second look??

[letsgomedical]

I was wondering if it is common for programs to send out second look invitations, and if it is, which programs tend to send out the invitations.
Also, how are you supposed to "keep in touch" with programs you are interested in?
I've already sent out thank-you emails and as i'm nearing the end of interview season, there are few programs I am definitely more interested in compared to others.
I'd appreciate any feedback.

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[Psych56]

I'm a current applicant. What I have done is email the PD and request a second look. I think it's an open invite kind of thing such that you can get a second look anywhere, you just have you request one.

As far as keeping in touch goes, after sending thank you letters, then getting a second look at your top one or two is probably sufficient. Getting a second look already says, "I'm interested enough in the program to come back." Then of course a thank you after the second look. I don't think any more correspondence is necessary.

 

[OldPsychDoc]

In general, a second look is completely unnecessary from the program's perspective. If YOU have additional questions that absolutely must be answered in person, then it's certainly OK to ask. I'd say that those only fall into the category of having missed a specific faculty person who will make or break the decision for you (and realistically, this should only apply to those with definite research interests, I think), or needing to get a better idea of the community for yourself or a spouse. But seriously, it doesn't show your love any more than it did showing up for the first interview and sending a polite follow-up thank you email.

 

[twright]

I was wondering if it is common for programs to send out second look invitations, and if it is, which programs tend to send out the invitations.
Also, how are you supposed to "keep in touch" with programs you are interested in?
I've already sent out thank-you emails and as i'm nearing the end of interview season, there are few programs I am definitely more interested in compared to others.
I'd appreciate any feedback.

At our program, "keep in touch" generky meant "let us know if you plan on ranking us 1st"

 

[notdeadyet]

But seriously, it doesn't show your love any more than it did showing up for the first interview and sending a polite follow-up thank you email.

Wholeheartedly agree with this. If you don't have a good communicated reason for as second look, requesting one can hurt as much as help. There have been cases in which folks requested a second look and the program went to great lengths to set up appointments at clinics and with faculty and the applicant looked bored or disengaged all day because they likely requested one in hopes of appearing more interested. This can cause resentment at any program or call into question how truly interested th individual is.

Like OPD mentions, if you have a strong need for a second look, there's no harm in asking. But don't do it in hopes of improving your position on the rank list. Most programs are going to rank agnostically.

 

[Psych56]

I have already scheduled a second look at my top program in hopes it would look like I'm more interested in the program. Of course, I plan to appear very interested during that day because it is my top choice! I hope I'm not shooting myself in the foot. Should I email the PD and tell them of my concerns? That I'm not doing a second look because I'm unsure but because I wanted them to know how interested I am?

 

[slappy]

Should I email the PD and tell them of my concerns? That I'm not doing a second look because I'm unsure but because I wanted them to know how interested I am?

I would say no. You can always email the PD after your second look, summarizing your experiences on that day, and how it solidified your decision to rank them #1. At least that is what I would do.

 

[notdeadyet]

I have already scheduled a second look at my top program in hopes it would look like I'm more interested in the program. Of course, I plan to appear very interested during that day because it is my top choice! I hope I'm not shooting myself in the foot. Should I email the PD and tell them of my concerns? That I'm not doing a second look because I'm unsure but because I wanted them to know how interested I am?

At this point, go there and do your thing. For others reading, the takeaway is that it's not necessary...

 

[NickNaylor]

Wholeheartedly agree with this. If you don't have a good communicated reason for as second look, requesting one can hurt as much as help. There have been cases in which folks requested a second look and the program went to great lengths to set up appointments at clinics and with faculty and the applicant looked bored or disengaged all day because they likely requested one in hopes of appearing more interested. This can cause resentment at any program or call into question how truly interested th individual is.

Like OPD mentions, if you have a strong need for a second look, there's no harm in asking. But don't do it in hopes of improving your position on the rank list. Most programs are going to rank agnostically.

This is pretty much we what we were told in our "applying to residency" advice panel with PDs. Granted many fields were represented, but the take home point was that you shouldn't routinely schedule second looks unless you have a very real reason to do so. As mentioned, it requires extra time on the part of the program and faculty/staff as well as the time and cost from you yourself. Most of the PDs recommended that you not schedule second looks under any circumstances. YMMV.

 

[Psych56]

Great, well hopefully the PD at my top program isn't annoyed by me at all. I feel like I committed such an egregious act.

 

[OldPsychDoc]

Great, well hopefully the PD at my top program isn't annoyed by me at all. I feel like I committed such an egregious act.

If it were egregious, they wouldn't have scheduled it at all. Look at it this way, they clearly wish to accomodate your interest in them--so make the most of it, so that it doesn't go down as a waste of your time and their effort. Relax, enjoy, and be kind.
We frequently get requests, but we try to talk applicants out of it--for their sake as much as ours. It's pretty clear that most of them really do have the idea that they're "supposed to" do it, rather than having one of those strongly compelling reasons to do so.

 

[Psych56]

If it were egregious, they wouldn't have scheduled it at all. Look at it this way, they clearly wish to accomodate your interest in them--so make the most of it, so that it doesn't go down as a waste of your time and their effort. Relax, enjoy, and be kind.
We frequently get requests, but we try to talk applicants out of it--for their sake as much as ours. It's pretty clear that most of them really do have the idea that they're "supposed to" do it, rather than having one of those strongly compelling reasons to do so.

That makes me feel a lot better. Thank you.

 

[Psychczar]

We frequently get requests, but we try to talk applicants out of it--for their sake as much as ours. It's pretty clear that most of them really do have the idea that they're "supposed to" do it, rather than having one of those strongly compelling reasons to do so.

What are some compelling reasons to do so (I saw research mentioned as one)?

I plan to visit two cities again so my wife can see them, and I requested second looks at both programs since I was going there anyway. Can you ask for specifics from a program, like sitting in on grand rounds or didactics, attending morning rounds, or touring other sites, or should you just tell the PD you're visiting the city again and leave it at that? I haven't heard back from one place and after reading this thread am debating whether I should follow up or let it go.

 

[Psychczar]

Any thoughts?

 

[OldPsychDoc]

What are some compelling reasons to do so (I saw research mentioned as one)?

I plan to visit two cities again so my wife can see them, and I requested second looks at both programs since I was going there anyway. Can you ask for specifics from a program, like sitting in on grand rounds or didactics, attending morning rounds, or touring other sites, or should you just tell the PD you're visiting the city again and leave it at that? I haven't heard back from one place and after reading this thread am debating whether I should follow up or let it go.

That's one. The other is to meet with specific faculty that you are truly expecting to work with, typically only if you're seeking research mentorship.

 

[mosbius designs]

Sorry to bump an old thread. But just wanted to ask for the expert opinion on requesting a 2nd visit to get a better feel for the residents. Deciding b/w 2 programs to rank #1, and feel like I got a much better feel for the residents at one versus the other. Thoughts?

 

[Psych747]

I am very interested in a top research program. I went there for a second look. I emailed PD that his program is my #1 choice for xyz reasons. He acknowledged my #1 choice in his program and that I will do well in his program. He then says "If the Match computers assign you to us we would be happy to provide you with your training."

I do not know if there is any hope. I stayed in touch with this program throughout the season before and after second look.

Should I also email the Dept Chair?
I don't want to look desperate. PD is aware of my interest, not sure if an email to Chair will be useful?

 

[splik]

ouch. no don't email the dept chair. what good do you think it will do?

 

[Psych747]

ouch. no don't email the dept chair. what good do you think it will do?

I don't know if it will do harm or help, it's out of desperation. PD knows of my interest, I hope 2nd look will help me match there. Not sure if I should still email chair or faculty to express #1?

 

[Psych747]

No one likes desperation. It isn't going to help you match, they will make their list as they see fit and hopefully things will work in your favor. but emailing the chair is not going to sway things. they probably aren't even involved in the process at all.

Chair interviewed me and said I can request a second look med-Jan which I did - met PD again, shadowed consult team and attended didactics. I did thank attending I was shadowing as well as the chief resident whom I was with and let them know it's my top choice.

I agree emailing chair might be too much as PD replied to my #1 email neutrally but Atleast knows of my interest.

 

[Shikima]

no one cares about your interest. why ask a question if you're not prepared to listen to the answer.

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[Merovinge]

Chair interviewed me and said I can request a second look med-Jan which I did - met PD again, shadowed consult team and attended didactics. I did thank attending I was shadowing as well as the chief resident whom I was with and let them know it's my top choice.

I agree emailing chair might be too much as PD replied to my #1 email neutrally but Atleast knows of my interest.

Might be? It's a good thing you posted on here, because just reading your posts scares me a bit. There are a lot of great psych programs and you will never know what you missed out on in the match, but you will very likely come to like where you are. The best way to NOT match where you want to is to continue to pester them and be needy.

 

[Psych747]

Might be? It's a good thing you posted on here, because just reading your posts scares me a bit. There are a lot of great psych programs and you will never know what you missed out on in the match, but you will very likely come to like where you are. The best way to NOT match where you want to is to continue to pester them and be needy.

Agree not sending another email to chair. Yes there are very good program but due to location and family constraints this is the only good option I am ranking highest

 

[HarryMTieboutMD]

Agree not sending another email to chair. Yes there are very good program but due to location and family constraints this is the only good option I am ranking highest

Just calm down and don't read too much into things. Most programs probably have a good idea about where people are going to fall on their rank lists... probably the one thing that *would* get you moved down is being overly annoying with communication (remember PDs are academic physicians with lots of other things to do besides coddle neurotic applicants). Make your rank list, and enjoy the rest of 4th year.