Menu Icon Search
Close Search

About the ads

  1. If you prefer the SDN Blue style, go to the bottom left of the page and select "SDN Blue"

The Temple problem

Discussion in 'Podiatry Students' started by ckjets, 04.16.13.

  1. ckjets

    ckjets

    Joined:
    06.04.09
    Messages:
    121
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    SDN 2+ Year Member

    SDN Members don't see this ad. (About Ads)
    So, it's been 4 long years and with G-d's help many of us made it. I am on my way to a residency in the town I was born. I wanted to shed light on the problems my school has which are what I suspect have lead to the large number of unmatched students this year. I don't know who matched and who did not, but I can tell you I know of very smart individuals who had the grades and a good personality that were left out in the cold. On the other end of the spectrum, I know of a student that did nothing in clinic but search Craigslist and log on to Facebook who did not even scramble despite failing boards the 1st time around. He also was caught cheating but he managed to stay around. he matched. Some people who did not deserve a residency got a residency because Temple decided to let the cheaters slide. What can a $34,000 tuition buy you? If this was the only case here at Temple I would not be writing this, but it has occurred many times with many people. Even a group of foreigners keep on speaking in their language in the back of the room during an exam and the proctors do nothing about it. A kid was caught cheating on dermatology exam in the bathroom and is graduating with the rest of us. People have been sliding by like sewage into the ocean. It is a shame that Temple is so money hungry that the only way to get kicked out is sexual harassment and that is only because it reaches the University's higher ups and no longer handled by TUSPM administration. it is hard for me to see very highly eligible students from all the 9 schools be left without a residency while the mediocre occupy seats that they did not earn. Temple's problem is everyone's problem and needs to be solved.

    Finally I want to add that we do have amazing faculty here at Temple which can do nothing about this situation, they are overruled by the deans. residency shortage anybody???

    (Edited to correct a few grammatical errors)
    Last edited: 04.18.13
  2. handoverfist77

    handoverfist77 Spiral out. Keep going.

    Joined:
    12.31.07
    Messages:
    91
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    SDN 5+ Year Member
    I don't think that's a Temple specific problem. I knew of many people who cheated at my school. I would venture it occurs at all the schools.
  3. GSRaw

    GSRaw

    Joined:
    04.22.11
    Messages:
    37
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    SDN 2+ Year Member
    Indeed, cheating is not limited to Temple. I hear they have an honor court and student lead process to deal with such incidents. Cheating is also very hard to prove. If a formal investigation is conducted and the student is found guilty there should be a Dean's letter or some documentation in their application to CASPR.
  4. DrYES

    DrYES

    Joined:
    08.21.10
    Messages:
    30
    Location:
    Southwest
    Status:
    Podiatry Student
    SDN 2+ Year Member
    With the institution of the new policies, I have noticed it is much less a problem at Temple this year in comparison to last year.
  5. pod101

    pod101

    Joined:
    09.01.12
    Messages:
    95
    Location:
    North East
    Status:
    Podiatry Student
    Eeek and I liked Temple ><.

    That does it!

    Good news.

    I demand good news on this forum!

    PADPM tell me you discovered the cure for cancer! Max type something funny!
  6. robopod97

    robopod97

    Joined:
    06.10.11
    Messages:
    61
    Status:
    Podiatrist
    SDN 2+ Year Member
    Why has this concern not made it to the next level (Provost)?
  7. Ankle Breaker

    Ankle Breaker Senior Member

    Joined:
    09.24.10
    Messages:
    1,511
    Location:
    Star City
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    Podiatrist SDN 2+ Year Member
    You can't win a losing battle. If the school isn't going to address the issue themselves then it won't be won by going to the president of the school. In theory this should be the answer but in reality no one likes to be inconvenienced and controversy is not welcomed. The student has very little power.

    The only option would be to bring the issue up to the CPME and provide any evidence you have. If the evidence is significant enough I do not see why the CPME would not investigate. I would try to not deal with the school at all.
  8. MaxillofacialMN

    MaxillofacialMN Osteopathic Foot Dentist

    Joined:
    12.02.09
    Messages:
    2,834
    Location:
    The Grand Ballroom
    Status:
    Podiatry Student
    SDN 2+ Year Member

    Something Funny!


    But seriously....

    Not to sound arrogant/all knowing, cause who knows what will happen at my school next year, but this doesn't surprise me... Do you not remember your interview? Their website? Temple has the poorest professional conduct I have personally been involved with, and this really doesn't surprise me at all...




    Sent from my Nexus 4 using SDN Mobile
  9. AmArIe

    AmArIe

    Joined:
    08.31.03
    Messages:
    324
    Location:
    MI
    Status:
    Podiatry Student
    SDN 10+ Year Member
    This !!!! i got asked a very personal question that has no place in interviews which turned me off and that makes me so glad i'm attending another school next fall .
  10. CapCrunch

    CapCrunch

    Joined:
    10.31.12
    Messages:
    265
    Location:
    East of Eden
    Status:
    Pre-Medical
    I've heard that before. What kind of personal questions do they think are appropriate for interviews? And their website is pretty embarrassing.
  11. Zalligan

    Zalligan

    Joined:
    09.11.12
    Messages:
    114
    Status:
    Podiatry Student
    Along with the inappropriate phone calls from the dean that many have said they received while weighing their options, or upon notifying temple they did not plan to attend.
  12. pod101

    pod101

    Joined:
    09.01.12
    Messages:
    95
    Location:
    North East
    Status:
    Podiatry Student
    My experience was quite different than what everyone is describing. I actually enjoyed my time in Philadelphia and the students and staff were very respectful.
  13. flyhi

    flyhi

    Joined:
    09.17.08
    Messages:
    1,526
    SDN 5+ Year Member
    I honestly have no idea how anyone could cheat at our school. We have seating charts for exams, are given different forms of exams and even have some different questions on the exams with same answer choices.. I do not think it is a problem at all here.
  14. AmArIe

    AmArIe

    Joined:
    08.31.03
    Messages:
    324
    Location:
    MI
    Status:
    Podiatry Student
    SDN 10+ Year Member
    mine was an email i think he got tired of unanswered phone calls ;)
  15. bunion123

    bunion123

    Joined:
    02.14.12
    Messages:
    65
    SDN 2+ Year Member

    It wasn't at Temple, but here is a question I got asked at an interview at one of the Pod schools

    "I see you spent a year in an Israeli Yeshivah, You don't look like a Rabbi.

    I was just like :shrug:
  16. ckjets

    ckjets

    Joined:
    06.04.09
    Messages:
    121
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    SDN 2+ Year Member
    Seating charts at school will end after your first year buddy because your anatomy professors have had bad experiences with cheaters whom they have not been able to kick out because every time CAPS reaches a decision to expel, it is quickly overruled by the deans. So seating charts are the methods your anatomy professors employ to keep students honest and faculty's work respected. Your physiology professor had a terrible experience as well so he has his own tricks. Even with all that, I am certain that if you yelled the answer across the classroom you would appeal successfully to the dean and maybe repeat the course and rejoin your class. Temple has gone as far as accepting failees from other professional schools and incorporating them into the third year. Is there any other incentive than money??? Ironically they have cheated successfully rumors have it.

    Let me clarify. Temple has great students and the majority of our courses are taught very well. If it had taken out the garbage when the garbage man was downstairs maybe there would have not been 25 people (or whatever the number was) scrambling and maybe the real qualified people who were left out in the cold would have had residency spot. Shame!
  17. robopod97

    robopod97

    Joined:
    06.10.11
    Messages:
    61
    Status:
    Podiatrist
    SDN 2+ Year Member
    Last edited: 04.17.13
  18. dyk343

    dyk343

    Joined:
    10.05.08
    Messages:
    972
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    SDN 5+ Year Member
    There was really ~25% of your class cheating (25/100)? That seems a bit high. I personally do not know of, or suspect anyone in my class cheating.
  19. ckjets

    ckjets

    Joined:
    06.04.09
    Messages:
    121
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    SDN 2+ Year Member
    You read my post in a hurry it seems. Read again. If you cannot understand it the second time around I will explain it to you in a PM.
  20. Fetting

    Fetting

    Joined:
    03.18.13
    Messages:
    34
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    My Temple interview certainly was strange. I could easily get over the out of date facilites and website but the students, faculty and staff I encountered that day made my decision to not attend Temple an easy one... Seems as though things are moving in the wrong direction recently.
  21. OhEmGee

    OhEmGee A True American Hero

    Joined:
    03.25.13
    Messages:
    63
    Status:
    Podiatry Student
    but everyone calls temple "the harvard of podiatry schools"....
  22. MaxillofacialMN

    MaxillofacialMN Osteopathic Foot Dentist

    Joined:
    12.02.09
    Messages:
    2,834
    Location:
    The Grand Ballroom
    Status:
    Podiatry Student
    SDN 2+ Year Member
    Same experience. I mean, our tour guide answered her cell phone and talked for a couple minutes with us just kinda hanging out around the library... Lol Wut?!

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using SDN Mobile
  23. wakaflocka88

    wakaflocka88

    Joined:
    04.09.13
    Messages:
    12
    Status:
    Podiatry Student
    I can one-up you Max, my interviewer at Temple "answered" his cell phone twice during my interview. Even though I was accepted with a scholarship, I will not be attending.
  24. dyk343

    dyk343

    Joined:
    10.05.08
    Messages:
    972
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    SDN 5+ Year Member
    A whole lot of hating going on in this thread

    This one time at Temple....
  25. OhEmGee

    OhEmGee A True American Hero

    Joined:
    03.25.13
    Messages:
    63
    Status:
    Podiatry Student
    Truth.

    Regardless of what the schools do to prevent it, cheating will occur. I do have to agree with the original poster to some degree though. These programs (all of them) are driven by $$$ and we have had some similar issues at our school.

    The whole cell phone thing is a laugh also. I have had professors get a call and run out of class. Some of these guys are attendings and "on call".

    These threads pop up from time to time whether it be Temple, NYCPM, Barry...etc.

    It's a shame, because some stupid pre pod may see this and chose not to interview/attend Temple because of this useless thread.
  26. Ankle Breaker

    Ankle Breaker Senior Member

    Joined:
    09.24.10
    Messages:
    1,511
    Location:
    Star City
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    Podiatrist SDN 2+ Year Member
    If anyone makes an important life decision based on an internet forum thread then I'm already questioning their cognitive ability.
  27. MaxillofacialMN

    MaxillofacialMN Osteopathic Foot Dentist

    Joined:
    12.02.09
    Messages:
    2,834
    Location:
    The Grand Ballroom
    Status:
    Podiatry Student
    SDN 2+ Year Member
    Professionalism isn't for everyone, and some people value it more than others. The cell phone thing was one example, but I can assure you my tour guide was not an attending on call. It was an admission office worker.

    Did you watch the school video? It looks like someone with Parkinson's took a home video camera and shot random footage. How about the interview "packets"? I.e. random photocopied newspaper articles and magazines clippings... Or the time they sent my pre- interview packet to the wrong address, and wouldn't send me a new one because "there is nothing really important in there anyways."

    I'm not saying random lurkers shouldn't apply/interview at Temple, but if modern facilities and professionalism are two things you truly value (and some people don't...) do research before booking a $400 ticket and missing class for a day or two...

    On the other hand, the $400 plane ticket might have been worth it for me to see Philly for a day or so, and help solidify my choice in another school. It's always nice to know the grass isn't always greener on the other side...


    Sent from my Nexus 4 using SDN Mobile
  28. PatchAdamsFan

    PatchAdamsFan

    Joined:
    10.16.12
    Messages:
    271
    Status:
    Podiatry Student
    Rocket Scientist SDN 2+ Year Member
    Superficial nonsense, this entire conversation. The topic is cheating, and there will always be that in every school without exceptions.
  29. dyk343

    dyk343

    Joined:
    10.05.08
    Messages:
    972
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    SDN 5+ Year Member
    :thumbup:
  30. MaxillofacialMN

    MaxillofacialMN Osteopathic Foot Dentist

    Joined:
    12.02.09
    Messages:
    2,834
    Location:
    The Grand Ballroom
    Status:
    Podiatry Student
    SDN 2+ Year Member
    The topic isn't cheating... You need to reread the OPs post. The topic is the school's response to cheating. While cheating may occur at each school, the administration's response and attitude towards it may be (probably is) different.

    If you think professionalism is superficial, and you don't value it, then no problem. But if you do value "superficial" things like professionalism, integrity, and quality aesthetics, then this isn't nonsense.

    Sent from my Nexus 4 using SDN Mobile
  31. SLCpod

    SLCpod

    Joined:
    11.28.11
    Messages:
    287
    Location:
    The West
    Status:
    Podiatry Student
    SDN 2+ Year Member
    Great thread. Really. Though the topic of the thread is "the school's response" I have been mulling about what OUR response will be when we see poor student/post educational behavior.

    There are certain steps the school should take to give each student the best possible opportunity to learn. While there are things the school should do there are also responsibilities of the students. I found this in a speech:

    "Cheating in school is a form of self-deception. We go to school to learn. We cheat ourselves when we coast on the efforts and scholarship of someone else.

    A friend related this experience her husband had while attending medical school. "Getting into medical school is pretty competitive, and the desire to do well and be successful puts a great deal of pressure on the new incoming freshmen. My husband had worked hard on his studies and went to attend his first examination. The honor system was expected behavior at the medical school. The professor passed out the examination and left the room. Within a short time, students started to pull little cheat papers out from under their papers or from their pockets. My husband recalled his heart beginning to pound as he realized it is pretty hard to compete against cheaters. About that time a tall, lanky student stood up in the back of the room and stated: &#8216;I left my hometown and put my wife and three little babies in an upstairs apartment and worked very hard to get into medical school. And I'll turn in the first one of you who cheats, and you better believe it!' They believed it. There were many sheepish expressions, and those cheat papers started to disappear as fast as they had appeared. He set a standard for the class which eventually graduated the largest group in the school's history."

    The young, lanky medical student who challenged the cheaters was J Ballard Washburn, who became a respected physician and in later years received special recognition from the Utah Medical Association for his outstanding service as a medical doctor."

    Once again, the topic isn't cheating but rather our moral compass. I am sure that we will all become friends with everyone in our classes and someone will think about taking a shortcut in their education. We can make the decision to stand up for doing the right thing by telling them not to do it. By doing this ALL OF US will benefit. Other health care professionals will see our integrity, professionalism and hard work ethic as the foot specialists. A good character doesn't start with your school administration but yourself.
    aHealthNut likes this.
  32. TheFootDoc

    TheFootDoc

    Joined:
    11.29.10
    Messages:
    87
    Status:
    Podiatry Student
    SDN 2+ Year Member
    :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
  33. zmansman17

    zmansman17

    Joined:
    01.01.13
    Messages:
    34
    Thanks for writing this. I really enjoyed reading it!
  34. Moose A Moose

    Moose A Moose

    Joined:
    11.24.09
    Messages:
    399
    Location:
    Philadelphia, PA
    Status:
    Pre-Medical
    SDN 2+ Year Member
    I've experienced the Temple website and I just don't understand why it hasn't been updated. I'm completely baffled and was hoping for more out of a reputable state university.. Is it out of a complete lack of care? "Ah, whatever. If they're interested, they're interested". What a turn off. I'm sure they've had feedback on this issue...
  35. Liz Frank

    Liz Frank

    Joined:
    05.19.13
    Messages:
    13
    Location:
    Ohio
    Status:
    Other Health Professions Student
    the temple website will finally be updated by the end of may!!! :)
  36. jonod1107

    jonod1107

    Joined:
    05.10.13
    Messages:
    208
    I'm not sure what you mean by "is that still a big problem?" If you are talking about matching, we won't know until next year's match comes around.

    Also, I researched a bit into the over 90% and 25 out of 106 students scrambled. That means 24% didn't get ANY residencies on their list so they pretty much have to go anywhere in the country that will take them.
  37. TheTruthAndMore

    TheTruthAndMore

    Joined:
    05.14.13
    Messages:
    50
    A couple of comments:
    1) LOL, I guess those that didn't "make it" are Godless?

    2) Why do you care about the cheaters? That's life! Whining about it won't change anything.

    3) Are students really being choosy about where they are doing their residencies? Regardless of where you get one, be thankful. Get your training so you can make a living!! Sheesh!
  38. ckjets

    ckjets

    Joined:
    06.04.09
    Messages:
    121
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    SDN 2+ Year Member
    Reading comprehension :highfive:
  39. Azimuthal

    Azimuthal Ninja Zombie Slayer

    Joined:
    01.29.12
    Messages:
    874
    Location:
    NYC
    Status:
    Physical Therapy Student
    SDN 2+ Year Member
    Because these 'cheaters' will be working on people. You're right, it is life...someone else's.
  40. TheTruthAndMore

    TheTruthAndMore

    Joined:
    05.14.13
    Messages:
    50
    LMAO and whining about that on a Podiatry Forum is going to change that how exactly??

    Worry about yourselves folks, and stop with the being so naive LOL.
  41. Azimuthal

    Azimuthal Ninja Zombie Slayer

    Joined:
    01.29.12
    Messages:
    874
    Location:
    NYC
    Status:
    Physical Therapy Student
    SDN 2+ Year Member
    I'm sorry people care for these things. I didn't think that the OP thought that this was change.org. Its a forum for those to share their experiences; all within the ToS. Why don't you take your own advice and worry about yourself. No need to act like a Richard, 'cool guy'.
    Last edited: 05.28.13
  42. TheTruthAndMore

    TheTruthAndMore

    Joined:
    05.14.13
    Messages:
    50
    How did you know my first name is Richard? Weird.

    Btw isn't there something in the sticky up there about no personal attacks? Let's find out shall we? ToS something or other.

    Best Regards,
    Dick
  43. Azimuthal

    Azimuthal Ninja Zombie Slayer

    Joined:
    01.29.12
    Messages:
    874
    Location:
    NYC
    Status:
    Physical Therapy Student
    SDN 2+ Year Member
    I don't see any personal attacks but you may research the ToS to your heart's content. Don't take the internet too personally, its really not that big of a deal. Reading comprehension.
  44. TheTruthAndMore

    TheTruthAndMore

    Joined:
    05.14.13
    Messages:
    50
    Yeehawww! Ignore function actually works on this site. I feel better now.
  45. Azimuthal

    Azimuthal Ninja Zombie Slayer

    Joined:
    01.29.12
    Messages:
    874
    Location:
    NYC
    Status:
    Physical Therapy Student
    SDN 2+ Year Member
    Haha, didn't think it was such a big deal to be ignored; guess he ran out of his wise-guy remarks. Some people don't mind acting like the cool guy online and sharing their views, but gets the butt-hurt when said views are not agreed upon. I guess if I had that personality, I'd ignore the guy making too much sense also. Way to get one over someone! Haha...

    OP, I totally agree with you. What some people don't understand is that integrity goes a long way. It not only impacts your personal life, but professional also. These 'cheaters' are joining your profession and will have a large impact on the future of the profession. If the faculty and institution refuse to address the issue, the profession will ultimately pay the price.
  46. pacpod

    pacpod Who Dey! Staff Member Administrator SDN Senior Moderator Gold Donor

    Joined:
    02.08.10
    Messages:
    1,142
    Status:
    Resident [Any Field]
    Podiatrist SDN Published Author SDN 2+ Year Member
    Please use the ignore function if a user is bothering you or use the report post button instead of engaging in in-thread arguments. Let's keep the thread on topic. :thumbup:
  47. Moose A Moose

    Moose A Moose

    Joined:
    11.24.09
    Messages:
    399
    Location:
    Philadelphia, PA
    Status:
    Pre-Medical
    SDN 2+ Year Member
    ... May of 2014 ??
  48. MaxillofacialMN

    MaxillofacialMN Osteopathic Foot Dentist

    Joined:
    12.02.09
    Messages:
    2,834
    Location:
    The Grand Ballroom
    Status:
    Podiatry Student
    SDN 2+ Year Member
    Hiyo!!!
  49. pod101

    pod101

    Joined:
    09.01.12
    Messages:
    95
    Location:
    North East
    Status:
    Podiatry Student
    For the majority of students Temple will get you to where you need to go.

    Personally, I don't know if its the cited problems are due to the school or due to the lack of personal responsibility/professionalism by a small subset of students at Temple. All I can say is...

    1) life is usually about who you know and not what you know

    2) cheaters will typically "get theirs" when it comes to applying their "skills/knowledge" in the working world.

// Share //

Style: SDN Universal