Subspecialities in pathology and salary and job description

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Hello I am interested in pathology. When I look at subspecialities in this field, could not find much info on what to expect in those subspecialities and what is the salary range. I hope some one will be able to help. thx!

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1 bil-li-on dollars [/end Dr. Evil impersonation].

Seriously, no one can answer this question-- too many factors.
 
1 bil-li-on dollars [/end Dr. Evil impersonation].

Seriously, no one can answer this question-- too many factors.

I was actually thinking this would be a funny thing to post...

something like starting pathology attending=160
-40k for academic
+75k for dermpath
+20k for cytology
+20k for private group (vs hospital emp)


just as a game and so people stop asking...
But I don't have time to figure anything better than those random number right now..
 
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just as a game and so people stop asking...
But I don't have time to figure anything better than those random number right now..

Hehe, if only you hadn't added the disclaimer at the bottom... it probably would've worked. We could've just added it to the FAQ. :)

Maybe a salary formula?

AvgPathologistSalary = $150k(X) +/- 3%

Where X is a variable depending on the individual's skill, training, board certification, and position... the 3% is for random variation :)

BH
 
I was actually thinking this would be a funny thing to post...

something like starting pathology attending=160
-40k for academic
+75k for dermpath
+20k for cytology
+20k for private group (vs hospital emp)


just as a game and so people stop asking...
But I don't have time to figure anything better than those random number right now..

Hey djmd, but what if you are combo trained… say in GI, GU and DP?
What ever happened to DPL?
 
Hey djmd, but what if you are combo trained… say in GI, GU and DP?
What ever happened to DPL?

+10k, +0k, and covered above... (actually DP + other things would be -20k to DP)

oh and I have no idea... finally gave up pretending to be ultra-resident??



docbiohazard said:
Maybe a salary formula?

AvgPathologistSalary = $150k(X) +/- 3%

AvgPathologistSalary = ($150k+ fellow/workplace mod)*(X) +/- 3%

X range = {.85-1.05}
 
wow! funny! i was just trying to get an idea.. cudn't even find anything when i was searching... for IM everything is posted and for other subspecialities in other fields... but path it seems there is no info on subspecialities at all.. so was wondering...
 
wow! funny! i was just trying to get an idea.. cudn't even find anything when i was searching... for IM everything is posted and for other subspecialities in other fields... but path it seems there is no info on subspecialities at all.. so was wondering...

path is a much smaller field than even many of the IM specialties. also, many path subspecialties aren't board-certified, so there's much less standardization. few pathologists make the massive amounts of money surgical subspecialties do, but they usually make more than primary care people. also, i take solace that i've never passed a person on a street corner holding a sign saying, "will read shave biopsies for food"
 
I was actually thinking this would be a funny thing to post...

something like starting pathology attending=160
-40k for academic
+75k for dermpath
+20k for cytology
+20k for private group (vs hospital emp)


just as a game and so people stop asking...
But I don't have time to figure anything better than those random number right now..

i know this was not supposed to be semi random but i think you have unwittingly gotten it pretty much correct
 
i know this was not supposed to be semi random but i think you have unwittingly gotten it pretty much correct


Alright random wasn't the right term... about best QD estimates...

Unwittingly.. ouch.
:smuggrin:
 
CAP actually has a good report on their website about salary by specialty, experience, practice setting, sex, age etc. You have to have a CAP login to get to it though. Interestingly they don't have neuropath, forensic, peds which are all seperately boarded specialties. However, the report says 1000 people responded... probably they dind't get enough from those specialties to include the data.

Also interesting to me is one of the attendings sitting here now is saying people underreport their salary and he's laughing at the median of dermpaths and others saying they had to offer their new derms more than their reported mean.

Not that I want to wade into the jobs available argument but for the specialty I'm going into I already have several contacts through attendings here for spots that have been trying to be filled for several years. One group in particular has signed people for their position (which is reported to be similar to the arrangement here -- which is super sweet) and had them not show up because they got better offers.
 
CAP actually has a good report on their website about salary by specialty, experience, practice setting, sex, age etc. You have to have a CAP login to get to it though. Interestingly they don't have neuropath, forensic, peds which are all seperately boarded specialties. However, the report says 1000 people responded... probably they dind't get enough from those specialties to include the data.

Also interesting to me is one of the attendings sitting here now is saying people underreport their salary and he's laughing at the median of dermpaths and others saying they had to offer their new derms more than their reported mean.

Not that I want to wade into the jobs available argument but for the specialty I'm going into I already have several contacts through attendings here for spots that have been trying to be filled for several years. One group in particular has signed people for their position (which is reported to be similar to the arrangement here -- which is super sweet) and had them not show up because they got better offers.

Yeah I just took a look at the new CAP survey. First time I've ever seen it broken down by subspecialty.
 
GI, GU, and Breast all out performed Derm in terms of $$, but all were in the same range. I think the moral of the story is those practicing in a subspecialty area made considerably more than the generalists.
i am not too sure you can believe those kind of surveys at all
 
How can there be that many Breast subspecialists, for example, when there are only a handful of Breast fellowships. The way I interpret those data, is that among CAP members, those that see a significant amount of Breast specimens, and are claiming to represent that subspecialty, have income that tends to be higher than average.
 

Thanks, yaah. I had looked around for awhile, but couldn't find it.

It's definitely an interesting survey. The finding that senior pathologist incomes are growing while newbie incomes are decreasing seem to support LADoc's assertion that some of the older barons are getting rich off the new talent.
 
Also interesting to me is one of the attendings sitting here now is saying people underreport their salary and he's laughing at the median of dermpaths and others saying they had to offer their new derms more than their reported mean.

Are you in academics? If so, are you telling me that there are starting dermpaths in academics making more than $348,000 (as that CAP survey states)?
 
Would anybody care to share this information with the rest of the board? Not everyone has access.:confused:
 
Sorry, it is confidential and for CAP members only.
 
Sorry, it is confidential and for CAP members only.


Thanks for your help :rolleyes:

So a google search brings up this: from a recruit power point by the ascp which quotes the CAP salary survey, whether this year or last year.


Type of Practice

.•.Solo 7%
.•.Pathology Group 67%
.•.Multispecialty Group 7%
.•.Medical School 10%
.•.Hospital 10%
.•.Independent Laboratory 9%
.•.Locum Tenens 1%
College of American Pathologists Survey, N=940



Pathology Practice Demographics
Practice Size
.•.Solo 7%
.•.2 11%
.•.3-4 25%
.•.5-6 18%
.•.7-10 13%
.•.11 or more 22%
College of American Pathologists Survey, N=940

Pathology Salaries

Median Income by Age
.•.All Ages $220,000
.•.< 40 $180,000
.•.40 – 49 $230,000
.•.50 – 59 $250,000
.•.>59 $200,000
College of American Pathologists Survey, N=940

Pathology Salaries
Income Information from Other Sources
AAMC (ASCP data)
.•.Range $127,000 to $314, 854
.•.Average $194,813
Pam Pohly’s Net Guide
.•.Average $194,813
.•.169,138 to $232,432
(Median, various sources, 1997 data)
.•.Pathology Workload
Mean hours per week 48 hrs
.•.Surgical Pathology 25.0
.•.Cytopathology 5.9
.•.Billable Clinical Pathology 2.6
.•.Clinical Pathology Management 7.4
.•.Teaching/Research 1.9
.•.Autopsy 2.1
.•.Other 3.1
Mean Total, Other Medical
Specialties 55 hrs
College of American Pathologists Survey, N=940


Pathology Resident Career Plans
.•.Pursue More Training 58%
.•.Private Practice 19%
.•.Academic Medicine 19%
.•.Military 2%
.•.Leave Pathology or US 1%
.•.Not yet employed 0.6%
AMA FRIEDA, N=351 Residents Completing Training


Pathology Training Programs
Total # of Residents 2,212
Avg. # per Program 14.3
Avg % Female 49.7%
Avg % IMG 57.1%
AMA FRIEDA, Training Program Survey


This seems to be consistent with the MGMA survey (most accurate source of physician salaries) stating a range of $193,000 - 350,000


This is the link for the MGMA survey:
http://www.merritthawkins.com/pdf/2005_Modern_Healthcare_Physician_Compensation_Review.pdf

This is the link for the CAP information quoted by the ASCP powerpoint

[SIZE=-1]www.pathology.ecu.edu/Public/resident/recruit.ppt[/SIZE]
 
Are you in academics? If so, are you telling me that there are starting dermpaths in academics making more than $348,000 (as that CAP survey states)?

No I'm not in academics... and so no I'm not telling you that. But since I was relaying info from one of my attendings, and I don't have access to the group's financial statements I can't tell you if he was exagerating for effect or being completely honest. I CAN tell you that even the dumbest residents who graduated from here (and being that we're a community hospital based program there have been some really really dumbfounding people in classes ahead of me) have all gotten jobs, and jobs that they were all happy - actually more like thrilled with - after fellowship.
 
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