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Honestly I don't understand, man. Truth is you guys are still making $100k+ a year, and no pharmacist has failed to find jobs within a year of graduation. But you guys are all like doom and gloom. Exaggerated much ?
Honestly I don't understand, man. Truth is you guys are still making $100k+ a year, and no pharmacist has failed to find jobs within a year of graduation. But you guys are all like doom and gloom. Exaggerated much ?
Honestly I don't understand, man. Truth is you guys are still making $100k+ a year, and no pharmacist has failed to find jobs within a year of graduation. But you guys are all like doom and gloom. Exaggerated much ?
Hmm well I actually know people who haven't found work after more than 1 year after graduation and some are still looking. I know some who didn't get full time work.
And I know some who don't make >$50/hr. (aka moi).
I know people who spent several months looking for work after graduation (usually less than a year but several months sometimes)
We all know places where people don't get raises for years. Luckily (or unlucky?) there isn't much inflation these days.
It's not the apocalypse but there are a lot of driving forces slowly pushing towards that direction that more and more are now seeing with no forces trying to reverse the trend. So there's a lot of concern among new grads looking for work and older pharmacists trying to hang on.
Area and willingness matters, a lot. And desperation to pay down student loans.
If it takes you a year to find a job then you are either a bad candidate or refuse to move. It's not going to kill someone to live in a lesser area for awhile until an opportunity presents itself.
Honestly I don't understand, man. Truth is you guys are still making $100k+ a year, and no pharmacist has failed to find jobs within a year of graduation. But you guys are all like doom and gloom. Exaggerated much ?
The "harsh conditions" of working in retail is funny to me. As a person that has been doing manual labor for minimum wage my entire working life before starting pharmacy, standing for 10 hours straight on a cushy floor mat and making $50+ per hour is a dream. I interned this summer and felt strange not sweating, being tired, or having to clean something while working a 10 hour day. I finished my work day without smelling weird. It was amazing.
I feel really bad for these pharmacists...Everyone here lives in California and are pissed they can't have the perfect job in the area they want.
The doom and gloom is on the EM forum as well even if they make >400k/year for 12-12hr shifts per month...Honestly I don't understand, man. Truth is you guys are still making $100k+ a year, and no pharmacist has failed to find jobs within a year of graduation. But you guys are all like doom and gloom. Exaggerated much ?
We are Americans... We invented drive thru for God sake!Keep that mind set.
Ive been a pharmacist for roughly 8 years and do construction on my days off. Try mixing cement in 90* weather, carrying shingle bundles up on ladders, hanging drywall, etc. Im sure you get the point.
Most people dont realize how good they have it to stand behind a computer and check for a couple hours while cranking out 6 figures on the regular.
as I said in another thread, not all software engineers make $90k out of the bat. in fact, very few do. their typical salary is $50-70k. and not even all of them get hired. you have to be a genius and LUCKY to work for Google, Yahoo, Twitter, etc. where you earn big.I see a lot of software engineers on Reddit talk about how great their profession is doing, how much money they're making, how easy it is to find a job, etc.
Honestly I don't understand, man. Truth is you guys are still making $100k+ a year, and no pharmacist has failed to find jobs within a year of graduation. But you guys are all like doom and gloom. Exaggerated much ?
The "harsh conditions" of working in retail is funny to me. As a person that has been doing manual labor for minimum wage my entire working life before starting pharmacy, standing for 10 hours straight on a cushy floor mat and making $50+ per hour is a dream. I interned this summer and felt strange not sweating, being tired, or having to clean something while working a 10 hour day. I finished my work day without smelling weird. It was amazing.
and $50 an hour is alot? comparing to some other professional programs, no its not... again its all relative, sure it's alot if you are comparing it to someone with an undergrad degree....
What's the percentage of unemployed pharmacists after 1 year post-graduation?
Doctors have to supervise nurses, PA and techs, and can lose license for their mistake, too.
What's the percentage of unemployed pharmacists after 1 year post-graduation?
Doctors have to supervise nurses, PA and techs, and can lose license for their mistake, too.
why are people comparing pharmacist to manual labor? you go through 4 years of pharmacy school for a reason... I shouldn't even have to explain how ridiculous it is to even mentioning these 2 jobs in the same sentence
and $50 an hour is alot? comparing to some other professional programs, no its not... again its all relative, sure it's alot if you are comparing it to someone with an undergrad degree.... also in SF after your loan payment (which alot ppl have 200k loans) and tax, you won't even be able to find a decent apt, would have to get roommates far away from the city... idk about you, but the idea of having to live with a roommate when you are 30 yrs old and supposedly have a professional degree irks me
P.S. I think my salary is decent/good and my work is Okay too... just don't like the comparison thats been made
It's because the majority of people here are ****ing bitches. Like SCIENCE. OH BOO HOO, WOE IS ME. I HAVE TO VERIFY THINGS WITHIN 15 MINUTES.
People like SCIENCE will never, ever, ever be happy. They're just perpetually angry. CVS could give his store 400 hours of tech help a week, constant overlap, they could get rid of mycustomer experience, and he would probably come on here and complain that the company expects him, and not the front store to close the pharmacy and put the gate down.
Extremely few people make $50/hour, even those with advanced degrees. And there are even fewer degrees that virtually guarantee making $50/hour outside of pharmacy. Hearing pharmacists complain is like hearing Marie Antoinette asking why the peasants don't eat cake. The economy sucks, and there are a lot of very educated people in the "good" fields, engineering, computers, etc. who can't find jobs. There are lots of people who have work 10 - 12 hour days when they do find their $75,000 a year job. Yes, there are certainly valid concerns that pharmacists bring up, but they aren't bringing up problems that many other educated professionals don't also have to deal with.
If you are making 120k/year, you're in the the top 5% in the US in term of salary... There are other professionals (DVM, DPT, AuD etc...) that do not make that much... One can argue that pharmacy school is 6 years since I know some people that do it in 6 years. These issues that people talk about here are not unique to pharmacy... Ask a physician who has to deal with a bunch of BS; ask a dentist who has to become salesman to stay afloat. The list goes on and on. I have a few friends who are pharmacists, and one thing I have noticed is that the ones that work for CVS/Walgreens do not speak well about their job, but the ones that work for other retails and hospital think the job is not that bad. Of course things can always be better!again huge difference between engineer, computers and other "good" fields vs pharmacy, the ones you mentioned are all undergrad degrees... computer engineers in sf makes bank too
also when i said other professionals, I was more or less comparing other people in the medical fields that went through a 4 year program
If you are making 120k/year, you're in the the top 5% in the US in term of salary... There are other professionals (DVM, DPT, AuD etc...) that do not make that much... One can argue that pharmacy school is 6 years since I know some people that do it in 6 years. These issues that people talk about here are not unique to pharmacy... Ask a physician who has to deal with a bunch of BS; ask a dentist who has to become salesman to stay afloat. The list goes on and on. I have a few friends who are pharmacists, and one thing I have noticed is that the ones that work for CVS/Walgreens do not speak well about their job, but the ones that work for other retails and hospital think the job is not that bad. Of course things can always be better!
You've never seen $120k salary?? Seriously? That's the median. Look it up.This.
Concerns about liablity? Seriously? Were all concerned about liability, but this is what you signed up for. Doctors, nurses, pharmacists, dentists. Were all liable and any one of us is vulnerable to getting sued.
I agree the retail environment can be very tough, but mistakes can happen in crazy busy stores or dead ones. The most memorable mistake I ever made was during a blizzard where I filled about 60 rxs during a 8 hour shift.
Also....Ive seen salaries mentioned at 100k, 120k? Ive never made that low ever in my career. Even the local hospital that is known to be considerably less offered me roughly 120k back 7+ years ago.
I know MANY pharmacists that work for the big retail chains with salaries +/- 150k....and some +/- 200k with considerable OT and bonus.
Another statement out of context, you can move to $150k base with $3000/mo for 1 bedroom rent + everything else from gas and entertainment being at least 1.5-2X the cost where you are now, you definitely can move if you are jealous of those pharmacists.I need to move to where hospitals are starting pharmacists at 120k. Sub-100k base is very common in the SE.
Another statement out of context, you can move to $150k base with $3000/mo for 1 bedroom rent + everything else from gas and entertainment being at least 1.5-2X the cost where you are now, you definitely can move if you are jealous of those pharmacists.
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Concerns about liablity? Seriously? Were all concerned about liability, but this is what you signed up for. Doctors, nurses, pharmacists, dentists. Were all liable and any one of us is vulnerable to getting sued.
I agree the retail environment can be very tough, but mistakes can happen in crazy busy stores or dead ones. The most memorable mistake I ever made was during a blizzard where I filled about 60 rxs during a 8 hour shift.
Also....Ive seen salaries mentioned at 100k, 120k? Ive never made that low ever in my career. Even the local hospital that is known to be considerably less offered me roughly 120k back 7+ years ago.
I know MANY pharmacists that work for the big retail chains with salaries +/- 150k....and some +/- 200k with considerable OT and bonus.
It's not as clear as that. I live in the Miami area, where a decent two bedroom apartment costs $2000/month and food, gas, etc. are all fairly expensive. Hospitals in the area start off at the low $40's/hr. It feels proportionally very wrong. The same salary would have seemed much better in a place where you can own a house for $1000/mo.
You wish you could get 2 BR for 2000/mo in SF, haha... that's cheap. You'd get a studio for 2.5k/mo. And yes, average pay in around that area is 75+/hr.
Chasing rabbits here, but why does everyone think it's so acceptable to just move to the middle of nowhere to work? I would do it if there was no other option, but it seems like a lot of posters are bashing people for wanting to live in a certain area. I work in my preferred area currently, and I sure as hell didn't go to school for 7 years to move into isolation away from friends and family. I would "whine" just as much if I had to do that. What's next? "There are plenty of jobs quit whining, just get licensed in Canada and move there, you brat pharmacist?"
Chasing rabbits here, but why does everyone think it's so acceptable to just move to the middle of nowhere to work? I would do it if there was no other option, but it seems like a lot of posters are bashing people for wanting to live in a certain area. I work in my preferred area currently, and I sure as hell didn't go to school for 7 years to move into isolation away from friends and family. I would "whine" just as much if I had to do that. What's next? "There are plenty of jobs quit whining, just get licensed in Canada and move there, you brat pharmacist?"
Chasing rabbits here, but why does everyone think it's so acceptable to just move to the middle of nowhere to work? I would do it if there was no other option, but it seems like a lot of posters are bashing people for wanting to live in a certain area. I work in my preferred area currently, and I sure as hell didn't go to school for 7 years to move into isolation away from friends and family. I would "whine" just as much if I had to do that. What's next? "There are plenty of jobs quit whining, just get licensed in Canada and move there, you brat pharmacist?"
Haha if you work towards it for 7 years it's not called entitlement, its called your reward.Your 7 years of school entitles you to nothing. Welcome to the real world.