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Which one gets your vote? I am assuming these 2 candidates are their party's nominee for 2016.
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I'm no fan of Hil-dawg. But Trump is a joke to most people in the world and we might choose to make him our president. What does that make us?
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I hope this is not the decision people have to make. I HATE Hillary and just about everything she stands for and I don't think Trump is a good presidential candidate- maybe some appointed financial position. That being said, given this choice, I'd vote for Trump.
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The only way I would vote for Hillary is if her opponent is Trump. Hoping Bernie Sanders can pull out a miracle
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Blade, you know I love you in a totally platonic way, but if you think Trump will be the GOP nominee, you're totally off your rocker.
It's unpossible. The establishment won't stand for it.
If I recall correctly, last election the GOP poll leader changed about 6 times, and every single time you jumped on the current leader to be our Obama savior. It was BS then and it's BS now.
Polls mean N O T H I N G before the first primary. It's just 24-hour news cycle bull****. He's leading a broad and splintered field during a period of time when 95%+ of people polled by phone HANG UP as soon as they hear it's a poll.
It'll be Bush, Rubio, or Cruz, god help us. Of those I think Rubio is probably the most electable vs Clinton.
It's unpossible. The establishment won't stand for it.
If I recall correctly, last election the GOP poll leader changed about 6 times, and every single time you jumped on the current leader to be our Obama savior. It was BS then and it's BS now.
Polls mean N O T H I N G before the first primary. It's just 24-hour news cycle bull****. He's leading a broad and splintered field during a period of time when 95%+ of people polled by phone HANG UP as soon as they hear it's a poll.
It'll be Bush, Rubio, or Cruz, god help us. Of those I think Rubio is probably the most electable vs Clinton.
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I used to feel the way that you do. There is widespread disgust of the political process and "establishment" candidates. Electing a Trump could be viewed as a bloodless revolution by the electorate. I think that he has a chance. I don't like any candidate. However the one that I despise the most is Trump. Despise The least: Christie or Kasich.
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Obama needs to run again.......
I will hold my nose and vote Hillary. I would actually vote for Sanders but he won't get the nomination. I realize a lot of people run from Sanders due to his "socialist" views but I think we need to have someone who understands that we are living in the second gilded age and if we don't strengthen the middle class we are doomed.
If Trump is elected then we may be in serious trouble, like WWIII kinda trouble. He can't talk about kicking the @sses of various foes like a high school football coach and expect to be taken seriously. If he ratchets things up with Putin or China they are not going to back down. His tax plan is another joke. His plan has been described as the Bush tax cuts on steroids which sounds great if you are in the 0.1% but is terrible for everyone else. Even those on the right have expressed serious doubts about his plan being revenue neutral as is claimed. His plan also relies on the false notion that tax cuts lead to economic growth.
If Trump is elected then we may be in serious trouble, like WWIII kinda trouble. He can't talk about kicking the @sses of various foes like a high school football coach and expect to be taken seriously. If he ratchets things up with Putin or China they are not going to back down. His tax plan is another joke. His plan has been described as the Bush tax cuts on steroids which sounds great if you are in the 0.1% but is terrible for everyone else. Even those on the right have expressed serious doubts about his plan being revenue neutral as is claimed. His plan also relies on the false notion that tax cuts lead to economic growth.
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I'm no fan of Trump but I do think he will win the nomination. IMHO, the three GOP candidates with the most likely chance of winning the GOP nomination are the following:
1. TRUMP- He will win NH
2. CRUZ- He will win IOWA
3. RUBIO- He may win Florida
Only Rubio can likely beat Clinton in a general election but I think he is the longest shot of the three to secure the nomination.
1. TRUMP- He will win NH
2. CRUZ- He will win IOWA
3. RUBIO- He may win Florida
Only Rubio can likely beat Clinton in a general election but I think he is the longest shot of the three to secure the nomination.
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Everyone please take a deep breath about Trump. These guys spell it out nicely:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trumps-six-stages-of-doom/
This is 24-hour news cycle circus.
He's raised no money. He won't spend any of his own. He's utterly dependent upon media attention. He can't win the election, and there's no way he gets the GOP nomination.
There hasn't been a single primary vote cast.
He might run as an independent and hand Hillary Clinton the election that way, but he won't be the GOP nominee.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trumps-six-stages-of-doom/
This is 24-hour news cycle circus.
He's raised no money. He won't spend any of his own. He's utterly dependent upon media attention. He can't win the election, and there's no way he gets the GOP nomination.
There hasn't been a single primary vote cast.
He might run as an independent and hand Hillary Clinton the election that way, but he won't be the GOP nominee.
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Carson, anyone? I like him. A bit too religious for me, but nobody is perfect.
Seriously? This guy's own foreign policy advisor basically called him a ******. He seems like a nice guy with a great backstory and he loves bringing up the slavery/Hitler/Obama analogies that everyone in crazy town loves, but he is not fit for the presidency.
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PGG,
I'm not a Trump fan. I'd much rather have Jim Webb over Trump and I'm a staunch GOP conservative. Trump isn't fit to be POTUS. While I support Cruz at this point I doubt he can beat Clinton in a general election. But, I'm still voting for Cruz this Spring. If Rubio wins the nomination I'll get behind him.
I'm really hoping you are right about Trump because I don't want to vote for him or see him as President.
Jim Webb, now that is a guy who should be president. Or John McCain for that matter (I think Obama would have lost to McCain if McCain hadn't chosen that inbred ***** as his VP). I feel if we are going to keep going b@lls-to-the-wall into conflict then we need people in office who have been in serious combat. No more of these draft dodging idiots throwing away young lives, I feel those who have served know the stakes and would make the right decisions.
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David Palmer 2016.
If those are our two nominees, I'm writing his name in the ballot.
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I'm not saying I'm a huge Trump supporter or anything, but when I open this thread and see Hillary winning, I threw up in my mouth a little.
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Why am I not surprised you support Cruz??? I bet you think that global warming is a liberal conspiracy and that evolution is an ungodly idea too!
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Did you guys know that climate change is religion not science?
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/20...-the-difference-between-science-and-religion/
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/20...-the-difference-between-science-and-religion/
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Not a Trump fan, and regardless of the polls, I doubt when voters (not poll answerers) actually get in the voting booth, they're not voting for Trump.
It truly amazes me than anyone would even consider voting for Hillary - there's not a single positive thing anyone can say about her.
And neither was Obama, but we see how that worked out.
It truly amazes me than anyone would even consider voting for Hillary - there's not a single positive thing anyone can say about her.
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Kasich is reasonable. Most of the rest are among the most hypocritical, dishonest bunch in recent memory. I'm not a fan of Hillary, but her beliefs are way more in line with mine than the republicans.
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I don't know, except for Trump, most of these guys aren't worse than the 2012 caravan of clowns. Perry, Santorum, Bachman.
We've got Carson running again, but I'm not sure if he's any goofier now than in 2012, and he's not a serious candidate.
I was a big fan of Gary Johnson, and I think he could've handily beaten Obama in 2012, but the GOP stupidly chased him off to the libertarian party.
Maybe this year the GOP will decide it's tired of its Losing With Style trademark, and decide it's past time they won with a reasonable candidate. Clinton is beatable, especially if she's stupid enough to open carry her gun control ideas into the general election.
We've got Carson running again, but I'm not sure if he's any goofier now than in 2012, and he's not a serious candidate.
I was a big fan of Gary Johnson, and I think he could've handily beaten Obama in 2012, but the GOP stupidly chased him off to the libertarian party.
Maybe this year the GOP will decide it's tired of its Losing With Style trademark, and decide it's past time they won with a reasonable candidate. Clinton is beatable, especially if she's stupid enough to open carry her gun control ideas into the general election.
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Rand Paul. Closest to being a libertarian. Gary Johnson can't seem to take anything seriously these days otherwise I'd vote for him.
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Disagree. Open and honest efforts at gun control is only a losing issue for the Democrats. After Sandy Hook Obama et al momentarily stepped away from their "under the radar" efforts and made an open attempt. The end result was the best membership drive for the NRA in history.
The only thing gun control proponents accomplished then was to show their true colors and emphatically convince us to never agree to anything, never compromise again. Because they lie, lie, lie. And we've been compromising for 150 years, and nothing short of a total ban will be enough for them in the end.
Appointing judges who'll creatively interpret the Constitution and chip away at the 2nd Amendment is the only way gun control will be advanced.
Much of the Republican Party makes me sick. I hate the evangelical fringe, the party's bottomless well of fear, its anti-intellectual pride. But I can't vote for a Democrat ever again, because they give us Kagans and Sotomayors.
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The republicans gave us arguably the dumbest justice in history with good ol Clarence Thomas. And "stuck in his ways," angry-grampa-at-thanksgiving Scalia is a hypocritical dinosaur.
What were the lies and what did Obama try to do that he was initially hiding? I'll look it up eventually but I'm going to have to fact check everywhere I look because EVERYONE has an agenda. I'm sure in my opinion whatever they suggested didn't go NEARLY far enough.
And the last 150 years of compromise must have been very trying. You're actually forced to wait 5-7 business days for your AR-15 to arrive in the mail from grabagun (a real site). Unless a show is in town. Then you can get it now. Godd@mn brutal compromise.
We agree about many of the republicans. The centrists like Kasich aren't the buffoons ruining the party though.
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Seeing that Hillary is winning this poll, says a lot more about what a disaster people think Trump will be then anything favorable about her.
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Do you all really think Trump is an idiot? Is it possible he's playing to a populist sentiment while using the media to get free publicity?
We have showed repeatidly that competency and articulating solid plans and vision for the country won't win you the office.
We have showed repeatidly that competency and articulating solid plans and vision for the country won't win you the office.
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I don't think he's an idiot. I Really don't think he's as brilliant as people give him credit though. I don't think he understands exactly how dangerous and divisive his speech is. I doubt that he wants his legacy to be as horrendous as its going to be. History will NOT look on his campaign and name favorably.
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1. Climate Change- The Climate has always been changing on Earth. While some believe man is the main force behind the climate change I do not. I think the hoopla over man made climate changes are exaggerated to fit a political agenda.
2. Evolution- Evidence for evolution is weak by scientific standards (that's why it is just a theory with missing links) but any evolution which did occur was performed by the guiding hand of the Lord Himself.
These 2 issues are minor compared to our spiraling debt, bad public policy of free-handouts and subsidies along with our inept commander in chief.
The only 2 GOP candidates who I trust to try to curtail govt. spending are Rand Paul and Ted Cruz; that's the issue which matters to me the most. My second biggest issue is NATIONAL SECURITY and I give the edge to Cruz over Paul on that one.
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Biggest issues our country is facing and if we don't address them they will be our demise.
Many Americans and the whole Democrat party are in denial of this and that's why many people think our country is screwed.
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So the national debt and how much money u are going to pay in taxes next year are more important than the scientifically proven fact that we are destroying this planet?
And to support your opinion that science is not necessary since we have the bible, you are advocating that we should all agree that the world was created by someone who lives in the sky and that Noah put all the species of creatures on one boat and saved them from the great flood???
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"someone who lives in the sky"?
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Really? When is the last time you gave penicillin before incision? Or the Lord Himself wishes MRSA just for kicks and giggles?
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The hole in the ozone layer caused by cfcs disagree with you. As do the increasing temperature of the oceans, the melting arctic shelves and steadily increasing amounts of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.
But evidence for evolution is weak? You have to be kidding me blade. "It is just a theory"? Really? From someone who deals with multidrug resistant organisms on a daily basis?
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Microevolution and macroevolution are entirely different ideas, and the former does not prove the latter.
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Side issues like Climate change and evolution are a distraction from the serious issues we all face as a nation.
1. National debt and free handouts/subsidies
2. National Security
3. Weak Economy
4. Unemployment.
My religious views on God and Evolution do not impact 1-4; my vote depends on the candidates views on 1-4.
As for "Climate Change" I'm for common sense solutions to improve our environment over the next 2 decades and not for solutions which devastate our economy.
I'm not the nut in this discussion. Most Americans want sensible, common sense policies on the environment which won't hurt our economy while at the same time preserving the beautiful planet we all share together.
Believe what you want about God as I'm not voting for a candidate based on his/her Faith or views on evolution. It's not relevant to the real issues this nation faces today.
1. National debt and free handouts/subsidies
2. National Security
3. Weak Economy
4. Unemployment.
My religious views on God and Evolution do not impact 1-4; my vote depends on the candidates views on 1-4.
As for "Climate Change" I'm for common sense solutions to improve our environment over the next 2 decades and not for solutions which devastate our economy.
I'm not the nut in this discussion. Most Americans want sensible, common sense policies on the environment which won't hurt our economy while at the same time preserving the beautiful planet we all share together.
Believe what you want about God as I'm not voting for a candidate based on his/her Faith or views on evolution. It's not relevant to the real issues this nation faces today.
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I don't get why a candidate's view on God, Atheism, Noah, etc matters so much in this day and age. I agree that it matters in Iowa and SC but not much in NH and Florida or most of the nation
Contrary to the atheists on this board I know that true followers of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob value all human life. All life is precious and as such we must do what we can to help our fellow man, preserve life and avoid war.
Bush made a big mistake when he invaded Iraq and even bigger mistake when he disbanded the Sunni Iraqi military. That said, Obama made a huge error when he refused to leave a force of US soldiers behind in Iraq to keep the peace.
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If those were the only chioces I would vote Trump. From my understanding, he would run the country like a business and could get us out of some major financial debt. Since he is a billionaire and knows how to finance.
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I was supporting Rubio until Rand Paul made it clear to me that Rubio was another tax and spend politician. We don't have the money for more trillion dollar programs.
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...rubio-not-conservative-proposes-1-trillion-b/
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...rubio-not-conservative-proposes-1-trillion-b/
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If Clinton wins the election I'll be disappointed in our crony system of government because she broke the law in her handling of top secret e mails. Instead of getting community service and a reprimand she gets the Presidency and the White House.
http://nypost.com/2015/09/27/yes-hillary-clinton-broke-the-law/
http://nypost.com/2015/09/27/yes-hillary-clinton-broke-the-law/
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"A former senior State Department official who served before the Obama administration said that although it was hard to be certain, it seemed unlikely that classified information could be kept out of the more than 30,000 emails that Mrs. Clinton's staff identified as involving government business.
" 'I would assume that more than 50 percent of what the secretary of state dealt with was classified,' said the former official, who would speak only on the condition of anonymity because he did not want to seem ungracious to Mrs. Clinton. 'Was every single email of the secretary of state completely unclassified? Maybe, but it's hard to imagine.' "
" 'I would assume that more than 50 percent of what the secretary of state dealt with was classified,' said the former official, who would speak only on the condition of anonymity because he did not want to seem ungracious to Mrs. Clinton. 'Was every single email of the secretary of state completely unclassified? Maybe, but it's hard to imagine.' "
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You mean like Trump handled his company that has declared bankruptcy and reorganized its debt 4 times?
Or how he would be much more rich if he never started his company and just invested his money? (http://www.moneytalksnews.com/why-youre-probably-better-investing-than-donald-trump/)
Not trying to single you out, but I just don't understand the mindset that "he's a businessman so he'll fix the economy, which is relatively "fixed" anyways (http://thehill.com/policy/finance/2...conomy-better-now-than-when-obama-took-office)
Or how he would be much more rich if he never started his company and just invested his money? (http://www.moneytalksnews.com/why-youre-probably-better-investing-than-donald-trump/)
Not trying to single you out, but I just don't understand the mindset that "he's a businessman so he'll fix the economy, which is relatively "fixed" anyways (http://thehill.com/policy/finance/2...conomy-better-now-than-when-obama-took-office)
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