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Would taking the real MCAT and then voiding be smart for "real scenario" practice?
I wouldn't do it.Would taking the real MCAT and then voiding be smart for "real scenario" practice?
Only if you have money and time to burn.
wat...Considering schools can see voided MCAT attempts now I wouldnt particularly recommend it.
Really?Considering schools can see voided MCAT attempts now I wouldnt particularly recommend it.
rly?Considering schools can see voided MCAT attempts now I wouldnt particularly recommend it.
Since when??Considering schools can see voided MCAT attempts now I wouldnt particularly recommend it.
Considering schools can see voided MCAT attempts now I wouldnt particularly recommend it.
wat...
Really? That's lame as fk...
rly?
Since when??
And so the plot thickens...
Just curious: Do you get a score and it just doesn't get counted?
Welp this got a reaction from everybody fast.
For all those interested.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/should-i-reveal-that-i-voided-an-mcat.1158493/
Check out post 27 here from gonnif
"the new MCAT Score Reporting System allows admission staff to see the attempt as void".
Post 29 as well
"It is directional.
AMCAS will not send a report to a school that you have voided an exam
It will be noted in the MCAT score reporting system
Schools can actively look at the reporting system and see an attempt with no score."
Check out post 23 and 32 by gyngyn here as well where he basically states his school can see voided MCAT attempts now where it wasnt previously available
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...age-mcat-score-vs-which-look-at-best.1160426/
Absolutely agree with this. If not for the fact that I was taking the old MCAT in January 2015 and had no opportunity to retake it before the new MCAT, I felt so badly after my exam that I would have voided it.....which would have been a huge mistake as I too ended up scoring incredibly higher than I thought (higher than all my practice exams). For the full month after, before getting my scores, I was convinced I did terribly. I had never felt that way after a practice exam since I was used to the instant scoring. Taught me a big lesson - I was certain I had scored much lower than my practice exams because I hadn't ever felt that way after those exams but I was comparing apples to oranges.It takes weeks to get a score, and you have to void it as soon as you're finished taking the exam, so you don't know how well you do. Which is exactly why I think it's a poor "practice" strategy. When you take a practice test you get to see how well you do immediately. You don't realize how this paints your perception of your performance until you go 4-5 weeks without getting your score. I left thinking a train had run over me. A few weeks later I thought I may have done decently well. I ended up with my best score overall. So you have no idea how well you've actually done (within reason). Which is the main reason not to even consider voiding a test. Go with the intent of having it scored, and if you had time to answer every question then hit submit and ride it out.
No, you never get to find out how you did.Just curious: Do you get a score and it just doesn't get counted?
Lol this.Just buy the practice tests from AAMC and take it under test conditions. It's cheaper and less dumb.
Considering schools can see voided MCAT attempts now I wouldnt particularly recommend it.
@Goro @gyngyn @GrapesofRath
Regarding voided MCAT scores, according to the Princeton Review, voided scores and voided test can not be seen--what is going on? Is this new?
http://www.princetonreview.com/medical/mcat-faqs
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The new MCAT scoring report makes voided attempts much more readily accessible to schools as gonnif stated in the post I linked. The confusion here is what is officially sent to schools, no your voided attempts wont be seen. But in the MCAT score report that any school can easily look up for you, voided attempts will be available.
A very possible result from this is that the schools that "average multiple MCAT scores" or put more emphasis/scrutiny in multiple MCAT are more likely to look up this info. Those that simply just use the highest score available or generally put less weight in considering the fact someone took the test more than once are less likely to look this up.
The goal here wasnt to try and stir things up. It's more if you are just going in to "Wing the test" with no intention of having it scored, you should know what I mentioned. One voided MCAT attempt is not going to be the difference between you not getting accepted anywhere out of 20+ schools vs being accepted if you are otherwise a good applicant. It's just not worth stressing over and I would still void a test if I knew the test went very poorly over taking the poor score.
Yah just to clarify your last paragraph, feel free to disagree, I would also add that I think a voided MCAT score requires some context and adcoms probably recognize that. If you don't show up it shows up as voided, correct? If so, there are many reasons (many good reasons) why that may happen. Didn't feel ready on test day, illness, accident, flight delay if you had to fly to a testing location, family emergency, etc. if not, then voiding does send a pretty clear message: "did test, didn't feel good about it"
Would taking the real MCAT and then voiding be smart for "real scenario" practice?
I might be mixing up the STEP exams and the MCAT here, but there may very well be a clause in the agreement you consent to when registering for the MCAT that essentially states that taking the MCAT for this purpose is a no-go. I know that's the case for the STEP exams, but it wouldn't surprise me if a similar clause is in place for the MCAT. If one is, then you should be mindful of the fact that the AAMC may, depending upon what's included in such a clause, bar you from taking the exam in the future. If you're caught (perhaps a long shot), you would effectively be screwed.
As @darkjedi said, the less idiotic solution would be to buy the practice exams and simulate testing conditions. Voila, you now have yourself a practice MCAT with the exception of being in a sterile cubicle prison.
I might be mixing up the STEP exams and the MCAT here, but there may very well be a clause in the agreement you consent to when registering for the MCAT that essentially states that taking the MCAT for this purpose is a no-go. I know that's the case for the STEP exams, but it wouldn't surprise me if a similar clause is in place for the MCAT. If one is, then you should be mindful of the fact that the AAMC may, depending upon what's included in such a clause, bar you from taking the exam in the future. If you're caught (perhaps a long shot), you would effectively be screwed.
As @darkjedi said, the less idiotic solution would be to buy the practice exams and simulate testing conditions. Voila, you now have yourself a practice MCAT with the exception of being in a sterile cubicle prison.
To clarify, the new MCAT report will show an MCAT attempt was made with no score. Since voided exams are NEVER scored, there is nothing to report. Schools will not know if the student selected the void but certainly the majority will assume that.
I would never recommend any student do this.
Do you even have the option to void Step exams? There wouldnt be any need for the clause if your attempt is automatically scored like it is for many standardized tests.
From my experience when I took the MCAT i dont recall any clause like that but I also could easily be forgetting one of the many many things we had to agree to before taking the test.
Theoretically, I guess so. But practically, if you are smart, wouldn't it be very difficult to be caught?
Couldn't you easily say you were sick and/or had a really bad migraine? Or you could just say you had a sudden really bad stomach ache that day.
I guess AAMC could request medical documentation but that might be pushing it (since people might not want to disclose their medical issues)?
Would taking the real MCAT and then voiding be smart for "real scenario" practice?
Bad idea. Waste of time/money.
I also don't think post MCAT test feelings are accurate. You may feel like you did mediocre but in reality got a good score (happened to me and plenty of fellow SDNers ). So with a voided score you get even less value of it. Buy all the practice tests you can afford/get your hands on, better money spent, even if some companies test arent 100% reflective of the actual exam.
The new MCAT scoring report makes voided attempts much more readily accessible to schools as gonnif stated in the post I linked. The confusion here is what is officially sent to schools, no your voided attempts wont be seen. But in the MCAT score report that any school can easily look up for you, voided attempts will be available.
A very possible result from this is that the schools that "average multiple MCAT scores" or put more emphasis/scrutiny in multiple MCAT are more likely to look up this info. Those that simply just use the highest score available or generally put less weight in considering the fact someone took the test more than once are less likely to look this up.
The goal here wasnt to try and stir things up. It's more if you are just going in to "Wing the test" with no intention of having it scored, you should know what I mentioned. One voided MCAT attempt is not going to be the difference between you not getting accepted anywhere out of 20+ schools vs being accepted if you are otherwise a good applicant. It's just not worth stressing over and I would still void a test if I knew the test went very poorly over taking the poor score.
Hm so according to this previous forum*, it was confirmed through multiple channels that med schools will not be able to see a void. @Satire5Texul seemed to lead the thread, and it was confirmed through AAMC official email, AAMC twitter, AAMC webniar, MCAT prep sources. In the official MCAT hand book, it also says voided test will not be available to Adcoms, though the wording is somewhat ambiguous to allow the above loophole, which would be highly unethical**. If satire5 could provide the official email (assuming it is not confidential) that would be a big help. I will be contacting AAMC myself as well as my institutions pre-med advisor and post my findings. When I sit my MCAT I will also look to see if anything more explicit is said during the ~10 minutes you have to decide on voiding.
Right now, I see a preponderance of evidence saying a voided exam is as invisible (as was the previous orthodoxy) and 1 person on the internet without adcom flair saying it isn't (@gonnif , no disrespect)
* http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/do-schools-see-your-mcat-score-reporting-system.1159901/
**It would be unethical not to provide accurate information regarding a significantly consequential decision (as it is in obtaining informed consent in medical procedures/human subjects research, by analogy). I think it is particularly important for test-takers to know the gravity of their decisions when evaluating whether the test they took was worth voiding. It would be even more severe ethics violation if misleading information was provided.
Gonnif beat me to it and I'll just add in one of the previous discussions we had an ADCOM on here say we've been able to see applicants are voiding the mcat and are aware of it. I think it was also said by that ADCOM they've been seeing it frequently. So yes it can be seen.
Ultimately it's just not worth worrying about and I shouldn't have put that much emphasis on if earlier. Nevert plan to void. If have to go ahead and do it it'll be seen but rather unlikely to have a significant impact on your app
To clarify, adcoms could see an attempt was scheduled but no report is available. It wont say why. I believe it simply says cancelled. It wont say computer issue or student is no show, or any other reason.
So again, it is highly unlikely a medical school will ever see an applicant chose to void an exam nor is a void exam ever scored
Ok I did look back at the post involving gyggyn that you linked above, who said that it has been going on for some time but increasing in frequency (so this would go against the litany threads from back then, pre MCAT2015, saying that it is invisible). Further, I do understand the arguments that you reiterated (which explains my digging deeper and further back).
However, what I don't understand is how you would reconcile that the AAMC purportedly directly contradicted this via email (clarifying the equivocal statement in the official manual). Is the AAMC just jumping through semantic loopholes in providing this false and misleading information? Are they themselves ignorant to this?
So this is what concerns me. So if you sign up to take it, pay and register, but decide to drop it, will this show up as a "scheduled" with no score?
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To answer your questions
1) I dont have a good answer to the first one. It wouldnt surprise me if one of the AAMC reps who is on twitter answering questions isnt fully aware of the nuances we are talking about where your score report will mark that you took the MCAT without a score. Or perhaps they know any unscored attempts you on yor record and just simply choose not to explain the nuance behind this. I dont really have a good answer. What I can say and while this isnt really related is that you can argue it is "unethical" but there are policies in admission that could just as easily be labeled as "unethical". Not to derail the thread, but you could easily argue silent rejections schools do is unethical. Likewise, you could easily argue that schools being misleading in their policies of how they view multiple MCAT scores is also unethical(the vast majority of schools will say we use the highest score which is not the reality of the situation). Bottom line, while I get the concerns of something being "unethical", it's just not worth worrying about. On all sides of admission, be it the applicants, the schools, the AAMC etc you could find things that could be considered "unethical" if you dig deep enough.
2) I do believe a cancelled attempt where you dont even show up will show up on your MCAT score report exactly like voiding the test would. So no it is not distinguished .
To clarify, we do not receive evidence of voided exams on applications from AMCAS.Well regarding unethical, I would say this is in a different category where false/misleading information is provided. At any rate, you made me realize this at the very least is one of those things that I can not change and to accept it. It does add another layer of stress that could have easily been obviated by more exact wording in the AMCAS official handbook. I'm hoping that AMCAS writes something meaningful back, because (to repeat) they supposedly said via email that not only will voids not be seen but schools will not be able to look up any information that reveals this either.
But you are able to acquire information to discern whether a student voided the MCAT? (Or possibly, now-showed or dropped prior to test date?)To clarify, we do not receive evidence of voided exams on applications from AMCAS.
I've never tried.But you are able to acquire information to discern whether a student voided the MCAT? (Or possibly, now-showed or dropped prior to test date?)
I know this is a bump, but I couldn't find more detail anywhere else so I'm asking here: what does this new score breakdown look like? More than just the four subscores? What else is new about the reporting system?There is a whole new reporting system for the new MCAT that does a score breakdown for the exam.
Why don't you google it? Or try searching it?I know this is a bump, but I couldn't find more detail anywhere else so I'm asking here: what does this new score breakdown look like? More than just the four subscores? What else is new about the reporting system?
What makes you think I didn't? Per the second phrase of my post, "I couldn't find more detail anywhere else so I'm asking here."Why don't you google it? Or try searching it?
What makes you think I didn't? Per the second phrase of my post, "I couldn't find more detail anywhere else so I'm asking here."
I will make my question more specific: @gonnif, what else is fundamentally different about the new score report format aside from its now showing all of the test dates that an applicant signed up for? You are welcome to PM me with your answer if you prefer. Thanks!