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She would need to raise her gpa, so she should work the rest of her third and fourth year to get as many A's as she can. A post bac or masters program may also be beneficial for her. Also, the fact that she has hundreds of hours shadowing in YOUR office may be problematic if she was specifically shadowing you. I don't doubt that she actually shadowed XXX amount of hours, but members of an admissions committee might since you are her mother. For that reason, she should probably shadow another dentist. It can only help to boost her application anyway.This question is regarding my daughter and her chance for acceptance to dental school. She is trying to choose a career path with dentistry as her first choice but we are not sure if that is still obtainable. I have been practicing dentistry for 30 years now. Graduated from University of Tennessee. She is third year of college, behind schedule because she played college golf. She quit golf because her grades were suffering. She still hasn't had organic chem or taken DAT. She spent two summers chair side assisting for me so as shadowing goes she would have hundreds of hours. Her GPA is 3.0 as well as science GPA 3.0. In addition, she is Hispanic. Any serious comments would be welcome. And by the way, dentistry is a wonderful career.
The vet hours won't count as dental shadowing hours, but you can still put them on your application and try to explain why you shadowed so much in that field.ok so after applying to vet school and getting rejection after rejection, I was thinking of giving something else a long shot, like dental school. I was looking for some advice on my experience and the DAT. I have like a million vet hours but no dental hours. Is it pertinent that i get dental hours or do you think my vet hours could be substituted?
also, how hard is the DAT?
please do not reply if you are going to say something mean or snooty. I'm simply looking for friendly advice and some help making some tough life decisions.
thanks
I would definitely come up with some very sound reasons why choose dentistry.Do you think dental schools would take me seriously and not just think I'm pursuing dentistry as a backup?
Do you think of it as a backup? If you treat your shadowing like an opportunity to explore another path, as opposed a backup, then you will be able to make the decision much more soundly.Do you think dental schools would take me seriously and not just think I'm pursuing dentistry as a backup?
oGPA: 3.6
sGPA: 3.4 (did poorly first 2 years but picked it up really hard the last 2 years in upper level courses like the biochem series (got 3.6s in those classes), immunology, cell bio, genetics, etc.).
DAT: (23AA, 23TS)
I live in WA. Should I bother applying to UW?
Yes, 100%.
Just another worried future applicant:
I am Canadian Citizen (so international student)
GPA trend: 3.35--> 3.53--> pending..
DAT: 20 TS and 20 AA (nothing below 17)
Shadowing: over 100 hrs.
Bit of volunteer works and worked as research assistant in two labs.
Which school do you guys recommend applying?
I am planning to retake the DAT to apply for UPenn.
(Do you think i will have a chance if i retake???)
Any comments are welcomed!
Apply to lots of schools, at least 15 or 20, with many of them being private. Only apply to state schools that take many out of state students each year, like Louisville. Choose schools that your DAT and GPA generally fall with in the same range of the schools average. Just off the top of my head I would recommend the following: UNLV, Louisville, Dalhousie, Roseman, Nova, Midwestern, Case Western, Arizona, LECOM... I'm sure you can find others by looking at Doc Toothache's statistics sheet that he has compiled. I have attached it so you don't have to go looking for it. Hope this helps.Can anyone please give me some advice?
Thanks in advance!!
Apply to at least 10 schools and you should get some bites.Can anyone please give me some advice?
Thanks in advance!!
Thanks so much!!!Apply to lots of schools, at least 15 or 20, with many of them being private. Only apply to state schools that take many out of state students each year, like Louisville. Choose schools that your DAT and GPA generally fall with in the same range of the schools average. Just off the top of my head I would recommend the following: UNLV, Louisville, Dalhousie, Roseman, Nova, Midwestern, Case Western, Arizona, LECOM... I'm sure you can find others by looking at Doc Toothache's statistics sheet that he has compiled. I have attached it so you don't have to go looking for it. Hope this helps.
Thank you!Apply to at least 10 schools and you should get some bites.
Hi guys. 3.0 science 3.5 overall. Econ major with a strong upward trend. Will take DAT.. What are my chances if i apply early and broadly? What if I wait until January to apply?
So if I apply in June and take Dat in July will I be good? Wont schools auto reject if they see my subpar gpa without a Dat score yet? Thanks a bunch!Zero chance if you apply in January....
Just make it easy on yourself and take the DAT in late May and apply in June. Put the extra effort in to be ready a couple months earlier for the DAT and then you won't wonder if schools rejected you cause you hadn't taken the DAT.So if I apply in June and take Dat in July will I be good? Wont schools auto reject if they see my subpar gpa without a Dat score yet? Thanks a bunch!
So if I apply in June and take Dat in July will I be good? Wont schools auto reject if they see my subpar gpa without a Dat score yet? Thanks a bunch!
What is considered a lot of EC?
20AA at the very minimum.Thanks guys. So what DAT score will I need to get in somewhere it I apply early with my 3.05 science and 3.5 overall. Ive shown a strong upward trend with a 3.9 last 40 units
She would need to raise her gpa, so she should work the rest of her third and fourth year to get as many A's as she can. A post bac or masters program may also be beneficial for her. Also, the fact that she has hundreds of hours shadowing in YOUR office may be problematic if she was specifically shadowing you. I don't doubt that she actually shadowed XXX amount of hours, but members of an admissions committee might since you are her mother. For that reason, she should probably shadow another dentist. It can only help to boost her application anyway.
If she does these things and gets >20 on her DAT, I think she will have good odds.
You can get in anywhere you want man. Seriously.What schools do I have a good chance at?
GPA 4.0, DAT 24AA, 25TS 24PAT.
The problem I have is that I was in a 0-6 pharmacy program for two years until I realized pharmacy was not for me. Im currently a junior. I shadowed ~100 hours at one gp (huge majority of my hours were here), one periodontist, one oral surgeon. I also do not have great EC because I had to work since freshman year. I would say I have below average extracurriculars. Do you think dental schools will go easy on me for the EC considering I had to work instead? I worked at a pharmacy for one year, but I quit and am now just working as a waitress/cashier at a restaurant (more money lol). I was vp of a APhA (a pharmacy organization), regular member of a few clubs, ~100 volunteer hours. Do you think I can count my time in my church choir as volunteer hours? I have been in the choir since freshman year. I'm also leading this SAT prep Program for high school sophomores at a local high school this semester. I'm also worried because the only dental related experience I have is in shadowing, no volunteering or anything. Do you think that will be a problem? Thank you guys so much. Also assume my LOR and personal statement will just be average.
What are my chances // schools I should apply to? Should I wait until next year?
GPA 3.875 sGPA 3.918
DAT: 24AA | 25TS | 23PAT | 24QR | 22RC
~100 hours of volunteering in dental clinics
~25 hours of volunteering in schools/homeless shelters teaching them about oral hygiene
so far... no shadowing hours going to try to work on that ASAP... (how many hours do you think would be necessary?)
Had to work all of undergrad (20hrs a week) to pay for school --> left little to no time for clubs :/
Getting LORs from 3 science professors... still working on getting one from a dentist.. hopefully after I shadow ? I know this is unrealistic :/
Practically done with PS
Do you think I have a fighting chance at getting into CA schools (where I live) and OOS schools, especially having no shadowing hours?
In other words, should I apply to less schools this cycle in case I don't get in anywhere (I'm poor as hell and can't afford a bunch of schools anyway...)? And then apply to more next cycle?
Any help is appreciated
I def think that u have a great chance of getting an interview from CA schools. But just be aware that u need to do more volunteering and shadowing but u r looking very competitive. And I think a decent LOR from a dentist will seal the deal for u. Oh and def apply to some private schools out of state just in case. Good luck on ur application!What are my chances // schools I should apply to? Should I wait until next year?
GPA 3.875 sGPA 3.918
DAT: 24AA | 25TS | 23PAT | 24QR | 22RC
~100 hours of volunteering in dental clinics
~25 hours of volunteering in schools/homeless shelters teaching them about oral hygiene
so far... no shadowing hours going to try to work on that ASAP... (how many hours do you think would be necessary?)
Had to work all of undergrad (20hrs a week) to pay for school --> left little to no time for clubs :/
Getting LORs from 3 science professors... still working on getting one from a dentist.. hopefully after I shadow ? I know this is unrealistic :/
Practically done with PS
Do you think I have a fighting chance at getting into CA schools (where I live) and OOS schools, especially having no shadowing hours?
In other words, should I apply to less schools this cycle in case I don't get in anywhere (I'm poor as hell and can't afford a bunch of schools anyway...)? And then apply to more next cycle?
Any help is appreciated
Your stats are super competitive! If you just have those shadowing hours you'd pretty much be guaranteed to get an interview at most schools you apply to. Don't apply without shadowing hours. Get your hours up (you still have time) to at least 50 and 100 if you can, and you'll be good to go.
I def think that u have a great chance of getting an interview from CA schools. But just be aware that u need to do more volunteering and shadowing but u r looking very competitive. And I think a decent LOR from a dentist will seal the deal for u. Oh and def apply to some private schools out of state just in case. Good luck on ur application!
I think UPenn is a long reach for your stats. Buy the ADEA manual and see what each school requires as a minimum. Of course you can apply to any school you like, if you have the money to waste. You will hear that UPenn has accepted someone with your stats on this forum, there always is that one applicant that is exceptional, but the rest of us, nah, let's be realistic . I also believe in maximizing your return/risk. It will cost a lot to apply, plus if you are lucky to land some interviews, a lot to spend on travel. Research which school is friendly to international students and apply broadly. You seem to have time on your side. To stand out, you ought to think about retaking the DAT (keep in mind some schools don't take the Canadian DAT), get your score up in the 22-23 range (or at least better than 20. Good luck!Just another worried future applicant:
I am Canadian Citizen (so international student)
GPA trend: 3.35--> 3.53--> pending..
DAT: 20 TS and 20 AA (nothing below 17)
Shadowing: over 100 hrs.
Bit of volunteer works and worked as research assistant in two labs.
Which school do you guys recommend applying?
I am planning to retake the DAT to apply for UPenn.
(Do you think i will have a chance if i retake???)
Any comments are welcomed!
I think UPenn is a long reach for your stats. Buy the ADEA manual and see what each school requires as a minimum. Of course you can apply to any school you like, if you have the money to waste. You will hear that UPenn has accepted someone with your stats on this forum, there always is that one applicant that is exceptional, but the rest of us, nah, let's be realistic . I also believe in maximizing your return/risk. It will cost a lot to apply, plus if you are lucky to land some interviews, a lot to spend on travel. Research which school is friendly to international students and apply broadly. You seem to have time on your side. To stand out, you ought to think about retaking the DAT (keep in mind some schools don't take the Canadian DAT), get your score up in the 22-23 range (or at least better than 20. Good luck!
That's an amazing DAT score if you could get 23-25. As long as your personal statement is well written and good LORs, you may have a chance. I would apply for it as your reach schoolThank you for the feedback!
Yes, i am going to retake the DAT at June and complete me application for first batch.
Do you think that is it worth it to apply if I raise my score to 23-25?
Def get those shadowing hrs to about 100 and submit ur app by end of June or early July.Thank you both for your encouragement!
With regards to volunteering and shadowing, if it takes me a while to get these hours, let's say closer to the end of June, would I still be safe applying at the end of June or beginning of July? I want to make sure I apply early enough, but don't know what's "early" and "late".
Thanks for the help again, all!
oGPA: 3.6
sGPA: 3.4 (did poorly first 2 years but picked it up really hard the last 2 years in upper level courses like the biochem series (got 3.6s in those classes), immunology, cell bio, genetics, etc.).
DAT: (23AA, 23TS)
I live in WA. Should I bother applying to UW?
Only extracurriculars I have are some shadowing and scarce volunteering. I've had to work the entire time in undergrad so that left little room for ECs like that.
Although, my biochem prof, who went to MIT, agreed to writing me a good LOR because I did well in his classes. How much do you think that will help?
Hey guys, west coast resident here. I'm planning to apply this cycle in late June/early July.
oGPA:3.3
sGPA:3.11
BCP: 3.03
DAT: 22AA/22TS/24PAT
-4th year biology major, with increasing GPA trend
-founder/president of a sports club (excluding the major sport for anonymity haha) and involved in a few other clubs
-worship team at local church
-volunteered abroad in central america with a school pre-dental club
~50 hours total shadowing a few local dentists
~50 hours as a volunteer dental assistant at a local dental clinic
I started exploring dentistry last spring quarter and knew I wanted to pursue dentistry after shadowing a dentist through a pre-dental class, but taking 19 credits every quarter this year to graduate on time is keeping me from shadowing/volunteering as much as I want to.. Any recommendations for schools to apply to or things I can do to improve my chances from here until July?
Apply broadly! research schools that are not friendly to OOS and don't apply there. Your GPA is not exactly stellar, but your DAT is great! Get great LORs, and it does not hurt to get more shadowing experience, don't stop at the minimum required.Hey guys, west coast resident here. I'm planning to apply this cycle in late June/early July.
oGPA:3.3
sGPA:3.11
BCP: 3.03
DAT: 22AA/22TS/24PAT
-4th year biology major, with increasing GPA trend
-founder/president of a sports club (excluding the major sport for anonymity haha) and involved in a few other clubs
-worship team at local church
-volunteered abroad in central america with a school pre-dental club
~50 hours total shadowing a few local dentists
~50 hours as a volunteer dental assistant at a local dental clinic
I started exploring dentistry last spring quarter and knew I wanted to pursue dentistry after shadowing a dentist through a pre-dental class, but taking 19 credits every quarter this year to graduate on time is keeping me from shadowing/volunteering as much as I want to.. Any recommendations for schools to apply to or things I can do to improve my chances from here until July?
Definitely get those hours up. I know you are busy with school but take some time on Saturday mornings (if any offices are open) and get your hours up. You ideally want them over 100. This will be even more important since your gpa is on the low side.
I will look into places open on saturdays. thanks guys!Apply broadly! research schools that are not friendly to OOS and don't apply there. Your GPA is not exactly stellar, but your DAT is great! Get great LORs, and it does not hurt to get more shadowing experience, don't stop at the minimum required.