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Vote for President

  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 150 52.1%

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    Votes: 138 47.9%
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Doctor4Life1769 said:
Go ahead and waste your vote.
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Didn't you just say you would vote for Trump? Talk about a waste. His remarks and rhetoric resemble those of Hitler. Nothing will change in this country unless people vote for a third party. Rand Paul has a HUGE and understated following.
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Silent Cool said:
Didn't you just say you would vote for Trump? Talk about a waste. His remarks and rhetoric resemble those of Hitler. Nothing will change in this country unless people vote for a third party. Rand Paul has a HUGE and understated following.
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How is a vote for the potential Republican nominee (I'd only vote for him if he actually won the nomination) a waste? Rand Paul has a "HYUUUUGE!!!1111!!!!ol" following alright, that's why he SUSPENDED his campaign and he hasn't been in the top 4. He isn't viable and never has been. He is a less aspergerish version of his father, but has no charisma. His followers are his followers because of his aspergerish dad. That is a huge waste of a vote.

Trump isn't a Hitler clone. He's just pandering and his Trumpettes have actually taken what he said to a whole new warped level of xenophobia and racism. Trump wants to get rid of illegals and prevent refugees who have not been vetted from entering the country, he never said anything about removing every Muslim in this country that are already citizens. His following OTOH have taken it to the extreme. He is the only republican candidate in favor of social policies that continue Medicare/Medicaid and also Planned Parenthood. I don't care about his policies with abortion, chances are he'll be pretty liberal or moderate with it at the end of the day. He certainly wouldn't pull a Cruzy on it. He's definitely got his baggage when it comes to being abrasive, a blow-hard, and engaging in conversation that is considered sexist, and he's certainly proud of his accomplishments, but the more he talks, the more he is revealing where his stance would likely be. He is a Democrat who is fiscally conservative and I'm okay with that. I prefer that over a socialist and a dog-barking fraud or a robot who breaks down under pressure. Cruz is a true danger as well to this nation's progressiveness.

Sanders reminds me of one who is dead set on class warfare and total destruction of what this country stands for. Sanders, in an effort to prove that he is "one with the brotha!!" Supports a washed up rapper who stupidly voiced anti-female sentiment in an attempt to knock on Hillary. Sanders is trying to pose as this White Knight that we are all looking for, reminds me of Obama. If it was a Trump supporter, he would have caught hell for it.

If Rand actually had a pair of legs to stand on, sure I'd vote for him. But, this is just not the case. Ben Carson is a great guy and NSG, but a terrible politician. I'd much rather put my vote to Trump over the Democratic frauds. At the very least, he would protect the financial interests of the working class professionals.
 
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Doctor4Life1769 said:
So, you're basically throwing away the vote. He made his announcement in January and openly admits that he doesn't expect to beat Hillary or Bernie or Trump. He has no media coverage, he has no name recognition and his attempt in 2012 was.... Uneventful.
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Throwing away my vote? Hahaha. I'm not voting for any of the ass clowns up for grabs. I could be persuaded, maybe, for Ben Carson, maybe. But he's not going to be the nominee.

Nope. If we are deciding to vote for the lesser of two evils instead of who fits our personal notion of what or who the president should be, then that is what I consider throwing a vote away.
 
Doctor4Life1769 said:
We will see how well the Establishment bends and unites behind Trump should he win the nomination. If they don't, then we could see a split potentially, and Trump's populist party could become the new second party and turn the current GOP into a 3rd party as undoubtedly some would shift. It would be like the olden days where the Republican Party of then is nowhere near being the equivalent of the current Republican Party.

Sanders has his own populist groupie as well.

It would be awesome to see the Establishment on both sides be destroyed.
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Sanders is completely establishment.
 
Random Resident said:
Throwing away my vote? Hahaha. I'm not voting for any of the ass clowns up for grabs. I could be persuaded, maybe, for Ben Carson, maybe. But he's not going to be the nominee.

Nope. If we are deciding to vote for the lesser of two evils instead of who fits our personal notion of what or who the president should be, then that is what I consider throwing a vote away.
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You are free to vote for whomever.
 
Random Resident said:
Sanders is completely establishment.
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In the sense that he is a Senator, absolutely.
His ideas and his backers aren't exactly considered Establishment though.

I like how he side-stepped the issue about the VA's healthcare system and did not address the rationed/delayed care. Same with what happens in Europe under their universal health care.

He was reluctant to admit that increasing the minimal wage would increase cost of living, and downplayed it.

He doesn't have a clue what he is saying or doing. I cannot vote for this socialist curmudgeon.
 
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Bernstein doesn't understand why tuition and education debt is as high as it is.
Gov't has created a bubble and has turned education into a big business via their massive loan handouts a la the massive loan handouts during the real estate bubble.
Universities can charge an arm and a leg because they know they'll get it.
He wants to tax us further and not solve the root cause.
Bernstein is a supporter of big business, class warfare, and the breakdown of the fundamentals this nation was built upon without actually admitting to it.
 
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Doctor4Life1769 said:
In the sense that he is a Senator, absolutely.
His ideas and his backers aren't exactly considered Establishment though.

I like how he side-stepped the issue about the VA's healthcare system and did not address the rationed/delayed care. Same with what happens in Europe under their universal health care.

He was reluctant to admit that increasing the minimal wage would increase cost of living, and downplayed it.

He doesn't have a clue what he is saying or doing. I cannot vote for this socialist curmudgeon.
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He also talks big about auditing the fed, then votes for bills supporting it. Not a great anti war record. Wife is a crook and doesn't speak out against her field. Many things. The young and dumb just don't hear Hillary-type things. Plus, Vermont is a bastion of the absurd, as beautiful as it is.
 
Random Resident said:
He also talks big about auditing the fed, then votes for bills supporting it. Not a great anti war record. Wife is a crook and doesn't speak out against her field. Many things. The young and dumb just don't hear Hillary-type things. Plus, Vermont is a bastion of the absurd, as beautiful as it is.
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It's incredible how many Bern Bros I know and have as friends especially via Facebook, and how many of them just don't have a clue. They hear "free" and literally do think it's free. The few that understand taxes will be raised state "if it's only a few percentage but we get FREE ______ fck yes it's totally worth it!!!"

I just stop and say fck it, because I think Hillary will still end up winning the Nomination thanks to her super delegates.
 
Doctor4Life1769 said:
Bernstein doesn't understand why tuition and education debt is as high as it is.
Gov't has created a bubble and has turned education into a big business via their massive loan handouts a la the massive loan handouts during the real estate bubble.
Universities can charge an arm and a leg because they know they'll get it.
He wants to tax us further and not solve the root cause.
Bernstein is a supporter of big business, class warfare, and the breakdown of the fundamentals this nation was built upon without actually admitting to it.
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Trump wins decisively, Hillary beats Bernie, and Cruz/Rubio neck and neck for second place while Jeb Bush has dropped out.

Hillary is going to absolutely destroy Trump head to head and I'm going to vote for a sack of potatoes.
 
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SitraAchra said:
Trump wins decisively, Hillary beats Bernie, and Cruz/Rubio neck and neck for second place while Jeb Bush has dropped out.

Hillary is going to absolutely destroy Trump head to head and I'm going to vote for a sack of potatoes.
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In the end it will be Rubio vs Clinton.
 
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BLADEMDA said:
In the end it will be Rubio vs Clinton.
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I believe you are correct.

Jeb quit today. All his votes will go to someone not named Trump. The more the field thins, he harder it gets for Trump.

Every time I worry that Trump might pull it off, I try to remind myself of the big picture: Only 3 states have had their primaries, and Trump doesn't have that much of a delegate lead over the less insane candidates. It's February.
 
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pgg said:
I believe you are correct.

Jeb quit today. All his votes will go to someone not named Trump. The more the field thins, he harder it gets for Trump.

Every time I worry that Trump might pull it off, I try to remind myself of the big picture: Only 3 states have had their primaries, and Trump doesn't have that much of a delegate lead over the less insane candidates. It's February.
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If only Carson and Kasich would suspend their campaigns the odds of Rubio beating Trump improves greatly. Three man race and I think Rubio wins the nomination.
 
BLADEMDA said:
If only Carson and Kasich would suspend their campaigns the odds of Rubio beating Trump improves greatly. Three man race and I think Rubio wins the nomination.
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Kasich did too well in New Hampshire to quit now. I bet he stays through Super Tuesday.

No idea what Carson is thinking now. Actually, I have no idea what he was ever thinking.
 
Ted Cruz isn't getting out any time soon, so Rubio doesn't have a clear path. He hasn't won JACK so far.

On a side note, in addition to Hillary, I don't like listening to Rubio talk. He always seems frenetic and scared of something. Cruz is terrible too, with that nasally pipsqueak voice. He sounds EXACTLY like Dana Carvey's impression of George Bush.
Trump and Kasich sound natural.
 
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Carson will stick around the Vanity vote (and to sell his book) while at the same time be the guy who hinders Cruz. As long as he is there, he can cut into Cruzy. This will allow Trump to continue with his liar rhetoric, same with Rubio. Cruzy is done thanks to Carson. Kasich had no investment in SC, and will continue on since he is focusing on the Moderates and the Midwesterners. He also will likely try to be the VP candidate, so will need to stay in to remain relevant. I expect Trump and Cruz to zero in on Robo-Rubio and I expect another malfunction coming up especially after the way Christie broke him after the momentum he had going into NH. There is no way Robot wins against Hillary. She will easily destroy him in the debate if both facing each other. They are both establishment and nobody trusts establishment at this point.

Trump will win the GOP nomination. He knows how to play the media, that is the difference between him and Bernstein.
 
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BLADEMDA said:
If only Carson and Kasich would suspend their campaigns the odds of Rubio beating Trump improves greatly. Three man race and I think Rubio wins the nomination.
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I'm not convinced Carson supporters go to Robot.
Carson supporters will likely distribute between Trump and possibly Cruz due to Evangelist vote.
 
I agree it's likely to be Rubio vs. Hillary in the end.

However, if Cruz doesn't drop out, then it'll make Rubio's pathway to the nomination more difficult.

Rubio needs to cut a deal with Cruz so Cruz drops out.

For example, Rubio could offer Cruz the VP or SCOTUS nomination. The big problem though is VP and SCOTUS nominations will be difficult for Cruz. Cruz as VP won't necessarily help Rubio and in fact it might even hurt Rubio to have Cruz as his VP. SCOTUS is more of a natural fit for Cruz given Cruz's resume, etc., but Cruz will likely struggle to get the SCOTUS nomination because his own party hates him and he might not be able to get enough of his own party's Senators to vote for him even if Rubio nominates him.

The bigger point is that Cruz needs to drop out, and the sooner, the better. Otherwise if Cruz stays in long enough, he'll keep dividing the anti-Trump votes in his party, when the Republicans need to consolidate all the votes if they don't want Trump and/or a brokered convention. But what can motivate Cruz to drop out?

Or we could just watch it all burn, which might be even more interesting. :)
 
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bashwell said:
I agree it's likely to be Rubio vs. Hillary in the end.

However, if Cruz doesn't drop out, then it'll make Rubio's pathway to the nomination more difficult.

Rubio needs to cut a deal with Cruz so Cruz drops out.

For example, Rubio could offer Cruz the VP or SCOTUS nomination. The big problem though is VP and SCOTUS nominations will be difficult for Cruz. Cruz as VP won't necessarily help Rubio and in fact it might even hurt Rubio to have Cruz as his VP. SCOTUS is more of a natural fit for Cruz given Cruz's resume, etc., but Cruz will likely struggle to get the SCOTUS nomination because his own party hates him and he might not be able to get enough of his own party's Senators to vote for him even if Rubio nominates him.

The bigger point is that Cruz needs to drop out, and the sooner, the better. Otherwise if Cruz stays in long enough, he'll keep dividing the anti-Trump votes in his party, when the Republicans need to consolidate all the votes if they don't want Trump and/or a brokered convention. But what can motivate Cruz to drop out?

Or we could just watch it all burn, which might be even more interesting. :)
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No way Robot and Cruz broker a deal. They have nothing in common and there is nothing Robot could offer Cruz as you mentioned above. Trump OTOH could still mend things with Cruz and broker a deal. I doubt Trump would do that though because Cruz would not benefit him. Hence, Cruz sticks around. His supporters would likely support Trump more than Rubio. I believe Cruz is what is limiting Trump at this point.

I would love for Trump and Cruz to broker a deal to cause a total Rubio malfunction only because it would be hilarious and keep things interesting.
 
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Doctor4Life1769 said:
No way Robot and Cruz broker a deal. They have nothing in common and there is nothing Robot could offer Cruz as you mentioned above. Trump OTOH could still mend things with Cruz and broker a deal. I doubt Trump would do that though because Cruz would not benefit him. Hence, Cruz sticks around. His supporters would likely support Trump more than Rubio. I believe Cruz is what is limiting Trump at this point.
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In which case I'll go with the let it all burn option. :)
 
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bashwell said:
In which case I'll go with the let it all burn option. :)
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I thought the fact that Hillary and Trump are LEADING was proof the burning is already underway.
 
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I found out that *edited by mod - offensive* has been mired in credit card debt for most of this adult life, revealing a debt load as high as 65K in 2015 prior to his campaign. In addition, home boy claims to not be backed by a Super PAC or corporations. He is backed by a nursing Super PAC and several corporations: https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?id=N00000528&

Are the millennials this stupid to vote and support a ?70 y/o guy who can't even budget his own finances and credit card debt? This country will be in BIG trouble if he is somehow elected. After losing in Nevada, I think he will lose the rest of the way except for some favorable states. Too bad Hillary is the other option.

Robot is being propped up by the GOP Establishment. I can't wait for a total melt down in the upcoming debate. Trump needs to hit him often and hard. Cruz does too. Trump and Robot have been quite nice to each other, rumor has it there could be a joint ticket if Trump wins out with Robot as the VP.
 
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Silent Cool said:
Didn't you just say you would vote for Trump? Talk about a waste. His remarks and rhetoric resemble those of Hitler. Nothing will change in this country unless people vote for a third party. Rand Paul has a HUGE and understated following.
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And there we have it...Godwin's Law in effect.
 
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bashwell said:
I agree it's likely to be Rubio vs. Hillary in the end.
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It's been 3 states and Rubio hasn't won anything. I don't see him winning nevada, texas, or even in florida. Just don't see a path for Rubio. He's run an election cycle too early, hasn't accomplished anything. Cruz will mostly likely drop out before Kasich and Rubio. He'll get embarrassed in his home state of Texas. Kasich stays in for a shot at michigan, ohio proving to be a formidable VP candidate and at the same time splitting the establishment vote with Rubio. Perhaps, by mid april to may, Trump will lock up the nomination.
 
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Anybody privy to Trump's proposed healthcare policy beyond "I'm gonna replace Obamacare with something great"?
 
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nimbus said:
Anybody privy to Trump's proposed healthcare policy beyond "I'm gonna replace Obamacare with something great"?
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He already said it.
He's going to open up competition for insurance, encourage use of health savings accounts, and probably continue with Medicaid I imagine for those who can't afford anything. He seems to want to keep Medicare/Medicaid.
 
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pgg said:
I believe you are correct.

Jeb quit today. All his votes will go to someone not named Trump. The more the field thins, he harder it gets for Trump.

Every time I worry that Trump might pull it off, I try to remind myself of the big picture: Only 3 states have had their primaries, and Trump doesn't have that much of a delegate lead over the less insane candidates. It's February.
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Ehhhhh... doesn't look like that happened at all, at least in Nevada. Trump got more votes than Cruz and Rubio combined. The only way I see Trump not winning the nomination at this point is if Cruz or Rubio drop out before Super Tuesday and voters consolidate behind a SINGLE non-Trump candidate - Rubio looks like the best chance. But that's not going to happen, and Trump will win every March 1 primary except maybe Texas.

Trump and Hillary are going to win the nominations, and Trump will be the next president - there will be enough Bernie supporters who will hold their noses and vote for a bombastic-yet-moderate Trump than Clinton. Or they'll just stay home - they hate her that much - and Republicans will win on turnout. Also, all Trump has to say is "I've bought politicians like you my entire life" in a debate and it will be over.

So we better start preparing our minds to accept the reality of "President Donald Trump".
 
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So who is Trump going to pick at his VP running mate?

Smart money is on Rubio or Kasich... but "smart money" has been wrong a lot lately.
 
Morzh said:
So who is Trump going to pick at his VP running mate?

Smart money is on Rubio or Kasich... but "smart money" has been wrong a lot lately.
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Probably someone completely anti-Establishment, just for kicks and giggles.
 
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Random Resident said:
And those people just happen to be the ones who want everything you don't. Amirite?
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It was a hilarious comment that Trump made after the Nevada primary. Not a statement related to my own beliefs at all.

I don't know if anyone on earth can claim only the educated on their side of the issues. Even issues that demand credulity like literal belief in the bible or anti-climate changers or Conspiracy theorists. Uneducated don't have a monopoly on lack of common sense, and education doesn't equate with intelligence.
 
Pooh & Annie said:
It was a hilarious comment that Trump made after the Nevada primary. Not a statement related to my own beliefs at all.

I don't know if anyone on earth can claim only the educated on their side of the issues. Even issues that demand credulity like literal belief in the bible or anti-climate changers or Conspiracy theorists. Uneducated don't have a monopoly on lack of common sense, and education doesn't equate with intelligence.
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Whew. Too often you see that sort of rhetoric. From both sides, and it would be infuriating if it weren't so sad. But be careful when it comes to climate change or conspiracy theories. The last thing a lot of people say before wiping egg off their face is "the science is SETTLED."
 
You don't become "educated" only by attending college or getting some degree! I know many people with very shiny degrees who are illiterate in my opinion!
 
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