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also a side note, I think I had the lowest applicant score on the spreadsheet from last years underdog thread of those who were accepted, so it's possible people!!
I enjoyed last year's thread and it gave me hope. So, I thought I would chime in for this cycle:
3.37 cGPA 3.21sGPA 31Q (13 8 10)
I don't think id call you an underdog, lol.
An MD underdog, maybe not DO.
I sure feel like one: 8 years out of college, CA resident who had to use 7 grade replacements over the last two years... I guess I can post in the success stories if I get in this cycle. =)
All my grades are final now, got a 4.0 this semester. Pumped.
Now I'm going to throw those at the AACOMAS and hope the numbers match what I told the OP.
2.4 cGpa
2.7 sGPa
35 mcat
I'd say I am an underdog lol
2.4 cGpa
2.7 sGPa
35 mcat
I'd say I am an underdog lol
Even with that rockin' MCAT you will get screened out due to both of your GPAs... You need to take some time to retake those classes, I would advise against applying this cycle.2.4 cGpa
2.7 sGPa
35 mcat
I'd say I am an underdog lol
Even with that rockin' MCAT you will get screened out due to both of your GPAs... You need to take some time to retake those classes, I would advise against applying this cycle.
wow, GREAT job with the MCAT! may i ask, what happened with the GPA?
I'm rooting for you underdogs! Especially you junkfoosow, those gpas are underdoggish if ever there were some but way to hit it out of the park on the MCAT! When you get your acceptance it'll give a lot of hope to the rest!
what did you use to study for the mcat? Damn man, lol.
Even with that rockin' MCAT you will get screened out due to both of your GPAs... You need to take some time to retake those classes, I would advise against applying this cycle.
You'll be more in debt when you can't find a job.I really don't want to get behind/get more in debt. I'd rather start medical school ASAP so I am seriously considering applying to Caribbeans even though I keep hearing its a bad idea
My sentiment exactly. Honestly as pre-meds we really don't know what area we will end up specializing in, so taking the opportunity of attending a US DO program far outweighs going Caribbean imo.You'll be more in debt when you can't find a job.
You'll be more in debt when you can't find a job.
Because a lot of people are misinformed or truly desperate gambling it. Both seem to be reasons driving you to consider it. Just like a politician, don't trust them based on talk. Trust based on evidence. 50% don't make it past MS2. About 25% of the original class of Caribbean students match each year, near exclusively at primary care because the specialty door is closed to them. Please research this thoroughly before accepting a Caribbean degree. If by then end you still feel it's right for you, I hope it works out for you.Why does anyone go to the Caribbean then? And what about all the Carib schools that boast about their high residency placement rates?
Why does anyone go to the Caribbean then? And what about all the Carib schools that boast about their high residency placement rates?
They had 1 derm in Canada in a period of like 20 years, so that's pretty bad to say the least. Sure, some people do well from the Caribbean, but that doesn't mean the majority do. This idea that it's the lazies that fail is prevailing, but the fact is that having 75% of your class not making it through or getting residency is failure beyond the individual. And what the hell is an Aneteliologist?I disagree. I know many people who went to Ross/StG, some are Family Practice, some are ER doc's and one is Anestetiologist. The problem is that people who are not cut out for medical school, will go to caribbean and expect an easy way to become a doctor. The truth is, there isn't an easy way to become a doctor. I think if you go to the caribbean, but you are an overall a good candidate but you have one thing lacking, like an MCAT score. You can be very successful. Ross/StG constantly release stats on residency matchings, there are people who get radiology, derm, ER, and other competitive residencies. I dont know about you guys, but I cannot see my self doing anything besides medicine. If it came down to it, you have to do whatever is necessary to achieve your dreams. If you want it bad enough, you will get it done however its necessary.
Doesn't qualify for underdog unless you score a 23 or below.cGPA: 3.65, sGPA: 3.45, publications, research, medical mission to central america, volunteering, shadowing, MCAT:TBD, but practices were 21-26.
Doesn't qualify for underdog unless you score a 23 or below.
Well, I will start the new underdog thread for the upcoming cycle. I hope everyone get accept into at least one school. I have a lot of free time upcoming summer/fall semester. I will not apply this cycle, but the 2013-2014 cycle.Good luck everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Copied from DJACK thread
"Please consider your statistics before posting in the thread. Each person has their own definition of what an Underdog is or should be. However, posting that you think you are an Underdog with a 32+ MCAT and a 3.5+ GPA doesn't exactly qualify you as one, and doesn't help anyone who is going to really struggle to get in.
When posting statistics to share on this thread, please post as like this:
sdn name- cGPA, sGPA, MCAT
That way this year we can also ensure everyone can use both the cGPA and sGPA as a reference, as well as the MCAT.
The Underdogs had great success last year and hopefully this year we can keep it up!
The Underdogs of 2012
SDN name/cGPA/sGPA/MCAT
MedPR: 3.20, 3.22, 28
Colesmalls: 3.26 3.23 TBD
mfas: 2.95, 3.48, 25
NurWollen: 3.46, 3.19, 29
DocFelt: 3.20 3.20 TBD (June 21st)
underdog12: 3.15, 2.95, 34
Temperature101: 3.15 , 3.28 TBD
Ibn Alnafis MD: 3.33, 3.35 TBD
wildcard0187: 3.24, 3.04 TBD
physcigirl27: 3.1, 2.66 28
LPpostbacc 3.14/3.76/TBD
Alexandriagrece: 3.46,3.32, 23T
Camshark: 3.22, 3.4 TBD
junkfoosow: 2.4, 2.7, 35
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I'm going to start this just to make sure it goes correctly. Whoever goes next feel free to delete my name/stats since I apparently don't qualify as an underdog even though I feel like one.
The Underdogs of 2012
SDN name/cGPA/sGPA/MCAT
MedPR: 3.20, 3.22, 28
They had 1 derm in Canada in a period of like 20 years, so that's pretty bad to say the least. Sure, some people do well from the Caribbean, but that doesn't mean the majority do. This idea that it's the lazies that fail is prevailing, but the fact is that having 75% of your class not making it through or getting residency is failure beyond the individual. And what the hell is an Aneteliologist?
Yes, but you have both a cGPA and an sGPA above the average of D.O. matriculation. I would suggest next time you ask why someone has that opinion instead of putting forth an attitude of "you're wrong."All of these are way above 23 Mcat
Sure, it is harder to get into Canada. I don't see what point you're trying to make. It has nothing to do with the only match that has existed in 20 years for both US and Canada.Thats Canada, from what I read, it is MUCH more competitive to get into a Med School in Canada then in the States. The problem is, the caribbean will accept almost anyone, most people are not smart or motivated enough to do it. The end result is the drop out/unsuccessful rate. Person with a high gpa, driven, motivated but has a bad MCAT score can be successful. I think its what you make of it, its not easy, you have to jump through more hoops. However, if you want it bad enough and are prepared for the hard work, you will be fine. Its the LAST, LAST case scenario.
Sure, it is harder to get into Canada. I don't see what point you're trying to make. It has nothing to do with the only match that has existed in 20 years for both US and Canada.
Fine, believe as you wish about the Caribbean. In fact, please go there. Many of us here in the forums have seen the actual data and discussed it ad nauseam, so we know the difference between your opinion and the facts. Believe it or not, St. George's actually has some pretty decent GPA/MCAT averages.
Yes, but you have both a cGPA and an sGPA above the average of D.O. matriculation. I would suggest next time you ask why someone has that opinion instead of putting forth an attitude of "you're wrong."
You can pretty much find all of it here: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=813819 I think the spreadsheets are magnificent to say the least.Would you mind sharing the data/previous threads? I would love to read more info and people's stories. I never claim to know everything, just saying what I heard from people that went through out and came out successful.
I hear ya, no one wants to wait to get into school but you have to replace those classes. No question. Like others have said, don't go carrib, heres a little reading for you if you are thinking about the carrib, sad story:I really don't want to get behind/get more in debt. I'd rather start medical school ASAP so I am seriously considering applying to Caribbeans even though I keep hearing its a bad idea
I hear ya, no one wants to wait to get into school but you have to replace those classes. No question. Like others have said, don't go carrib, heres a little reading for you if you are thinking about the carrib, sad story:
http://2medschool.blogspot.com/
http://4medschool.blogspot.com/
http://6medschool.blogspot.com/
that's a really helpful post, thanxIf you're looking for the underdogs, scroll down or click here: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=12487491&postcount=2 It will be yellowperil that will be in charge of keeping the scores updated.
If you're looking for the College Information Book (the MSAR of the DO world), click here: http://www.aacom.org/resources/bookstore/cib/Pages/default.aspx
Please follow proper procedure by giving your cGPA, sGPA, and MCAT. If no MCAT, please write TBD.
For this year, I recommend for you to make an MDApplicants.com profile that yellowperil can then post with your name to have better tracking of your trials and tribulations. Remember, part of the goal in this project is so that next year's underdogs get as much information as possible.
AACOM Data on Averages for Matriculation by Race 2011
Data here is posted as cGPA, sGPA and MCAT. It originates from here: http://www.aacom.org/data/applicantsmatriculants/Documents/2011Matriculantsummary.pdf
White: 3.50 | 3.38 | 26.52
Asian: 3.45 | 3.33 | 27.11
Hispanic/Latino: 3.45 | 3.33 | 25.30
Multiple Races (No Hispanic in the calculation): 3.44 | 3.28 | 26.37
Black/African-American: 3.32 | 3.14 | 22.31
Foreign: 3.46 | 3.41 | 28.35
Native American: 3.52 | 3.37 | 25.33
In general, I would call an underdog someone under these standards:
1) Have at least 2 variables under the average with 1 a standard deviation below.
2) Anyone applying late-November and beyond.
3) Average or below student with no (or nearly no) Clinical Volunteering or Shadowing.
4) Someone with a criminal record.
5) An Osteopathic re-applicant with nearly nothing new to add this year.
These are by no means "fixed," so feel free to post and someone will likely assess your chances.
School Averages (it might take me some time to find all these with sources. Please help.)
I decided to put these here to help you guys with applying. Italics in the name means region bias.
-A.T. Still University, Kirksville |
-A.T. Still University, AZ |
-Alabama College of Osteopathic Medicine, AL | first year taking students
-Arizona College of Osteopathic Medicine | 3.51 | 3.46 | 28
-Campbell University School of Osteopathic Medicine, NC | first year taking students
-Chicago College of Osteopathic Medicine | 3.56 | ? | ? |
-Des Moines University College of Osteopathic Medicine, IA |
-Kansas City University of Medicine and Biosciences |
-Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine - Erie/Seton Hill, PA |
-Lake Erie College of Osteopathic Medicine - Bradenton Campus, FL |
-Lincoln Memorial University - DeBusk College of Osteopathic Medicine, TN |
-Marian University College of Osteopathic Medicine, IN | first year taking students
-Michigan State University College of Osteopathic Medicine, MI |
-New York College of Osteopathic Medicine of NYIT, NY |
-Nova Southeastern University College of Osteopathic Medicine, FL |
-Ohio University Heritage College of Osteopathic Medicine, OH |
-Oklahoma State University OK |
-Pacific Northwest University of Health Sciences WA |
-Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine, PA |
-Georgia Campus - Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine, GA |
-University of Pikeville-Kentucky, College of Osteopathic Medicine, KY |
-Rocky Vista University, College of Osteopathic Medicine, CO |
-Touro College of Osteopathic Medicine in New York, NY |
-Touro University College of Osteopathic Medicine - California, CA |
-Touro University College of Osteopathic Medicine - Nevada, NV |
-UMDNJ - School of Osteopathic Medicine, NJ |
-University of New England College of Osteopathic Medicine, ME |
-Edward Via College of Osteopathic Medicine -Virginia Campus, VA |
-Edward Via College of Osteopathic Medicine - Carolinas Campus, SC |
-West Virginia School of Osteopathic Medicine, Admissions Office, WV |
-Western University of Health Sciences - Pomona, CA + Lebanon, OR | 3.53 | 3.47 | 28
-William Carey University College of Osteopathic Medicine, MS |
I wasn't taking any slams at SGU, but the carrib in general. The thing is most pre-med students don't realize the Mt. Everest of a mountain that some carib med students will face... Sure there are some that end up going good places, but in general it is a bad situation. Anyways, back to underdogs..I was at SGU for a year doing an MPH, I was supposed to start their MD program this past January but I left (hints my name on here). I retook the MCAT and re-applied to DO schools and thank the good lord above got in. It wasn't for me and wasn't that great but I believe it isnt as bad as some people make it out to be. SGU has produced many successful doctors they just do things differently. If anyone is serious about applying feel free to PM.
I wasn't taking any slams at SGU, but the carrib in general. The thing is most pre-med students don't realize the Mt. Everest of a mountain that some carib med students will face... Sure there are some that end up going good places, but in general it is a bad situation. Anyways, back to underdogs..
Yikes I feel like Caribbean is my only option though. I don't want to go there because I think it will be easier, I want to go there because they might give me a shot at my dream to become a physician. Hell I'd go to med school in Iraq if that's what it takes! Being a poor student most of my college career put me in this position but I have changed my study habits as evidenced by my pretty good MCAT. All I need is a chance ya know?
We hear ya man! No one is doubting any of your passion towards medicine, we are just trying to help you get there. I understand having to worry about finances on getting to your goal, but applying to medical school isn't a cheap process either.Yikes I feel like Caribbean is my only option though. I don't want to go there because I think it will be easier, I want to go there because they might give me a shot at my dream to become a physician. Hell I'd go to med school in Iraq if that's what it takes! Being a poor student most of my college career put me in this position but I have changed my study habits as evidenced by my pretty good MCAT. All I need is a chance ya know?
thats the general consensus of the underdogs man, we all want just one chance. Whatever you decide to do, do your research before you make any hasty choices and make sure you're willing to do what it takes. People succeed from the carribean it's not as bad as some people say but it's still pretty challenging. I can safely say DO is probably a better option. maybe you could hook up with a DO post bacc program if all else fails?