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This is a well deserved donation to TWU School Psychology Program that emphases School Pediatric Neuropsychology.

This is the program where I was able to complete my neuropsychology courses and practicum via the North Texas Consortium for doctoral Psychology training. Dan Miller and TWU value of interdisciplinary training and allowing other program doctoral students to enroll and complete neuropsychology training allowed them to meet the requirements of interdisciplinary and multiple university partnership to be awarded this 10 million dollar gift and endowment from Richard Woodcock:

Historic gift to launch Woodcock Institute for Advancement of Neurocognitive Research and Applied Practice
6/17/15

RECORDING OF LIVE STREAM OF ANNOUNCEMENT AVAILABLE AT WWW.TWU.EDU/STREAM

Texas Woman’s University gains author of standardized cognitive
and achievement assessment tests used by schools, clinics

DENTON/DALLAS/HOUSTON— A gift of nearly $10 million from a foundation created by world-renowned psychologist and psychometrician Richard W. Woodcock will put Texas Woman’s University at the center of interdisciplinary research into cognitive and achievement assessments and advancing effective clinical practice for two-year-olds to octogenarians.

The gift from the Woodcock-Muñoz Foundation in Nashville, Tenn. is the largest single donation in TWU history.

“Improving the tools by which cognitive abilities are measured has been my life’s work,” Woodcock said. “Texas Woman’s University, with its multidisciplinary approach to education, research and clinical practice, is ideally suited to continue advancing this field and making a profound difference in the lives of others.”

Woodcock, the senior author of the Woodcock-Johnson Tests of Cognitive Abilities and Achievement, is dissolving the Tennessee-based foundation to create an endowment that will fund the new Woodcock Institute for the Advancement of Neurocognitive Research and Applied Practice at TWU. Annual interest generated from this endowment fund, along with about $1 million in annual royalties from his newly updated tests measuring cognitive ability, oral language skills and achievement, will support the growth of this new institute on TWU’s Denton campus.

The Woodcock-Johnson assessments are one of the leading cognitive and achievement evaluations instruments for preschoolers, children, adolescents and adults. They are used by schools and clinics to assist in diagnosing and supporting children with special needs.

Millions of children across the United States have taken the Woodcock-Johnson assessments, which are becoming globally popular as well, from Canada and Spanish-speaking countries, to Jordan, following their translation into Farsi.

“The Woodcock-Johnson suite of assessments has had an extraordinary impact on the educational landscape and serves a valuable function for educators and researchers around the world. They remain the leading individually administered achievement assessment program in the United States,” said Tracey Barrett, vice president for product management and assessments at Houghton Mifflin Harcourt. “Dr. Woodcock’s work in the area of intellectual assessments speaks for itself, and the new Woodcock Institute will continue his profound legacy in this field.”

TWU Chancellor and President Carine M. Feyten credited the renowned psychologist’s decision to locate the institute at the university to Daniel C. Miller, professor emeritus and former chair of the university’s psychology and philosophy department.

“Dr. Miller has been an extraordinary TWU faculty member,” Feyten said. “In fact, many call him the ‘Father of Texas School Psychology.’ He has collaborated with Dr. Woodcock for decades on books and research projects, and now our faculty, students, alumni and citizens across Texas and beyond will benefit from their combined expertise, research and continued collaborations here at TWU.”

She said Miller will lead the creation and growth of the institute beginning Sept. 1, and Woodcock will join TWU as a research professor, conducting guest lectures and collaborating with professors and others across the university, Texas communities and beyond.

Miller added, “Dick’s contribution to the field of psychology has been second to none. Many children and families have benefited from his work, and we want to make sure that work continues.”

Miller’s goals for the institute include creation of a clinic on TWU’s Denton campus that will leverage the university’s interdisciplinary resources in psychology, nursing, physical therapy, occupational therapy, special education, family sciences and more to assess the educational and psychological needs of area children. The university’s psychology department will be the first to participate in the clinic when it opens in Spring 2016, with other academic departments to follow.

The institute also will host a biennial conference where recipients of its foundation grants will present their research findings. The inaugural conference will take place at TWU in Fall 2016.

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Yes... he is the President of ABSNP. They have a neuropsychology specialization in their doctoral APA accredited School Psychology Program with six to eight courses and a post graduate certificate school-pediatric neuropsychology training program for licensed/certified school and clinical psychologist.

Dan Miller has led a visionary training program in neuropsychology and he has mentored many through his post graduate training programs in neuropsychology.

I was surprised that TWU received this endowment but TWU is involved with many other universities and they have nursing and health sciences programs with UTSW and Baylor Medical in Houston. Texas is one of the few States allowing doctoral psychology students from private and public universities to complete courses as a nondegree student so many doctoral students from other universities have completed their neuropsychology training at TWU and there is not replication of resources and doctoral programs work as partners in interdisciplinary training programs.

The ABSNP has a large number of doctoral level psychologists, including myself as Diplomates. Surprising, the didactic components is more rigorous than the two-year postdoctoral fellowship clinical neuropsychology training and this has helped many psychologist pass the written and oral portion of the ABPP Board exams.
 
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...and a post graduate certificate school-pediatric neuropsychology training program for licensed/certified school and clinical psychologist.

Which is online and allows MA level school psychologists to pretend to be pediatric neuropsychologists. The requirements are a joke! A quick search on here will turn up a thread about it on here.
 
I completed seven courses with practicum at TWU. It used to be set up where you would meet on a Friday, Saturday, and Sunday over ten months once a month. It still follows that model except you can participate online rather than meet in person. I believe it still is interactive didactic training but in online format. The two-year neuropsychology fellowship training has varied didactics with some only having 2-4 hours per month so the ABSNP has much more didactic but less experiential than the two-year postdoctoral.

I guess I was fortunate to live in Dallas and take the classes at TWU in 2008-2009.

Seems that interactive webinars have become common with NAN and Other accreditation certificate training and what counts is the quality of training based on instructor competencies and experiences. If your going to insinuate it is inferior training due to online format there are local mentors and onsite practicum experiential training requirements and actual brain cutting experience in the training whereas many two-year postdoctoral fellowships do not provide such experiences.
 
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I completed seven courses with practicum at TWU. It used to be set up where you would meet on a Friday, Saturday, and Sunday over ten months once a month. It still follows that model except you can participate online rather than meet in person. I believe it still is interactive didactic training but in online format.

I guess I was fortunate to live in Dallas and take the classes at TWU in 2008-2009.

Seems that interactive webinars have become common with NAN and Other accreditation certificate training and what counts is the quality of training based on instructor competencies and experiences. If your going to insinuate it is inferior training due to online format there are local mentors and onsite practicum experiential training requirements and actual brain cutting experience in the training whereas many two-year postdoctoral fellowships do not provide such experiences.

My experience--none of the APPCN member programs at which I looked lacked those experiences. As with anything else, didactics are great (and important), but much of the learning occurs in person and via living the training in a full-time context, which just hasn't been adequately replicated online. If I had to compare the amount of neuropsychology information I learned in my fellowship didactics (which included regular seminars, brain cuttings, and various grand rounds) to that which I learned evaluating and discussing cases daily with my supervisors across various services, it's just not even close. And it wasn't just the seeing patients part that was informative (although there's of course something to be said for seeing a good number of cases), but the ability to immediately discuss the cases afterward with multiple supervisors that was particularly helpful.

As for the NAN course, it's seems good as a refresher, but that shouldn't be anyone's sole formal training in neuroanatomy.

And just my general opinion--"school neuropsychologists," as described by T4C at the masters level, have no place calling themselves neuropsychologists. I see doctoral-trained psychologists do enough harm in this context by overstepping the bounds of their training, no need to open the floodgates further.
 
Specialist trained school psychologist do not use the title neuropsychologist. Many school districts contract with neuropsychologist and commonly the School Psychologist serves similar function as neuropsychology technician. Additionally, doctoral level school psychologist with doctoral level neuropsychology training provide supervision in the school setting.
ABSNP will eventually have a Specialist and doctoral level credential is my understanding with doctoral level allowed to used the neuropsychologist title.
 
If your going to insinuate it is inferior training due to online format there are local mentors and onsite practicum experiential training requirements and actual brain cutting experience in the training whereas many two-year postdoctoral fellowships do not provide such experiences.

I am 100% saying it is inferior. Usually conditional sentence structures have a main clause.

Fellowship training includes scrutiny of day in day out clinical skills including: administration, interpretation, writing coherently, interacting effectively with other professions, etc. 2 years. Day in, day out.

I can't see how a brain dissection improves clinical experiences. I can see how exposure to clinical procedures such as WADA, fMRI, and awake craniotomies do improve clinical skills. The former I had in grad school. The latter I had in fellowship.
 
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The two-year neuropsychology fellowship training has varied didactics with some only having 2-4 hours per month so the ABSNP has much more didactic but less experiential than the two-year postdoctoral.

100% incorrect. Please provide examples of AACN fellowship programs (or div 22) where they only offer 2-4hr per month.

As for "experiential"...that is uhm...what we do in real training. Every day, not just a random weekend course. Not w a case study. A real fellowship will provide exposure to hundreds of patients over thousands of patient contact hours and supervision hours.

Seems that interactive webinars have become common with NAN

Sure...for extra exposure, not for foundational training.

If your going to insinuate it is inferior training due to online format
I am flat out stating the training is inferior. It is a made up title/certificate with completely insufficient training. Nothing I have seen on the website or been told about the "training" is remotely comparable to a real fellowship training program. It is insulting to fellows who go through 6-8yrs training for a non-doc totally trained clinician who takes online courses and does a few neuropsych evals to call themselves a neuropsychologist (school or otherwise) or a generalist who does a wkend course to claim they are neuropsychologists.
 
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You trained with LPCs as your fellow students, graduated from a disbanded school, got online training in neuropsych, and claim to be better educated than most?

Come on. Even you must recognize that such a deviation from educational standards likely indicates some deficiencies.
 
Specialist trained school psychologist do not use the title neuropsychologist. Many school districts contract with neuropsychologist and commonly the School Psychologist serves similar function as neuropsychology technician. Additionally, doctoral level school psychologist with doctoral level neuropsychology training provide supervision in the school setting.
ABSNP will eventually have a Specialist and doctoral level credential is my understanding with doctoral level allowed to used the neuropsychologist title.

The title "neuropsychologist," unfortunately, is only directly regulated in perhaps 2 or 3 states. Even in my own state, I've seen non-neuropsychologists title a report "neuropsychological evaluation." How they can conscionably do so (other than for pure profit-related motives) is beyond me. Invariably (in just my personal experience), these reports have done more harm than good.

All that being said, we already have enough of a tiff with ABPP CN and ABN. The last thing we need is yet another organization purporting they can adequately train neuropsychologists. My take--if these folks want to be neuropsychologists, obtain boarding via one of the two established routes. Attempting to create yet another path to becoming a "neuropsychologist" smacks of, "ABPP said my training didn't qualify, well pfah to that, I'll just make my own board."

Edit: And yes, I will also say that as online training currently stands, it's inferior. I've worked with folks who've gone the distance-learning/"nontraditional" neuropsychology route. They are not as well-trained as individuals completing a formal, full-time fellowship in a medical center (or similar) environment.
 
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Seems to be some confusion here or someone has a political agenda. I completed six neuropsychology courses in the TWU APA accredited doctoral school psychology program as a nondegree student. I completed two additional neuropsychology courses in my PsyD program, a ASPPB NR program. I completed a year-long clinical neuropsychology practicum during my doctoral clinical psychology training. I am currently completing a two-year clinical neuropsychology fellowship in a private practice setting working in multiple settings including psychiatric and rehabilitation hospitals, outpatient, school-based, and geropsychiatric facilities doing ten to fifteen neuropsych evaluations per week.

I am fully aware of the training models. I qualified for ABSNP through my licensure as a School Psychologist, neuropsychology training, passing a 200 question written exam, passing oral exam over a case study.

I know Dan Miller and he is highly respected in neuropsychology with multiple publications and primary author of many neuropsychology books.

Obviously, both TWU and Dan Miller are deserving of the Woodcock Institute. Uh...I don't see Richard Woodcock giving 10 Million to the ABPP CN and I believe he holds Fellow Status with ABCN!!!
 
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Seems to be some confusion here or someone has a secondary agenda. I completed six neuropsychology courses in the TWU APA accredited doctoral school psychology program as a nondegree student. I completed two additional neuropsychology courses in my PsyD program, a ASPPB NR program. I completed a year-long clinical neuropsychology practicum during my doctoral clinical psychology training. I am currently completing a two-year clinical neuropsychology fellowship in a private practice setting working in multiple settings including psychiatric and rehabilitation hospitals, outpatient, school-based, and geropsychiatric facilities doing ten to fifteen neuropsych evaluations per week.

I am fully aware of the training models. I qualified for ABSNP through my licensure as a School Psychologist, neuropsychology training, passing a 200 question written exam, passing oral exam over a case study.

I know Dan Miller and he is highly respected in neuropsychology with multiple publications and primary author of many neuropsychology books.

Obviously, both TWU and Dan Miller are deserving of the Woodcock Institute. Uh...I don't see Richard Woodcock giving 10 Million to the ABPP CN and I believe he holds Fellow Status with ABCN!!!

Good Lord, you sure do talk yourself up frequently on here. Give it a rest old timer.
 
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doing ten to fifteen neuropsych evaluations per week.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this was a typo. Did you mean month?

Because I'm also completing a neuro postdoc and... well 10-15 assessments per week is just impossible. Especially if you are also getting supervision and didactic experiences.
 
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Well, it does vary as there are busy and slow times. I have had some busy weeks where I do five -seven neuropsychology screening evals in geropsychiatric facilities so I figured these in. Probably for full comprehensive neuropsych evaluation it is closer to three- four per week since from start to finish including report write up it is four to five hours administration and one-two hours to score and write up.

We do a lot of work in geropsychiatric and Rehabilitation Hospitals where they want more of a neuropsych screening evals. These are brief neuropsych consults that take 2-4 hours from start to finish.

Last summer I was busy doing school age evaluations for ADHD, LD, Autism... Ect working Saturdays and occasional Sunday.

Probably more in line to three complete neuropsych comprehensive evals a week but all of the other evals included in the ten to fifteen per week.

We do a lot of work requiring quick turn around and juggling of schedule. I got a call at 9 am on Friday from rehab facility needing neuropsych screening eval for a patient having brain tumor removed two weeks ago and trying to leave AMA. Court order 72-hour hold on Thursday so had to be done Friday. Patient was escorted to our office at 10 am and I completed testing by 2 pm and scored and wrote report by 4 pm. I had to juggle schedule so I am working today on completing work I originally had scheduled yesterday.
 
Well, it does vary as there are busy and slow times. I have had some busy weeks where I do five -seven neuropsychology screening evals in geropsychiatric facilities so I figured these in. Probably for full comprehensive neuropsych evaluation it is closer to three- four per week since from start to finish including report write up it is four to five hours administration and one-two hours to score and write up.

We do a lot of work in geropsychiatric and Rehabilitation Hospitals where they want more of a neuropsych screening evals. These are brief neuropsych consults that take 2-4 hours from start to finish.

Last summer I was busy doing school age evaluations for ADHD, LD, Autism... Ect working Saturdays and occasional Sunday.

Probably more in line to three complete neuropsych comprehensive evals a week but all of the other evals included in the ten to fifteen per week.

We do a lot of work requiring quick turn around and juggling of schedule. I got a call at 9 am on Friday from rehab facility needing neuropsych screening eval for a patient having brain tumor removed two weeks ago and trying to leave AMA. Court order 72-hour hold on Thursday so had to be done Friday. Patient was escorted to our office at 10 am and I completed testing by 2 pm and scored and wrote report by 4 pm. I had to juggle schedule so I am working today on completing work I originally had scheduled yesterday.

I think you wait tables at captain Ds...
 
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LOL.... These online diploma mills only qualify for waiter? Heck my Argosy PsyD qualify me for manager and I get $10.00 bucks an hour!!!
 
All that being said, we already have enough of a tiff with ABPP CN and ABN. The last thing we need is yet another organization purporting they can adequately train neuropsychologists. My take--if these folks want to be neuropsychologists, obtain boarding via one of the two established routes. Attempting to create yet another path to becoming a "neuropsychologist" smacks of, "ABPP said my training didn't qualify, well pfah to that, I'll just make my own board."

100% agree.
 
The title "neuropsychologist," unfortunately, is only directly regulated in perhaps 2 or 3 states. Even in my own state, I've seen non-neuropsychologists title a report "neuropsychological evaluation." How they can conscionably do so (other than for pure profit-related motives) is beyond me. Invariably (in just my personal experience), these reports have done more harm than good.

All that being said, we already have enough of a tiff with ABPP CN and ABN. The last thing we need is yet another organization purporting they can adequately train neuropsychologists. My take--if these folks want to be neuropsychologists, obtain boarding via one of the two established routes. Attempting to create yet another path to becoming a "neuropsychologist" smacks of, "ABPP said my training didn't qualify, well pfah to that, I'll just make my own board."

Edit: And yes, I will also say that as online training currently stands, it's inferior. I've worked with folks who've gone the distance-learning/"nontraditional" neuropsychology route. They are not as well-trained as individuals completing a formal, full-time fellowship in a medical center (or similar) environment.
I would not refer patients to a neuropsychologist who was not board certified. I have also seen neuropsychological eval or assessment on reports from non-neuro's and it is a red flag for me that a quick reading of their report soon bore out. In short, their reports sucked! :vomit:
I am completely in support of protecting this specialty even though I chose not to go into neuropsych because it will benefit all psychologists. I just wanted to throw in that I really loved my neuro practicum at a university medical center and got to work with some very fascinating and complex cases and probably garnered more experience there than some bogus online credentialed MA level "neuro-whatever", but that sure as heck don't mean I should claim expertise in that or call myself anything along those lines.
 
I would not refer patients to a neuropsychologist who was not board certified. I have also seen neuropsychological eval or assessment on reports from non-neuro's and it is a red flag for me that a quick reading of their report soon bore out. In short, their reports sucked! :vomit:
I am completely in support of protecting this specialty even though I chose not to go into neuropsych because it will benefit all psychologists. I just wanted to throw in that I really loved my neuro practicum at a university medical center and got to work with some very fascinating and complex cases and probably garnered more experience there than some bogus online credentialed MA level "neuro-whatever", but that sure as heck don't mean I should claim expertise in that or call myself anything along those lines.

I totally understand this and would also only refer to someone board certified, but it does lead to an interesting dilemma. After graduating postdoc, there is a period of at least a few months where it is impossible to be board certified, as you need to see cases independently to submit to the board for review. How does one get appropriate experience after postdoc if no one will refer cases to them until they are board certified?
 
Currently there are only 977 APBB CN Board Certified Approved Member. In my state there are only 9 APBB CN Board Certified Members and 5 of those work for the VA.

From my discussions with my postdoctoral clinical neuropsychology supervisor the majority of clinical neuropsychologist are board eligible but due to the expense of the application and not being required to practice clinical neuropsychology, most do not become Board Certified despite being Board Eligible. In my State, to practice Clinical Neuropsychology you have to have this endorsement on your clinical psychologist license and they follow the NAN requirement or guidelines which is the Houston Guidelines.

Most States do not regulate Clinical Neuropsychology practice except for being a licensed clinical psychologist and working within your scope of training.

Although there are only 977 current Board Certified Members, there are most likely a much higher number of actual Board Eligible Clinical Neuropsychologist who choose to not go through the process as it is not required to practice clinical neuropsychology in all states except for Louisiana and Arkansas. Texas is in the process of adopting legislative review and acts to regulate clinical neuropsychology through TSBEP.

From reviewing a number of clinical neuropsychologist websites they frequently indicate being Board Certified in Clinical Neuropsychology despite not being ABPP CN Board Certified. They may actually be Board Certified through the State Psychology Board in Arkansas or Louisiana to practice Clinical Neuropsychology or they consider being a NAN fellow as meeting Board Certification.

In my State, all clinical neuropsychologists have completed the two-year clinical neuropsychology postdoctoral so all of us are ABPP CN Board Eligible. In the states bordering the primary state where I work the vast majority of clinical neuropsychologist have not completed the two-year postdoctoral and clinical neuropsychology is not regulated by the psychology board. There have been situations where these psychologist have requested to work in my state under temporary short term license for a neuropsychology evaluation and they were denied by the psychology board because they did not meet the Houston guidelines.

Every clinical neuropsychologist in my state must meet the Houston guidelines to practice clinical neuropsychology, even thought only 9 hold ABPP CN Board Certification.

Other State Psychology Boards are now implementing Houston guidelines with the Psychology Board regulating clinical neuropsychology.

As it stands now, to some extent having ABPP CN Board Certification only indicates that the psychologist has met the standards of ABCN and applied and was accepted.

Because the average person has limited knowledge about the field of clinical neuropsychology and Board Certification, it is important to have State Psychology Boards regulate the field of clinical neuropsychology.
 
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Currently there are only 977 APBB CN Board Certified Approved Member. In my state there are only 9 APBB CN Board Certified Members and 5 of those work for the VA.

From my discussions with my postdoctoral clinical neuropsychology supervisor the majority of clinical neuropsychologist are board eligible but due to the expense of the application and not being required to practice clinical neuropsychology, most do not become Board Certified despite being Board Eligible. In my State, to practice Clinical Neuropsychology you have to have this endorsement on your clinical psychologist license and they follow the NAN requirement or guidelines which is the Houston Guidelines.

Most States do not regulate Clinical Neuropsychology practice except for being a licensed clinical psychologist and working within your scope of training.

Although there are only 977 current Board Certified Members, there are most likely a much higher number of actual Board Eligible Clinical Neuropsychologist who choose to not go through the process as it is not required to practice clinical neuropsychology in all states except for Louisiana and Arkansas. Texas is in the process of adopting legislative review and acts to regulate clinical neuropsychology through TSBEP.

From reviewing a number of clinical neuropsychologist websites they frequently indicate being Board Certified in Clinical Neuropsychology despite not being ABPP CN Board Certified. They may actually be Board Certified through the State Psychology Board in Arkansas or Louisiana to practice Clinical Neuropsychology or they consider being a NAN fellow as meeting Board Certification.

In my State, all clinical neuropsychologists have completed the two-year clinical neuropsychology postdoctoral so all of us are ABPP CN Board Eligible. In the states bordering the primary state where I work the vast majority of clinical neuropsychologist have not completed the two-year postdoctoral and clinical neuropsychology is not regulated by the psychology board. There have been situations where these psychologist have requested to work in my state under temporary short term license for a neuropsychology evaluation and they were denied by the psychology board because they did not meet the Houston guidelines.

Every clinical neuropsychologist in my state must meet the Houston guidelines to practice clinical neuropsychology, even thought only 9 hold ABPP CN Board Certification.

Other State Psychology Boards are now implementing Houston guidelines with the Psychology Board regulating clinical neuropsychology.

As it stands now, to some extent having ABPP CN Board Certification only indicates that the psychologist has met the standards of ABCN and applied and was accepted.

Because the average person has limited knowledge about the field of clinical neuropsychology and Board Certification, it is important to have State Psychology Boards regulate the field of clinical neuropsychology.

Given that state boards are likely to have fairly limited resources, I'd imagine if they do end up regulation CN, it'll be by adopting something like ABPP CN eligibility as the criteria, rather than developing their own. I agree that it'd be nice if more state boards took a proactive approach like this with regard to well-defined specialty areas.

As for ABPP CN itself, if one is actually boarded, it means much more than that the person just applied and was accepted. After credential review, there's the written exam, work samples, and oral exam.

Also, it's important to point out the general point that just completing a two-year fellowship doesn't automatically make one board eligible. It's a necessary but not sufficient step in the process.

Finally, I actually think there are >1000 board-certified neuropsychologists, as I remember an email going out on the ABCN listserve about that last year sometime. I don't recall the exact number, though.
 
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From my discussions with my postdoctoral clinical neuropsychology supervisor the majority of clinical neuropsychologist are board eligible but due to the expense of the application and not being required to practice clinical neuropsychology, most do not become Board Certified despite being Board Eligible.

Sigh. Talk to AACN board member about membership. And ask how it's trending. A much higher percentage of younger psychologists are pursuing this, especially in light of some states requiring board cert to bill for certain codes. It wasn't required to practice in the past, but is becoming essential to practicing in certain jurisdictions now.

And AA is right, there are more board certified folks than that. I appreciate you actually getting some objective number by doing a quick registry search on ABPP's site, but you have to remember that some people choose to not list themselves on the register.
 
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I went into the ABPP CN registered Board Member search portal and the total number is 977. Uh... I know everything about board certification application, written and oral exams as I have applied and just need to complete my last three months of my two-year fellowship before I can take the written exam. I know a number of APBB CN members who have written recommendation letters for my ABPP CN application. My supervisor held ABPP CN Board Certification for twenty-years but did not renew around ten-years ago when he decided to not renew his APA membership because he felt APA did not represent Practitioners. He continued with his NAN Fellow status.
 
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Good, ask them about membership trends to dispel your misinformed notion that "majority of clinical neuropsychologist are board eligible but due to the expense of the application and not being required to practice clinical neuropsychology, most do not become Board Certified." The landscape is rapidly shifting. While this was true in the past, for a variety of reasons, it is not the case for early career neuropsychologists. Also, you can't "just need to take the written exam" if you are already on postdoc considering your practice examples have to be completed as an independent practitioner, not under another's supervision.
 
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Uh... I am not misinformed as I am early career applying for early entry into ABPP CN and I realize the value of being ABPP CN Board certified or I would not have applied for early entry. The 977 number includes Board certified in Pediatric Clinical Neuropsychology and Adult Clinical Neuropsychology.
 
Wait... I have taken all of the neuropsychology training and gone through the process of applying for Board Certification and attended workshops on Board Certification but I am misinformed. Currently, the two States regulating Clinical Neuropsychology use NAN guidelines rather than ABPP CN guidelines.
 
Uh... I am not misinformed as I am early career applying for early entry into ABPP CN and I realize the value of being ABPP CN Board certified or I would not have applied for early entry. The 977 number includes Board certified in Pediatric Clinical Neuropsychology and Adult Clinical Neuropsychology.
Aren't you an example of an ECP who want to be a neuro specialist pursuing board certification? This seems to be counter to one of your points that neuropsychologists won't get board certified.
 
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I think there is a board certification one can purchase in Capitalizing Things That Should Not Be Capitalized. For an extra fee, they'll also teach you how to forget that some words have a plural form.
 
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I think there is a board certification one can purchase in Capitalizing Things That Should Not Be Capitalized. For an extra fee, they'll also teach you how to forget that some words have a plural form.

4410 (aka oneneurodoc) is likley not a psychologist at all. And I think this issue has been brought to the mods attention. I hope some action is taken. It would save many posters much grief and much time correcting his misinformation.
 
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Uh... I am not misinformed as I am early career applying for early entry into ABPP CN and I realize the value of being ABPP CN Board certified or I would not have applied for early entry. The 977 number includes Board certified in Pediatric Clinical Neuropsychology and Adult Clinical Neuropsychology.

I follow ABPP on Facebook because I'm a huge nerd, and in their post on 6/23/2014 they said that the neuropsych specialty (ABCN/AACN) broke 1000 members. There have been more additions since then as well.
 
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