When to turn a doc in?

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I recently got a curbside on a patient who was on astronomical doses of OxyContin for fibromyalgia. Her PCP had been treating her for years with massive doses and it has come to the attention of several people. She also in the past apparently had some serious psych issues with threats of self-harm. I suggested to wean off and refer to addiction, but the PCP ignored this and has gone around regulatory roadblocks to continue this mis-management.

My question is, at what point do you alert the authorities?

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"at what point do you alert the authorities?"

No time like the present. The index case is often just the tip of the iceberg.
 
I recently got a curbside on a patient who was on astronomical doses of OxyContin for fibromyalgia. Her PCP had been treating her for years with massive doses and it has come to the attention of several people. She also in the past apparently had some serious psych issues with threats of self-harm. I suggested to wean off and refer to addiction, but the PCP ignored this and has gone around regulatory roadblocks to continue this mis-management.

My question is, at what point do you alert the authorities?

Is the PCP employed? Notify the PCP's employer. Or, pick up the phone and call them directly. I find this line helpful, "You know, I'm a board-certified pain specialist and I wouldn't recommend those doses for this patient..."
 
in your opinion this is mismanagement. unless you have examined patient and reviewed all records in the case, and are a peer of this doc (same specialty) about all you can say is that you would not handle the case this way. where i work, i would refer patient to QA committee. just requires an anonymous phone call.
 
Any confrontation should begin with a collegial conversation.

During my time doing MES pharm P2Ps I got quite experienced at this. It's a very uncomfortable topic to address with another doc. It's easy to assume they know what they're doing and are just too weak to say no to the patient, which may well be true. I had the most success when bringing up the lack of documented success they've had with the patient and trying to empathize with their difficulty controlling the patient's pain. Once they begin to open up, then you can start to ask questions about how the opiates got onboard, the escalation, any attempts to get the patient to cut back, etc. It's not fun at all, but in the end if you're successful it's rewarding. Most docs I spoke with who do this are just looking for some help. Some would even take my information for future curbside consults!

My biggest challenge were the guys who adamantly defended what they were doing. There was one guy who would cite all kinds of data and recite pharmacological mechanisms to defend practices like using outrageously expensive and inappropriate fentora for "breakthrough" pain in a CLBP patient. Very smart guy, but totally wrongheaded (or in the pocket of the fentora rep).
 
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During my time doing MES pharm P2Ps I got quite experienced at this. It's a very uncomfortable topic to address with another doc. It's easy to assume they know what they're doing and are just too weak to say no to the patient, which may well be true. I had the most success when bringing up the lack of documented success they've had with the patient and trying to empathize with their difficulty controlling the patient's pain. Once they begin to open up, then you can start to ask questions about how the opiates got onboard, the escalation, any attempts to get the patient to cut back, etc. It's not fun at all, but in the end if you're successful it's rewarding. Most docs I spoke with who do this are just looking for some help. Some would even take my information for future curbside consults!

My biggest challenge were the guys who adamantly defended what they were doing. There was one guy who would cite all kinds of data and recite pharmacological mechanisms to defend practices like using outrageously expensive and inappropriate fentora for "breakthrough" pain in a CLBP patient. Very smart guy, but totally wrongheaded (or in the pocket of the fentora rep).

I bet I can name him....just name his state....
 
I agree with powermd on this. Generally, it would be best to tell the PCP directly your concerns, see how the PCP takes this, willing to work with you, willing to consider a safer direction. If its blatant refusal and an argument, I would then consider escalating this. Fibro + SI hx + pain meds is a very high risk combo.
 
My suggestions were met with complete obstruction and lack of understanding. That is why I wanted to address it now.
 
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Sounds like your suggestions bumped up against a big ego.
 
if its a real concern and you talked to him, i like the talk to his boss if he has one, if not, i think an anonymous tip to the medical board is the right thing to do. rarely are these isolated cases…but its not an easy thing to do. takes balls. Good luck!
 
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Talking to him is a double edged sword. Now that you have done so, he will know it is you who turned him in. Before you do that , recognize that he will have it out for you. Are you as pure as the driven snow? Can your records survive an audit?

Mind you, I'm not saying don't turn him in, but if you do , understand that there will be consequences to your actions.
 
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The vast majority of these guys that prescribe this crap our *****s with minimal training and knowledge on what these drugs can do to a patient and our society. Imagine these drugs getting into the hands of a 12 year old who OD's. Overall it comes down to greed and incompetence on how to generate revenue

The question I have for the elders is, how do you report these clowns?

I would personally want to be anonymous
 
Talking to him is a double edged sword. Now that you have done so, he will know it is you who turned him in. Before you do that , recognize that he will have it out for you. Are you as pure as the driven snow? Can your records survive an audit?

Mind you, I'm not saying don't turn him in, but if you do , understand that there will be consequences to your actions.

The hallmark of a profession is its ability to regulate itself.
 
Just because they were prescribed doesn't mean they were prescribed inappropriately

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The prescriptions lead to inpatient addiction treatment. Ergo, they were prescribed inappropriately:)
 
The prescriptions lead to inpatient addiction treatment. Ergo, they were prescribed inappropriately:)
So when I write for 5mg 1-2 x/d, and they take them all at once, and end up in rehab, I prescribed inappropriately?
 
So when I write for 5mg 1-2 x/d, and they take them all at once, and end up in rehab, I prescribed inappropriately?

"Inappropriate" only if decided by attorneys and expert witnesses based on a bunch of irrelevant facts. Since OJ was acquitted anything is possible if you have the right team behind you. Opioids are the wild west and dangerous as ever.
 
So when I write for 5mg 1-2 x/d, and they take them all at once, and end up in rehab, I prescribed inappropriately?

Obviously.

Did you check PDMP, did you risk stratify, did you deliver informed consent, did you determine that the patient was not character-flawed, not crazy, not lying, not feigning pain, not disability seeking, and not a working-aged non-working adult?

Further, did you explain that pain is just a perception (like attractiveness, confidence, and self-esteem) and not a "medical problem" per se, that there is no evidence to support the use of opioid medications for perceptual problems like persistent pain, and that addiction, personal and societal ruin are all known side-effects from opioids?
 
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