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Hey all,
As a vet student, what do you have to do within vet school to improve your chances of getting into a good internship/residency (e.g. opthalmology, surgery)? Do you have to do research and get published during your 4 years of vet school?
Do residencies look at how prestigious your vet school is in determining who to accept? For example, would residencies be less willing to accept a graduate from Western U over someone who graduated from Ohio, Washington, or Tufts?
What are the technical requirements for getting into a match/internship/residency?
Thanks!
No one wants to work with a dingus or someone who can't talk well with patients.
Not true based on feedback from current interns, residents, program directors. Good LORs>GPA.Order of importance for each:
To get an internship - 1) GPA/class rank high as possible, 2) good letters of recommendation, 3) have a good reputation on clinics amongst the faculty
To get a residency - 1) GPA/class rank high as possible, 2) good letters of recommendation, 3) have a good reputation on clinics amongst the faculty, 4) publish a paper at some point
I was a mess in vet school and none of these things really were true for me except for #3 each time. I'm doing a neuro residency now, but I had to grind a little extra and get lucky. The easier path is what I laid out.
Not true based on feedback from current interns, residents, program directors. Good LORs>GPA.
I think there's a big difference between a 2.3 and a 3.3 in terms of competitiveness. I don't think a 3.3 will get you screened out of a ton of internships, but a 2.3 sure will. I'm not sure what you mean by "horrific," lol. There's probably a diminishing return on GPA. Anything over 3.5, you're probably fine. I'm sitting at a 3.4 currently and hoping I make the cut. I think you would struggle for sure with <3.0 but I don't think a 3.4 will keep me out of the running by any means (especially at competitive private practice internships).Good stuff. Glad it worked out for you. In my experience applying for internships, I was screened and filtered out before even getting an interview at many many places I was interested in. They all said the same thing, which was they have so many applicants that they have to use GPA as a way to filter out the applicant pool (my GPA was horrific coming out of school). It sucked but it also lit a fire under my ass and I turned things around (currently a 2nd year neuro resident at a private practice).
Just curious...was he/she speaking to private practice as well as academic internships/residencies? Just residencies? Seems like the match rate for internships is ~50% and the match rate for residencies is ~33% (from the data I have). Honestly, I doubt 50% of people matching are in the top 25% of their classes. Lol.Like people have said, programs are starting to look more at class rank. One clinician told me that the top 10% are highly likely to match, top 25% have a good chance, top 50% have an okay chance, and >50%..well.. good luck.
He wasn't clear. It was an ECCM clinician at MSU who routinely gives a talk about internships/residencies.Just curious...was he/she speaking to private practice as well as academic internships/residencies? Just residencies? Seems like the match rate for internships is ~50% and the match rate for residencies is ~33% (from the data I have). Honestly, I doubt 50% of people matching are in the top 25% of their classes. Lol.
first off, you are CRAZY [have you been through an internal med rotation yet? or just the classes? because I love internal medicine in theory, but really despise it in practice, which i find very interesting]I'm considering pursuing an internship and a residency in SA Internal Med (Why? Great question! I can't figure it out either) and it would be nice to have a good idea of what a competitive GPA is. I want to be competitive, but I refuse to kill myself trying to get all A's if I don't need them to get where I want to go in my career.
first off, you are CRAZY [have you been through an internal med rotation yet? or just the classes? because I love internal medicine in theory, but really despise it in practice, which i find very interesting]
there's probably not a single "competitive" GPA, but it also probably varies between academia and private practice. one thing you have in your favor is that there are a lot more residency spots for SAIM than a lot of the specialties. i also saw multiple listings for unmatched SAIM (and ECC) residencies after match date this year and last year. i have heard that SAIM is quickly becoming an oversaturated field though, so that might be something to consider when you're thinking about the residency route. also, if theres any chance you'd want to go the academia route, you need to be killing yourself for As. you pretty much need to do your residency (and +/-internship) in academia to work in academia nowadays. pay isnt as great and your responsibilities would be very different (teaching/lecturing vet students, research/publication, mentoring residents, usually not seeing cases as primary clinician but rather overseeing the interns and residents through their cases).
Well. Some of us like that type of thing. And consider it a betterment to the future generation of vets. I don't know exactly what the OP's intent is here, but the phrasing here seems a bit negative.
first off, you are CRAZY [have you been through an internal med rotation yet? or just the classes? because I love internal medicine in theory, but really despise it in practice, which i find very interesting]
there's probably not a single "competitive" GPA, but it also probably varies between academia and private practice. one thing you have in your favor is that there are a lot more residency spots for SAIM than a lot of the specialties. i also saw multiple listings for unmatched SAIM (and ECC) residencies after match date this year and last year. i have heard that SAIM is quickly becoming an oversaturated field though, so that might be something to consider when you're thinking about the residency route. also, if theres any chance you'd want to go the academia route, you need to be killing yourself for As. you pretty much need to do your residency (and +/-internship) in academia to work in academia nowadays. pay isnt as great and your responsibilities would be very different (teaching/lecturing vet students, research/publication, mentoring residents, usually not seeing cases as primary clinician but rather overseeing the interns and residents through their cases).
At this point I just like it in theory, which is one reason I haven't settled on pursuing it for sure. I'll be doing a week rotation in Internal Med next semester though, so I'm hoping that will help.
I think I would like to go into academia because I would like to teach at some point. I didn't realize that academic residencies were more competitive.
i feel like most of the academic clinical residency listings i've seen include obtaining a non-thesis based masters. i think this might be a newer thing though. looks like of our boarded ACVIM clinicians, we have 9 total, 4 with PhDs, and 2 with just an MS listed.Be prepared for potentially needing an MS or PhD graduate degree on top of DVM + specialty if you want a professorship. It's not essential in all specialties, but it definitely opens up a lot more positions. Of the 13 ACVIM profs we have at my school, 7 of them also have MS degrees and 4 have PhDs.