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I can't stop watching this .gif
Exactly. Boyd probably doesn't care about MD/DO, and it's not like he'll go to his colleagues and say "LOOK GUYS! I'M AN MD FROM CARIBBEAN NOW!" It's just money at the end of the day.Boyd probably did it to enhance his business. Can you blame him? Probably not.
But wait, it gets worse! Did a quick search of the OPs previous posts and apparently he was accepted to CCOM and NYCOM as well!! (http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=12299565).
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Where can i find this? I keep coming back to this thread just to watch it. I freaken Love it
I'm going to go with SGU. Who wouldn't want an MD after their name!?
This has to be trolling. No way someone got into DO school being this clueless having never done any research on the subject and that asks DO's for their opinion on Caribbean vs DO.
i do know of ppl that didnt even apply to DO schools and went to carribean even tho i told them to apply to some DO programs... but i believe in doin what makes u happy so if u think goin to a DO school wud make u unhappy then by all means go to SGU or whatever but when u have to get a 99% or whatever it is on the USMLE to even be considered to an avg medical student in the US... then dont tell me i didnt tell u so
i think i'm playing it safe and not taking a gamble by going to the DO route knowing that if this law passes, doors to all the ACGME residencies will be closed
A few DO like NYCOM have 300 seats...but really holy crap, SGU graduates 800-900?! With carib level attrition that means they take well over 1100 people per class!! How the hell does anyone learn anything with that many class mates?? Anatomy lab must absolutely suck; there's no way they have enough cadavers for those kinds of numbers. Frankly, I find it funny that this thread exists at all.
Where can i find this? I keep coming back to this thread just to watch it. I freaken Love it
It's from youtube
Accepted to NYCOM, CCOM and KCUMB.....and he went to SGU....... Yes this movie is a perfect response. OP, I'm sorry for you really I am. You obviously have rejected what everyone here states (yes some are not worth listening to) but others are worth their weight in gold.
Accepted to NYCOM, CCOM and KCUMB.....and he went to SGU....... Yes this movie is a perfect response. OP, I'm sorry for you really I am. You obviously have rejected what everyone here states (yes some are not worth listening to) but others are worth their weight in gold.
Here's one more pic to describe my thoughts..... Good luck finding residency here in the States.....
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I agree that the OP is in for a rude awakening come 4th year. Although SGU has a tempestuous campaign for their school, I truly believe that they will start losing out very quickly especially with the residency changes ahead (clearly we missed this part as well when reading the report on the future perspective for FMGs vs. DOs).That is gonna be the cleanest saltwater ever...
I did a rotation at UMKC-St Luke's this past year. They had all sorts of SABA kids there. They would make snide comments about DOs, even though for several years the IM program at UMKC has had DOs as Chief Resident. Anyway, I always laughed when they complained about having made 260's on Step I, but only being able to get FM residency interviews. It was also funny when they said they had the same stats, applied to 50 programs, yet only got 6 or 7 interviews... The OP is gonna have an ugly reality come 4th year...
Anyone know anything about this school?
Just graduated their first class. I severely doubt the class size was 12... but I'll let their own website speak for itself "Eight of the twelve students who participated in the 2012 NRMP Main Match obtained a first-year residency position."
They have "a newly renovated lecture hall with seating for over 200," plus "two newly renovated, 80-seat lecture halls." And only 8 people found jobs.
Religious thread. I said things people didn't like which didn't violate the TOS, but the mod said he got a lot of complaints about it. BS is if you ask me.Triagepremed has his account on hold?? I wonder what happened?
What will I do without that cat avatar.
There's a religious thread? I need to get out on SDN more I guess.Religious thread. I said things people didn't like which didn't violate the TOS, but the mod said he got a lot of complaints about it. BS is if you ask me.
things like that make me wonder how I havent been put on time out yet...
If you go SGU you will likely have major problems obtaining even a primary care residency.
If you could only pick one thing to wake up to sitting on your desk right next to your head, what would you pick?
KCUMB:
or SGU:
Flaw 2 is that you're citing SGU's tracking of people into fellowships. Fellowships are (mostly) due to your residency performance and connections, and not your med school anything.
This may sound biased as I am currently a student at KCUMB
Ouch. I hope a FP residency in rural North Dakota is your dream match. At least it'll be ACGME.
So hows the koolaid taste? Ive never had any but im pretty sure a straw man would like it. Maybe in 3 years when Im applying for residency ill try some, but ill probably be too busy getting a job.606 matches in the SGU match list, assuming 7% attrition (self reported) (please cite another source or don't complain about the numbers), that means 93% matched with at least primary care. That is by no means major problems.
Out of the 606 matches, 303 were in primary care, meaning 50% went on to non-IM/FM/Peds matches. Compare that with the "clearly superior" kcumb - where 101 of 227 matches were in primary care - meaning 56% went to non-IM/FM/Peds.
I see 4 Einstein, 2 Baylor, 1 Mayo Clinic(!), 10 Sinai, 1 UCSF(!), 1 U Chicago match at SGU (top name programs).
I see 2 Baylor, 2 Mayo (!), 1 Barns Jewish, 1 Case at kcumb. Still not a clear advantage for either
There couldn't be anyone more biased than DocEspana, who as a committee chairman on the medical student society of NY actively lobbies against FMG's in New York, upset at their presence in New York City hospitals.
Please explain how tracking a physician's success over the entire career is flawed? You seem to be telling me that it would be flawed to say SGU's fellowships make it superior because SGU students have superior residency performance and connections. Would you like to stand by your statement that residency performance is irrespective of your med school?
You couldn't be as biased as DocEspaña, and it's always good to have a current student's perspective.
The irony when you read the match list: One FP residency in North Dakota out of 606 for SGU, one FP residency in South Dakota out of 227 for KCUMB.
Examples of SGU's 3rd and 4th year clinical sites are New Jersey Medical School, which boasts some of the most hands on clinical training in the country, and New York City Public Hospitals, at spots once coveted by NYC Medical Schools - part of the problem DocEspana is crusading to fix.
606 matches in the SGU match list, assuming 7% attrition (self reported) (please cite another source or don't complain about the numbers), that means 93% matched with at least primary care. That is by no means major problems.I've always said just check their website, where they brag that they enroll approximately 4,000 medical students. Its funny cause their admission page is 100% honest about how many they enroll, and their graduation data always seems to be missing about 400-500 students per year when compared to the figures on other parts of their site. Sources on the inside have always told me that number is likely closer to 5,000.
Well lets go right to the only source that matters. The school themselves commenting to the New York Times. They *brag* about training 4,500 medical students over 4 years. That's over 1,100 students per class (again, graduating class size... ~600). And in addition, New York State admits that it trained around 900 3rd year medical students in its hospital system last year.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/05/n...ith-st-georges-university-medical-school.html
Out of the 606 matches, 303 were in primary care, meaning 50% went on to non-IM/FM/Peds matches. Compare that with the "clearly superior" kcumb - where 101 of 227 matches were in primary care - meaning 56% went to non-IM/FM/Peds.
I'll be 100% honest with you. I haven't run SGU's 2012 numbers. Just not something I've felt up to doing yet. I will say that their 2010 match was 505 matches, of which 336 (66.5%) students went into primary care. The real kicker is 2011 when 661 people matched from SGU and 451 (81.8%!!!!) matched into IM, FM, or Peds.
if youre curious, just press the back button on your own link to check out the previous years. here is the link in case you're disinclined to check my work. https://baysgu35.sgu.edu/ERD/2011/ResidPost.nsf/BYPGY?OpenView&RestrictToCategory=PGY1&Count=-1
There couldn't be anyone more biased than DocEspana, who as a committee chairman on the medical student society of NY actively lobbies against FMG's in New York, upset at their presence in New York City hospitals.
Absolutely true. I find that its hard to debate the cold hard stats though. I let them do the talking, rather than appealing to ethos. At least in the political forums. Here I definitely appeal to ethos because this is a completely off the record (I hope and pray) forum where I can have a bit of leeway with the rhetoric.
But yea, I am hugely biased. There is no doubt. Perhaps I am the most biased student in NY. Which is why it always shocks people to know that I train with Ross students and they're some of my best friends. They sort of understand I hate their school for political reasons. They're cool we still have chicken wings together.
Please explain how tracking a physician's success over the entire career is flawed? You seem to be telling me that it would be flawed to say SGU's fellowships make it superior because SGU students have superior residency performance and connections. Would you like to stand by your statement that residency performance is irrespective of your med school?
Simply noting that residency is based on your medical school performance. Fellowship is pretty unanimously agreed to be almost entirely independent of your medical school experience and based on your experience in residency. It would absolutely be flaws to say that SGU has fellowships. Forget applying qualitative measures to them. SGU doesn't have fellowships, period. Hospitals have them, SGU doesn't have any hospitals (this would apply to most any school unless the fellowship is literally in your home hospital). Once you're a hospital affiliate trying to get a fellowship, where you came from is rather irrelevant, fellowships are merit and opportunity based. You perform and you're in the right program, you get it.
I have yet to see any data comparing caribbean schools and DO schools for fellowship attainment. I would assume DO residents would flog the caribbean trained counterparts in such a comparison, but I honestly have no raw data to base that assumption on. If you want I could probably find it. All that data is out there, just a matter of collecting it, double checking the stats with a second reliable source, and comparing.
You couldn't be as biased as DocEspaña, and it's always good to have a current student's perspective.
I got into all of this not because of anything local to my own school, but because a few of my friends from undergrad went to Ross and SGU and were booted out. One made it through SGU to the end just now (he's a year older than me). They have been giving me info from the inside from the start. and at least one of them is very happy with his outcome, so its not *all* disgruntled students.
The irony when you read the match list: One FP residency in North Dakota out of 606 for SGU, one FP residency in South Dakota out of 227 for KCUMB.
Examples of SGU's 3rd and 4th year clinical sites are New Jersey Medical School, which boasts some of the most hands on clinical training in the country, and New York City Public Hospitals, at spots once coveted by NYC Medical Schools - part of the problem DocEspana is crusading to fix.
Part of the problem the AMA (as of this june. <crosses fingers>) is crusading to fix. As for the NY stuff, don't confuse politics with quality. The NYC HHC system, outside of bellevue, is a big mess of completely crappy hospitals. But its horrendous politics to have NY students training outside of our own state and then being yelled at for going into residencies outside of our own state when these programs are there. There is a PR component of all of this. From an academic point of view, I'd rather train in north jersey than an HHC hospital. From a "big picture" and "politics" point of view, New York students should have New York hospitals available to fulfill the promises made by these medical schools in their school mission statements.
And NJMS isn't any better. Please don't forget NJMS is famous for being completely and totally bankrupt, being constantly threatened with being bought by other universities every year, and recently had most of their deans thrown in prison for money laundering and bribery of public officials to try to get better funding for their run down hospitals. (Caveat: none of that applies to RWJ, which can print its own money, or so I'm told)
606 matches in the SGU match list, assuming 7% attrition (self reported) (please cite another source or don't complain about the numbers), that means 93% matched with at least primary care. That is by no means major problems.
Out of the 606 matches, 303 were in primary care, meaning 50% went on to non-IM/FM/Peds matches. Compare that with the "clearly superior" kcumb - where 101 of 227 matches were in primary care - meaning 56% went to non-IM/FM/Peds.
I see 4 Einstein, 2 Baylor, 1 Mayo Clinic(!), 10 Sinai, 1 UCSF(!), 1 U Chicago match at SGU (top name programs).
I see 2 Baylor, 2 Mayo (!), 1 Barns Jewish, 1 Case at kcumb. Still not a clear advantage for either
There couldn't be anyone more biased than DocEspana, who as a committee chairman on the medical student society of NY actively lobbies against FMG's in New York, upset at their presence in New York City hospitals.
Please explain how tracking a physician's success over the entire career is flawed? You seem to be telling me that it would be flawed to say SGU's fellowships make it superior because SGU students have superior residency performance and connections. Would you like to stand by your statement that residency performance is irrespective of your med school?
You couldn't be as biased as DocEspaña, and it's always good to have a current student's perspective.
The irony when you read the match list: One FP residency in North Dakota out of 606 for SGU, one FP residency in South Dakota out of 227 for KCUMB.
Examples of SGU's 3rd and 4th year clinical sites are New Jersey Medical School, which boasts some of the most hands on clinical training in the country, and New York City Public Hospitals, at spots once coveted by NYC Medical Schools - part of the problem DocEspana is crusading to fix.
not sure where all these numbers came from. Did you look through the list? It is almost entirely FM/peds/IM/EM. a few psych thrown in there but I wouldnt get too excited about that.
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2. Can we PLEASE get away from using primary care matches as a surrogate for the crappiness of one's school? That's about as misguided as all the *****s who use US News and World Report's rankings, which are mostly based on research dollars, to gauge the quality of an education one gets at a medical school. If I took the 10 smartest people in my class, a solid half of them CHOSE to go into FM. I know that's crazy, and that on these boards everyone feels the need to develop a metric of Ophtho+Derm+Ortho+Hopkins/class size to have a penis-measuring contest about their school but please, GIVE IT UP!!! I promise that once you're actually out doing aways and comparing specialties and programs for possible residency landing spots that your perceptions are going to change drastically.
I dont see why we wouldnt consider it primary care.... maybe not by convention, but in practice they are pretty primary lol. Also not terribly difficult to match relatively speaking (not knocking it... I am considering EM) but it is what it is. Collectively their match list has an average USMLE score (by averages of specialty) of around 215.... (shot from the hip).
that isnt particularly good.
606 matches in the SGU match list, assuming 7% attrition (self reported) (please cite another source or don't complain about the numbers), that means 93% matched with at least primary care. That is by no means major problems.
Out of the 606 matches, 303 were in primary care, meaning 50% went on to non-IM/FM/Peds matches. Compare that with the "clearly superior" kcumb - where 101 of 227 matches were in primary care - meaning 56% went to non-IM/FM/Peds.
I see 4 Einstein, 2 Baylor, 1 Mayo Clinic(!), 10 Sinai, 1 UCSF(!), 1 U Chicago match at SGU (top name programs).
I see 2 Baylor, 2 Mayo (!), 1 Barns Jewish, 1 Case at kcumb. Still not a clear advantage for either
There couldn't be anyone more biased than DocEspana, who as a committee chairman on the medical student society of NY actively lobbies against FMG's in New York, upset at their presence in New York City hospitals.
Please explain how tracking a physician's success over the entire career is flawed? You seem to be telling me that it would be flawed to say SGU's fellowships make it superior because SGU students have superior residency performance and connections. Would you like to stand by your statement that residency performance is irrespective of your med school?
You couldn't be as biased as DocEspaña, and it's always good to have a current student's perspective.
The irony when you read the match list: One FP residency in North Dakota out of 606 for SGU, one FP residency in South Dakota out of 227 for KCUMB.
Examples of SGU's 3rd and 4th year clinical sites are New Jersey Medical School, which boasts some of the most hands on clinical training in the country, and New York City Public Hospitals, at spots once coveted by NYC Medical Schools - part of the problem DocEspana is crusading to fix.
Thank you!!! Last time I checked, IM was the gateway to a crap-ton of difficult fellowships. Also, some oddballs pick happiness/enjoyment over prestige. Those poor bastards... those poor happiness-seeking, aloof, full head of hair bastards...
WHOA WUbear coming out of left field in defense of SGU!?! Kind of weird. I thought you were at NJMS in Newark (MD)? Really curious about the sudden appearance in a forum where you never (or rarely) post. What is the motivation behind this? Seriously.
Why neglect to see that 1100- 606= 494 up $#!+'s creek with paddles this deep ---> ] ???
The point in using that as a comparison is not to say that everyone doing lower competitive specialties was forced to do so by scores. It is that there is an expected number of people that would shoot for other more competitive specialties and these people either did not match or did not attempt. While the end result may seem similar the thinking is quite different
Wow, thank you. I never would have understood that unless you had spelled it out for me, but now that you have, it all makes PERFECT sense. *sarcasm*
Sorry for the snippiness. I understand the point, I'm just hoping to expose its fallacy. There is no "expected number of people that would shoot for other more competitive specialties" and claiming so exposes your lack of understanding of the true reality, as does your inference that scores are the primary factor for deciding someone's match. Yes, scores are a piece of the puzzle, but especially in the DO world, they are FAR from everything that determines what programs/specialties someone gets accepted to. Of the 10 people in our class who had the best boards/grades/etc, most are not going into something "competitive" because they CHOSE something else. I would literally kill myself if I was forced into a career of Ophtho, Derm, or Radiology. Sure, maybe I'm the exception, but I don't think so. Look at our match list. There are a TON of people in our class doing less-competitive things at solid places, and a lot of others that went to places with lesser reputations because their priority was geography.
I'm not going to belabor the point because I know the old adage about arguing on the internet and the Special Olympics, but I implore you to please stop this nonsense back and forth about this topic that has been beaten to death and is 3/4 decomposed already.