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OD is optometry doctor? basically a specialist of the eyes. and they can do laser surgeries? sounds good to me

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And again I dont understand the point of the pictures above, what are they trying to prove that you can do a lot of procedures even thought you're not really an eye doctor that has an MD degree?

You do realize OD stands for Oculus Doctor, right?

That's like saying a DDS is not a dental doctor because an OMFS has the MD degree.
 
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How does a dental student not know that most omfs don't have MDs?

Not the point I'm making.

Maybe I should have expanded to saying "have taken medical/surgical rotations similar to a MD resident"

Happy? Also OMFS is a dual degree in some countries other than US. But once again not the point I was making with the post.
 
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You do realize OD stands for Oculus Doctor, right?

That's like saying a DDS is not a dental doctor because an OMFS has the MD degree.

All i'm saying is that an OD isn't nearly the same thing as an Ophthalmologist who went to med school and performs surgeries. Most ODs dont do anything invasive, they dont even do the lasik surgery. Additionally our modern world allows machines to do most of the work. Unlike a dentist who actually has to use tools and perform surgeries, an OD simply reads and interprets the results. My close friend is a manager of an optical store and his favorite machine is the one that can automatically measure your vision. You simply look into the holes and see a little house, the machine reads the amount of light that your eye can capture and provides him with the result. By the time the patient sees the OD, the OD knows what vision he has and can perform more tests, which is probably more in line with actually billing the insurance company.

I'm not here to bash on that profession but its less of a "doctor" type role IMO. Even a podiatrist performs more invasive procedures like surgeries, etc. And we all know how the MD profession views podiatrists.
 
All i'm saying is that an OD isn't nearly the same thing as an Ophthalmologist who went to med school and performs surgeries. Most ODs dont do anything invasive, they dont even do the lasik surgery. Additionally our modern world allows machines to do most of the work. Unlike a dentist who actually has to use tools and perform surgeries, an OD simply reads and interprets the results. My close friend is a manager of an optical store and his favorite machine is the one that can automatically measure your vision. You simply look into the holes and see a little house, the machine reads the amount of light that your eye can capture and provides him with the result. By the time the patient sees the OD, the OD knows what vision he has and can perform more tests, which is probably more in line with actually billing the insurance company.

I'm not here to bash on that profession but its less of a "doctor" type role IMO. Even a podiatrist performs more invasive procedures like surgeries, etc. And we all know how the MD profession views podiatrists.

It is true ophthalmologists get more surgical training but the lines between the professions are slowly blurring and some if not many ODs actually compete with comprehensive ophthalmologists. That is why many ophthos go on to do fellowships to specialize in the retina or cornea or oculoplastics or neuro-ophthalmology etc.

Yes, you are correct, that machine is called an auto-refractor but they can only do so much and your rx still needs to be tweaked slightly. Also, those machines do not screen for diseases such as glaucoma which is really 99% of the time caught when you go see an eye doctor. Usually there are no symptoms until it is too late, you lost some vision already as it is a slow and painless nerve atrophy. In any case, ODs are moving more medical and every year you see a state pass new laws such as injections are now allowed here, or laser surgery is allowed, or Florida just passed an oral medications bill for ODs which brings the total # of states to 48/50 that allow ODs to rx orals.

As for the podiatrists...well their average GPA and MCAT are notoriously low. Average matriculant stats are: GPA: 3.1 and MCAT: 21.9
Source: http://www.aacpm.org/html/careerzone/cz3_faqs.asp
Its a little surprising seeing as they do some surgeries and make good $$$.

As for ODs, for my school the average matriculant stats are GPA: 3.5 OAT: 350. (score range 200-400, 350 is like 75th percentile) Our OAT test is made by the ADA actually, we have the same Bio, ochem, genchem sections as you guys except they took out spatial reasoning and put in physics instead. The overall average matriculant stats are GPA: ~3.42 and OAT: ~330
Source: http://www.opted.org/files/Profile of the Entering Class 2011.pdf

Just thought it would be cool to outline some objective statistics :)
 
It is true ophthalmologists get more surgical training but the lines between the professions are slowly blurring and some if not many ODs actually compete with comprehensive ophthalmologists. That is why many ophthos go on to do fellowships to specialize in the retina or cornea or oculoplastics or neuro-ophthalmology etc.

Yes, you are correct, that machine is called an auto-refractor but they can only do so much and your rx still needs to be tweaked slightly. Also, those machines do not screen for diseases such as glaucoma which is really 99% of the time caught when you go see an eye doctor. Usually there are no symptoms until it is too late, you lost some vision already as it is a slow and painless nerve atrophy. In any case, ODs are moving more medical and every year you see a state pass new laws such as injections are now allowed here, or laser surgery is allowed, or Florida just passed an oral medications bill for ODs which brings the total # of states to 48/50 that allow ODs to rx orals.

As for the podiatrists...well their average GPA and MCAT are notoriously low. Average matriculant stats are: GPA: 3.1 and MCAT: 21.9
Source: http://www.aacpm.org/html/careerzone/cz3_faqs.asp
Its a little surprising seeing as they do some surgeries and make good $$$.

As for ODs, for my school the average matriculant stats are GPA: 3.5 OAT: 350. (score range 200-400, 350 is like 75th percentile) Our OAT test is made by the ADA actually, we have the same Bio, ochem, genchem sections as you guys except they took out spatial reasoning and put in physics instead. The overall average matriculant stats are GPA: ~3.42 and OAT: ~330
Source: http://www.opted.org/files/Profile of the Entering Class 2011.pdf

Just thought it would be cool to outline some objective statistics :)

To each his own, long term potential earnings are much higher in the professions that i've mentioned.
 
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I'm not here to bash on that profession but its less of a "doctor" type role IMO. Even a podiatrist performs more invasive procedures like surgeries, etc. And we all know how the MD profession views podiatrists.

I think you mean proceduralist, interventional or surgical...less of a doctor type really doesn't apply
 
Oh how threads evolve from their original purpose....
 
Ya, I'll be a fake doctor. Getting fake reimbursements from Medicare, diagnosing fake diseases and prescribing fake medications :thumbup:

You're a hybrid more like a PA, not quite a Optical tech and not even close to an MD.
 
You're a hybrid more like a PA, not quite a Optical tech and not even close to an MD.

You just can't stop can you lol. Even when I agreed with you that you'll probably make more money. You won't be an MD so I don't know why you are bashing a similar profession to yours.

PAs are nothing without an MD. They work under their licenses.

ODs work under their own licenses and they can:
-See patients directly with no referrals.
-Diagnose all diseases of the eye and the adnexa.
-Diagnose systemic/non-eye diseases such as brain tumors, hypertension and diabetes that may cause reduced vision.
-Give out prescriptions for glasses, contacts, and medications both topical and oral.
-Give out narcotic rxs.
-Perform orthokeratology.
-Administer injections to treat eye disease depending on the state. (13/50 currently)
-Perform many minor surgical procedures including but not limited to: dilation, irrigation and closure of the lacrimal punctum, perform epilation by forceps or electrolysis, remove foreign bodies from the eye, excise or drain chalazia (full list here for one sample state: http://plboards.state.wy.us/optometry/PDF\Index\OptometryProcedureCodes.pdf)
-Perform major scalpel and laser surgery (currently only in two states).

If you want to know what ODs will be able to do in the future take a look here: http://www.theoptometricproceduresinstitute.com/ODCE.TV/About_US.html


PAs are actually not allowed to do many things with the eye including giving eye exams by law. So even under an MD license they cannot do this.
 
You just can't stop can you lol. Even when I agreed with you that you'll probably make more money. You won't be an MD so I don't know why you are bashing a similar profession to yours.

PAs are nothing without an MD. They work under their licenses.

ODs work under their own licenses and they can:
-See patients directly with no referrals.
-Diagnose all diseases of the eye and the adnexa.
-Diagnose systemic/non-eye diseases such as brain tumors, hypertension and diabetes that may cause reduced vision.
-Give out prescriptions for glasses, contacts, and medications both topical and oral.
-Give out narcotic rxs.
-Perform orthokeratology.
-Administer injections to treat eye disease depending on the state. (13/50 currently)
-Perform many minor surgical procedures including but not limited to: dilation, irrigation and closure of the lacrimal punctum, perform epilation by forceps or electrolysis, remove foreign bodies from the eye, excise or drain chalazia (full list here for one sample state: http://plboards.state.wy.us/optometry/PDF\Index\OptometryProcedureCodes.pdf)
-Perform major scalpel and laser surgery (currently only in two states).

If you want to know what ODs will be able to do in the future take a look here: http://www.theoptometricproceduresinstitute.com/ODCE.TV/About_US.html


PAs are actually not allowed to do many things with the eye including giving eye exams by law. So even under an MD license they cannot do this.

PAs and ODs treat and diagnose w/o any surgery. A list of "maybe and what ifs?" for the future dont guarantee anything. When you start to perform some surgeries, I'll call you doc. for the same above reasons I wont call a PA a doc either. They're limited in scope and are really a hybrid between a nurse and doc. Similar to an OD, being a hybrid position.

If ODs are highly valued and respected I'd like to know why they're not allowed to perform the basic of eye surgeries like Lasik?

PS I dont want to be an MD but I dont expect my patients to call me doctor outside of the office either. Hope you dont expect that either.
 
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PAs and ODs treat and diagnose w/o any surgery. A list of "maybe and what ifs?" for the future dont guarantee anything. When you start to perform some surgeries, I'll call you doc.

Then you would call me a surgeon. In any case I'll perform some minor surgeries third year in optometry school. For billing purposes removal of corneal foreign bodies is considered a surgery and so is the occlusion of lacrimal puncta. I don't even know why I'm still talking to you. I provided you a list of things that ODs can and do perform depending on location. None of it is "maybe and what ifs" because its just a matter of individual state law and a matter of WHEN.

If ODs are highly valued and respected I'd like to know why they're not allowed to perform the basic of eye surgeries like Lasik?
Its not basic at all and currently we can do it in two states (LASEK).

PS I dont want to be an MD but I dont expect my patients to call me doctor outside of the office either. Hope you dont expect that either.

They can call me whatever they want. I like to go by my first name.
 
Just do what you can be proud of and be successful at...looking for acceptance of your professional skills from other health professions is a futile exercise.

IM docs think they're smarter than surgeons
Ents think they're smarter than omfs
Pre dents think theyre smarter than pre...uh...ODs...
And Dental Anesthesiologists know hands down that they're the best, as has been confirmed by all scientific studies I have performed during phone conversations with my grandma

I forgot where I was going with this...
 
Just do what you can be proud of and be successful at...looking for acceptance of your professional skills from other health professions is a futile exercise.

IM docs think they're smarter than surgeons
Ents think they're smarter than omfs
Pre dents think theyre smarter than pre...uh...ODs...
And Dental Anesthesiologists know hands down that they're the best, as has been confirmed by all scientific studies I have performed during phone conversations with my grandma

I forgot where I was going with this...

+1 There is always a bigger fish... Or at least a fish that thinks its bigger
 
Then you would call me a surgeon. In any case I'll perform some minor surgeries third year in optometry school. For billing purposes removal of corneal foreign bodies is considered a surgery and so is the occlusion of lacrimal puncta. I don't even know why I'm still talking to you. I provided you a list of things that ODs can and do perform depending on location. None of it is "maybe and what ifs" because its just a matter of individual state law and a matter of WHEN.

So basically its not surgery... WHENis subjective to maybe...

Its not basic at all and currently we can do it in two states (LASEK).

2 states out of 50? Wow!


They can call me whatever they want. I like to go by my first name.

Lol I expect to be called by my first name when I work at McDonalds :laugh:
 
Lol I expect to be called by my first name when I work at McDonalds :laugh:

Agreed. You guys will learn that unless you're working in pediatrics, it is important to have your patients call you doctor...and to have your staff and even co-docs address you as doctor in front of patients.

This isn't an entitlement thing, but a patient reassurance issue. Patients want to be with a person of authority and expertise...they want to be with someone that will tell them what to do because of experience and knowledge. This is especially important when you first start, and for those of us cursed/blessed with a young face.

Also, whenever my on call pager goes off And I have to call in I announce "this is dr..." because you never know when some spry young ladies are listening :p. jk (this does work tho...fwiw)
 
Agreed. You guys will learn that unless you're working in pediatrics, it is important to have your patients call you doctor...and to have your staff and even co-docs address you as doctor in front of patients.

This isn't an entitlement thing, but a patient reassurance issue. Patients want to be with a person of authority and expertise...they want to be with someone that will tell them what to do because of experience and knowledge. This is especially important when you first start, and for those of us cursed/blessed with a young face.

Also, whenever my on call pager goes off And I have to call in I announce "this is dr..." because you never know when some spry young ladies are listening :p. jk (this does work tho...fwiw)

:thumbup: I agree. That's very important and necessary. Without a clear line of authority or leadership things can go bad very fast. I'll expect my staff to have a certain level of respect for me, as I will have a certain level for respect for them.

I learned a lot from my old boss on how to work with people. Even though I like to argue on SDN, I know what it takes to run a successful department. :)
 
Did USC set another tuition record this year? Their website only shows 2011-2012 numbers, which are couple of years old.

I'm guessing they have crossed $120k first year cost of attendance line.... It won't surprise me.
 
I already posted this on the predental forum but I'll post again. See attached.

Fixed-costs Only
5-year repayment schedule
Monthly Repayment = $7,236
Yearly Repayment = $86,836
Total Interest = $71,557
Total Repayment = $434,178

10-year repayment schedule
Monthly Repayment = $4,272
Yearly Repayment = $51,263
Total Interest = $150,006
Total Repayment = $512,627

20-year repayment schedule
Monthly Repayment = $2,884
Yearly Repayment = $34,603
Total Interest = $329,448
Total Repayment = $692,069

http://dentistry.usc.edu/programs/dds/cost-of-attendance/
 

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I already posted this on the predental forum but I'll post again. See attached.

Fixed-costs Only
5-year repayment schedule
Monthly Repayment = $7,236
Yearly Repayment = $86,836
Total Interest = $71,557
Total Repayment = $434,178

10-year repayment schedule
Monthly Repayment = $4,272
Yearly Repayment = $51,263
Total Interest = $150,006
Total Repayment = $512,627

20-year repayment schedule
Monthly Repayment = $2,884
Yearly Repayment = $34,603
Total Interest = $329,448
Total Repayment = $692,069

http://dentistry.usc.edu/programs/dds/cost-of-attendance/


"Praying for inflation"
 
http://dentistry.usc.edu/programs/dds/cost-of-attendance/

Total 4 year cost: little north of $400k, actual number is about $450k if you include interest accrued during school.

At about 6% interest rate, that's $2,250 a month of just interest payment after graduation.

At this rate, in 5 years, USC will charge $500k to teach you dentistry.

What do folks at USC think of all this? Cater to the rich?

Ridiculous. I hope military and NHSC are not wasting money paying for everything at USC.
 
I already posted this on the predental forum but I'll post again. See attached.

Fixed-costs Only
5-year repayment schedule
Monthly Repayment = $7,236
Yearly Repayment = $86,836
Total Interest = $71,557
Total Repayment = $434,178

10-year repayment schedule
Monthly Repayment = $4,272
Yearly Repayment = $51,263
Total Interest = $150,006
Total Repayment = $512,627

20-year repayment schedule
Monthly Repayment = $2,884
Yearly Repayment = $34,603
Total Interest = $329,448
Total Repayment = $692,069

http://dentistry.usc.edu/programs/dds/cost-of-attendance/

That is insane.
 
I already posted this on the predental forum but I'll post again. See attached.

Fixed-costs Only
5-year repayment schedule
Monthly Repayment = $7,236
Yearly Repayment = $86,836
Total Interest = $71,557
Total Repayment = $434,178

10-year repayment schedule
Monthly Repayment = $4,272
Yearly Repayment = $51,263
Total Interest = $150,006
Total Repayment = $512,627

20-year repayment schedule
Monthly Repayment = $2,884
Yearly Repayment = $34,603
Total Interest = $329,448
Total Repayment = $692,069

http://dentistry.usc.edu/programs/dds/cost-of-attendance/
I noticed they don't update their tuition on the USC dental website. I guess they don't want applicants to experience the sticker-shock!
 
I contacted a member of dental town recently re: USC's cost of attendance. This particular member graduated from USC about 10 years ago. Here is what he/she had to say:


"Not rocket science here... avoid the debt if at all possible. If you have school choices that are more reasonably priced, pursue those. You still get a degree that, in the eyes of patients, is equivalent. Remember this: dental education is not an altruistic endeavor, it's a business that makes a profit. You are their profit.

USC Dental Alumni consits of some parties at the CDA convention and frequent mailings asking for donations, that's it. There was absolutely no assistance placing graduates or opportunities to foster your professional or business growth within school, unlike their MBA program. It's all about getting you through the system. All dental schools offer CE, which will be where most of your income growth potential will occur. i.e. better faster RCTs, how to place implants, practice management, etc.
Keep your debt below $200k. $500k is insane esp at the now higher student loan rates.
However, our clinical education while difficult, did prepare me for real world general dentistry. It failed at teaching the specialized procedures, like molar endo, implants, ortho.

Income depends on practice type and location. Southern Cal is dominated by insurance, so your income potential is hindered greatly. Very few fee for service practice in socal.

I graduated 2003 and in hindsight I wish I would have done a few things:
1) Identify a market inside of CA or outside of CA that is not insurance dominated, has an educated populace, and growth.
2) Make sure you go to a school that will prepare you for the board exam where you want to practice. I think most are doing Western regional and I think CA accepts that now?
3) Get your hands wet immediately upon graduation, unless you can specialize.
4) If you can specialize, specialize. Endo and ortho are very profitable, better work life balance.
5) But first things first, get into a dental school.

Most generals in San Diego are netting $150-$250K for established practice. Not great, really. But not as bad as MDs. There's a lot of soft benefits from owning your own practice unlike MDs who are mostly employees and W2d so not much in the way of deductions."

g'luck
 
I already posted this on the predental forum but I'll post again. See attached.

Fixed-costs Only
5-year repayment schedule
Monthly Repayment = $7,236
Yearly Repayment = $86,836
Total Interest = $71,557
Total Repayment = $434,178

10-year repayment schedule
Monthly Repayment = $4,272
Yearly Repayment = $51,263
Total Interest = $150,006
Total Repayment = $512,627

20-year repayment schedule
Monthly Repayment = $2,884
Yearly Repayment = $34,603
Total Interest = $329,448
Total Repayment = $692,069

http://dentistry.usc.edu/programs/dds/cost-of-attendance/


A few things also to consider. You will be paying this with after-tax money. If you take home $150k, which is not too likely right after graduation, your monthly take home will not easily allow for a 10-year payoff, let alone a 5-year. After federal and state income tax (if you stay in CA or any other state with income tax), you will be stuck with a 20+ year repayment schedule. This is before even considering living expenses, licensing, malpractice, etc. If you plan to purchase a practice or open one, the debt you will be servicing will be impossible to cover. People that go into this much debt will need to work as an associate, likely at a chain or corporate office, for a VERY LONG time. I think anyone considering going this route need to think long and hard about doing so. I would never go near that much debt. You're basically setting yourself up for a life of servitude to it back.
 
can any graduates of these insanely priced schools chime in on how they finances and such, I seriously doubt all of these grads go to the military since the military has limited spots. Problem is where im from (CA) the state schools are super tough to get into and even if I apply OOS they would charge me tuition that rivals that USC/NYU.

I'm not the type that will buy a ferrari after graduation/few after grad (high cost of maintaining too) but im not expecting to eat ramen and a run down apartment for a long time either:scared:
 
Problem is where im from (CA) the state schools are super tough to get into and even if I apply OOS they would charge me tuition that rivals that USC/NYU.

There are some dental schools in the south such as UT Houston and LSU where the total cost of attendance for all 4 years OOS is less than $200K. If I had to apply to dental schools today, I would strongly consider those options.
 
There are some dental schools in the south such as UT Houston and LSU where the total cost of attendance for all 4 years OOS is less than $200K. If I had to apply to dental schools today, I would strongly consider those options.

true but I stand a better chance of getting into Harvard Medical School than getting into UT houston dental school as an OOS. lol
 
Running USC's numbers, I got closer to 485K owed at graduation (using a mere 7.3% interest averaged between 6.8% and 7.9%). This is also assuming they do not increase prices at all for the next 4 years. Considering how student who are entering now will likely experience at least a little price increase, I think they are already at that 500K mark.
From 2012 to 2015, USC first year went from $114k to $126k. An average of 3.5% ⬆️ a year, and will cross a new milestone of $130k mark for the new freshmen this fall. Total of $500k for 4 yrs before interest (not including undergrad and residency cost).

People are still applying...

https://dentistry.usc.edu/programs/dds/cost-of-attendance/
 
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Some of the top private expensive schools ($400-500k range) are actually boasting about tuition increase.

Midwestern in AZ notes historic tuition increases of between 4-7% on their website. So the best case scenario, 2016-2017 will have 4% increase from this year's $428k total cost of attendance. That's $17k jump, or as high as $30k for next class. You do this over 5-10 years... Who knows if they will still be open for business.

https://www.midwestern.edu/Documents/Financial Aid documents/COA Forms/2015-16 AZ/Dental _ AZ 1516 final.pdf
 
Some of the top private expensive schools ($400-500k range) are actually boasting about tuition increase.

Midwestern in AZ notes historic tuition increases of between 4-7% on their website. So the best case scenario, 2016-2017 will have 4% increase from this year's $428k total cost of attendance. That's $17k jump, or as high as $30k for next class. You do this over 5-10 years... Who knows if they will still be open for business.

https://www.midwestern.edu/Documents/Financial Aid documents/COA Forms/2015-16 AZ/Dental _ AZ 1516 final.pdf

Hey are these schools for-profit? I'd love to buy their stocks now and sell in five years. I bet that itself would fund my dental education :D
 
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From 2012 to 2015, USC first year went from $114k to $126k. An average of 3.5% ⬆️ a year, and will cross a new milestone of $130k mark for the new freshmen this fall. Total of $500k for 4 yrs before interest (not including undergrad and residency cost).

People are still applying...

https://dentistry.usc.edu/programs/dds/cost-of-attendance/

you shouldnt be surprised given the applicant history in alot of other health care fields. Even though the USC pharmacy school has had a significant drop in applications they still have plenty of applicants compared to the seats available. Regardless of price, there are a lot of people applying to these high pricey schools. Western University dental school is also pretty expensive when you add up all the costs too.

*note I did not attend USC dental school.
 
lol even state schools have COA above 200k total. My state school COA for 4 years is a bit above 280k.... I will be living in my parents' basement for a very long time.
 
lol even state schools have COA above 200k total. My state school COA for 4 years is a bit above 280k.... I will be living in my parents' basement for a very long time.

not a bad idea, I did it my first two years. And it's becoming a worldwide thing for a lot of people to stay with their families. As long as the person is being productive, dont see anything wrong with it (ok except maybe when you're trying to get "fun in bed" with a significant other)
 
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lol maybe we should all be DSchool profs...decent salary, fat pension, easy work...when i interviewed at MWU-AZ, the dean told us that tuition increases are used for salary increases for the profs
 
Wild. In this economy I wonder how long it would take to service that tuition debt
 
Wild. In this economy I wonder how long it would take to service that tuition debt

You could service that debt in a day if you opened a dental school :p
 
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Now taking all applications! 1000 seats per class!!! First year cost of attendance $250K/student. 10% increase in tuition every year forward. Do not worry though, incoming students. You will be able to pay it all off easily and live a VERY comfortable life with a garage of sports cars, a mansion in Beverly Hills, and a Yacht.

I will create multiple bureaucratic positions in the spirit of university.

My title shall be Assistant Chair to the Provost to the Dean of Academic + Clinical Affairs for Periodontal discovery of Endodontic Significance. Salary: it doesn't matter...but $10M/year.
 
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USC Dean of clinical affairs reduced our clinic time to 4 sessions a week for seniors and 2 sessions a week for juniors. Each sessions is about 3 hours, unless you have rotations, we essentially sit at home 4 days a week. you can no longer choose which faculty you want to work with. My wife asked me why am I paying USC top dollars as a part time student LOL. Future applicants be warned. Oh that and PBL.
 
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USC Dean of clinical affairs reduced our clinic time to 4 sessions a week for seniors and 2 sessions a week for juniors. Each sessions is about 3 hours, unless you have rotations, we essentially sit at home 4 days a week. you can no longer choose which faculty you want to work with. My wife asked me why am I paying USC top dollars as a part time student LOL. Future applicants be warned. Oh that and PBL.

Ugh interviewing here soon..
But would you say that that gives you more time to focus on things that will help you get into a specialty program?
 
USC Dean of clinical affairs reduced our clinic time to 4 sessions a week for seniors and 2 sessions a week for juniors. Each sessions is about 3 hours, unless you have rotations, we essentially sit at home 4 days a week. you can no longer choose which faculty you want to work with. My wife asked me why am I paying USC top dollars as a part time student LOL. Future applicants be warned. Oh that and PBL.
Even if you dislike PBL, would you say that its better preparing you for real world critical thinking?
 
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USC Dean of clinical affairs reduced our clinic time to 4 sessions a week for seniors and 2 sessions a week for juniors. Each sessions is about 3 hours, unless you have rotations, we essentially sit at home 4 days a week. you can no longer choose which faculty you want to work with. My wife asked me why am I paying USC top dollars as a part time student LOL. Future applicants be warned. Oh that and PBL.

Why did they do this?
What kind/how many of procedures are USC students graduating with?
 
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