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This old line has been incorrect for years. Harvard's PhD in Clin Psy has been APA-accredited since 2008.
Vanderbilt just hired a faculty member this year from that program.
This old line has been incorrect for years. Harvard's PhD in Clin Psy has been APA-accredited since 2008.
I know many people in California (both the Bay Area and LA) with thriving practices. I will have a strong niche, so I know I will be fine.
I know many people in California (both the Bay Area and LA) with thriving practices. I will have a strong niche, so I know I will be fine. Also, the link you posted, the person states they live in NY.
Funny how that link mentions "Meanwhile, one of my colleagues has hired a hot chick he just wants to be around as a "sober coach" in his office." because I am a young attractive female and make a living off my looks, so looks like a win/win for me lol.
neutralpalatte I am not talking to directly you because you said you will be ignoring me.
You know, someone mentioned he was a troll, but I don't think he is. Due to his reportedly successful business, I feel like he has just become pretentious on top of his already defensive and narcissistic personality. Basically, he is an arrogant assh@le in his 20s - though I can relate to this. If he would listen to me I would tell him that psychologist is not something you can try work around, there is a reason people on an "online" forum are suggesting he should go to a decent and in-ground university. Oh well... I wish I he was reading this.
I was one of the people that called her a troll, and I now rescind that. After reading more of her posts, I completely agree with you. When I lived in LA, narcissistic assh@les like this were ubiquitous. But oh well, she is ignoring you, probably too busy looking in the mirror.
Why be a fraud though?
Why not replace the bookshelf picture with a vag one?
K nothing else for me to write here lol. I am indeed a young attractive female, indeed in Los Angeles, and this has definitely shown me that I will clearly have an advantage being a self-employed LMFT. Will proceed with my original plans and it likely won't affect the outcome of any future program(s) I decide to do, but likely don't HAVE to do a longer one (PsyD) with the rate things are going in the MFT/PsyD directions and with the way insurance reimburses.
Thank you to all the helpful posters
I believe it's "brah"In California there are no "bros"...only "bras." This is important to the people in this strange land.
That has nothing to do with anything. First, "sex sells" doesn't even mean vadge. Mainstream modeling is still selling sex. Lets think here. The entire backbone of the advertising or even the music industry, for example, is sex. In my case, my looks are my job, but its not like I should just ignore or deny it in order to not appear narcissistic. I'm not narcissistic. I'm just honest about my occupation and how life works. So yes, lets tear down conventionally attractive women and reduce them down to a vadge in order to make ourselves feel better. If you're conventionally pretty, you most certainly can't like books or have attended college. /Sarcasm.
Thanks again to those who were helpful
After re-reading through this, it strikes me that you have no idea of what it means to be any type of licensed mental health professional. Regardless of our level of training and career path in the field, we all bear an awesome amount of responsibility to our patients and the general public. I don't know if you really do have such a cavalier attitude about this, but it definitely comes across as such in your post. Since you are not reading this board anymore, I am posting this so that other students coming here to post their questions will understand why the criticisms for this type of thinking are often so harsh.I've been a lurker here for a number of years, and have read majority of threads on MFT and PsyD programs, but haven't seen this topic really covered:
If I were to complete a non-regionally accredited MFT program (nationally accredited only) and get my MFT license, would that hinder my future ability to get into a PsyD or PHD program in clinical psych, down the line? I know they can be competitive, but I would probably end up going to a professional school like Argosy if I did end up getting a PsyD. So would this, in any way, hinder my ability to do so?
Background: I'm really interested in Jungian and transpersonal psychology, and would like to complete a MS in counseling psych eligible for licensing. I previously attended the Institute Of Transpersonal Psychology (now called Sofia University), but didn't really care for the Masters program I was in, and the distance MFT program is 4 years long (too long). The program was just full of busy work, and I would have rather done it more as independent study (read a lot & then reflect) rather than be forced to do busywork with my cohort. Tuition is also high there. I have about a year worth of transferable credits (since ITP/Sofia is regionally accredited) as electives, so theres that.
I live in California, so World University in Ojai (happens to be a distance program, which I want) covers both my interests, and also means I'm eligible for LMFT after completion + hours in the state of California despite it only being nationally accredited.
I could attend Pacifica Graduate Institute, but the tuition seems insane ~$50k versus ~$12k at World U. Pacifica is regionally accredited, however, which means maybe in the future I could transfer some of the credits should I enter an advanced-standing PsyD program for those who already have an MFT degree.
However, I still can't really justify the cost for Pacifica because most other states don't have reciprocity laws for MFTs. I don't think I'll leave California, but I guess you never know.
I don't want to do a MSW program because a.) I don't like the coursework, and b.) I plan to stay self-employed forever so it won't matter if I opt for MFT. I'm self-employed right now in a really lucrative field, and the only thing I'd leave it for down the line is to be a therapist (MFT) or psychologist (PsyD). I feel like, as an entrepreneur, an MFT license or even just the MS in counseling will be really marketable for me. So the MFT program is more of a hobby than something I *HAVE* to have right this moment, and I know a lot of other people are not in that boat.
Thoughts?
I hate to tell you this, but the field is mostly young women and many of them are very attractive. Attractiveness may give you an edge, but I doubt it will make you really stand out. Especially when you work with people who doubt your competence because you're an attractive young woman.
Now I'm curious…who is the lone dissenting opinion in the poll?!
Now I'm curious…who is the lone dissenting opinion in the poll?!
If you click on it, it will show you. Surprise, surprise...it was the OP, lol.
Poll? Clue in the clueless, please.
Wow, I was totally joking. I'm not surprised that she created this thread with her decision already made.
The OP put a poll at the beginning of the thread, "do you think I need an accredited program" or something. Nine people said yes, one person said no.
Interestingly, I noticed a lack of demands to "be nice" or to let the OP's heart guide her, or whatever, on this thread.
I suppose everyone has their limits, though.
someone needs to replicate this with doctoral level psychology jobs.Seems like a relevant contribution to this discussion:
http://thinkprogress.org/education/2014/08/19/3472835/for-profit-college-job-interview/
You've completely missed the point. It's not about accreditation, its about the likelihood of you being a "good" psychologist. Let me explain it in some random numbers:
If you go to professional school (like Argosy) which is APA accredited, you have a 75% chance of being a "good" psychologist.
If you go to public university (for example) which is APA accredited, you have a 90% chance of being a "good" psychologist.
Think of it as an investment; if we assume everything is the same (and just assume this for now), you can decide between an interest rate of 3.2% or 3.6% for your retirement. Why would you choose 3.2% if everything else is the same? Yes, in the end, you will still have a decent amount saved for retirement, but with 3.6% you will be much better off.
This is what decades of combined experience is trying to explain to you - you have a much better chance of being an amazing psychologist if you go to a public university.
Make a smart investment for your future.
Those who do not use reason cannot be swayed by it.
And I could care less what others think. My confidence, ambition, interests, and great business sense will take me wherever I want to go
Consumer Information: State Approval, Accreditation & LicensureIllinois Board of Higher Education said:People are often confused between accreditation and state approval. Quite simply, accreditation is a function that is voluntary. State approval is a different matter.
When I have a plan that I'm really, truly confident will "take me wherever I want to go," I create an Internet poll about it.
When a landslide vote and dozens of written opinions say that it could hinder my entry into a profession, I explain that I don't care what anyone else thinks anyway.
neutral, we've all made decisions based on wishful thinking; I certainly have. I believe going to an unaccredited state-approved school for an MFT master's, hoping to potentially go on to an APA doctorate in psychology, would be based on wishful thinking as you describe it here.
By the way, you're wrong to describe California state approval to grant degrees as "accreditation" but not regional accreditation. State approval ≠ accreditation. The Illinois Board of Higher Education explains it well and succinctly; the same is true in California:
Consumer Information: State Approval, Accreditation & Licensure
From APA programs? The source you trust above "said the only thing that matters is that it is APA accredited."I contacted people who had attended, and many actually DID go on to receive PhDs and PsyDs.
This is false and materially so. "Nationally accredited" means accredited by an accrediting agency "of national scope" that isn't a regional, that is recognized by the U.S. Department of Education [their FAQs about accreditation] and/or the Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA). An example of a national accreditation agency is the Distance Education and Training Council (DETC); an example of a school it accredits is Cal Southern.The program I posted is accredited. Its nationally accredited.
Just thought I would check in since so many of you keep posting non-stop lol.
As far as PsyD goes (something, like I said, I'm NOT pursuing anytime soon), she said the only thing that matters is that it is APA accredited (which lots of professional schools are, like Argosy) regardless of other accreditation. Many of the students that studied or practiced under her, as I mentioned before, did indeed attend Argosy and now have flourishing private practices. Hefty price tag, but they could pay for it and got what they wanted out of the program.
I'm assuming that this professor completed her training before the internship crisis.
Again, it does not matter, AT ALL honestly if you plan to go straight into private practice like I do.
From APA programs? The source you trust above "said the only thing that matters is that it is APA accredited."
This is false and materially so. "Nationally accredited" means accredited by an accrediting agency "of national scope" that isn't a regional, that is recognized by the U.S. Department of Education [their FAQs about accreditation] and/or the Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA). An example of a national accreditation agency is the Distance Education and Training Council (DETC); an example of a school it accredits is Cal Southern.
A simple test of your proposition that World University in Ojai is accredited: By whom? Can you name the national accreditor? Is it a recognized accreditation agency with DOED or CHEA?
In fact, no recognized regional or national accreditor accredits World University in Ojai as far as I can tell.
1. How will you get your 3,000 supervised hours and 104wk worth of supervision?
Hint: Few if any businesses want to hire an unlicensed clinician because they cannot bill for the time. Some places may let them volunteer or work for peanuts, but they have the advantage because you need them much more than they need you.
2. How long will that take?
Hint: 2-3+ years.
3. Will you end up paying someone for those hours?
Hint: Mostly like yes. An hour of supervision can be quite pricey too.
4. Will there be a line out the door once you hang a shingle, or will you have to market and promote yourself for months/years to build up your practice?
Hint: It often takes people 1-2+ years to build a sustainable practice, assuming they avoid bankruptcy during the first year. Saturated markets like CA will have thousands of different types of providers fighting for the same pool of people.
There are a lot of wealthy people (and also in the Bay Area where I used to live), so I think I will be fine.
...And why are you trying to talk someone out of their passions/skills again...?