


Also, "I don't know" is an agnostic response, not an atheist.
That's not quite right - "I don't and can't know" is the agnostic response. Strictly speaking, agnostics hold that the truth is not just unknown, but unknowable.

One can be an atheist, admit ignorance, and still believe that it may be possible to know the truth of our origin at some some point in humanity's future.

Atheism is typically no more complex than "I see no reason to believe in any gods, so I don't" and that is not incompatible with "I don't know where any of this stuff came from, and perhaps no one ever will" ... so atheists can be agnostics.

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FTFY

There's no need to complicate the "I don't know" statement, unless one's intent is to construct a strawman or blur the other's position. Atheism doesn't imply a belief in any other origin theory, myth, or legend, much less the "Big Bang" specifically.



That's not quite right - "I don't and can't know" is the agnostic response. Strictly speaking, agnostics hold that the truth is not just unknown, but unknowable.

One can be an atheist, admit ignorance, and still believe that it may be possible to know the truth of our origin at some some point in humanity's future.

Atheism is typically no more complex than "I see no reason to believe in any gods, so I don't" and that is not incompatible with "I don't know where any of this stuff came from, and perhaps no one ever will" ... so atheists can be agnostics.

We'll agree to disagree.
 
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We'll agree to disagree.
I'm not clear on exactly what we're disagreeing about.

The definition of agnostic?
- http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/agnostic "a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience"
- http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agnostic "a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable"
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism Agnosticism is the view that the truth values of certain claims – especially metaphysical and religious claims such as whether or not God, the divine or the supernatural exist – are unknown and perhaps unknowable."

Or the assertion that atheists collectively "believe in" any particular origin theory, such as the Big Bang?

Or just the overall issue that you believe in a god and I don't?

I'm happy to agree to disagree on that last point. Or, if you were just politely disengaging from the discussion, of course that's OK too.
 
"I'm happy to agree to disagree on that last point. Or, if you were just politely disengaging from the discussion, of course that's OK too."

I too am happy to disagree amicably, in particular on the assertion:

"The weaker among you point to a nebulous historic record and pretend it is evidence of supernatural powers"

if only by offering a few of the many counterexamples including Kurt Goedel, Charles Townes and John Polkinghorne.
 
I'm not clear on exactly what we're disagreeing about.

The definition of agnostic?
- http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/agnostic "a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience"
- http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/agnostic "a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable"
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism Agnosticism is the view that the truth values of certain claims – especially metaphysical and religious claims such as whether or not God, the divine or the supernatural exist – are unknown and perhaps unknowable."

Or the assertion that atheists collectively "believe in" any particular origin theory, such as the Big Bang?

Or just the overall issue that you believe in a god and I don't?

I'm happy to agree to disagree on that last point. Or, if you were just politely disengaging from the discussion, of course that's OK too.

I think you're trying to reinvent the wheel here. I'm merely saying the literal interpretation of "atheist" applies to my original assertion. Saying "I don't know" is an agnostic response, not an atheistic response. Atheists reject the presence of a deity. Let's not complicate the issue.
 
I think you're trying to reinvent the wheel here. I'm merely saying the literal interpretation of "atheist" applies to my original assertion. Saying "I don't know" is an agnostic response, not an atheistic response. Atheists reject the presence of a deity. Let's not complicate the issue.

Who the **** cares? jesus
 
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