Well its Trump saying that soooo.....
My views on him are evolving. It's unbelievable but him and Bernie are probably more similar than different
Both are looking to Western Europe as a model for healthcare system. Now, that's unheard of in American politics!
Which one bernie or trump
Countries like those in Scandinavia are a step closer to communism than the current American system in a lot of ways, and there is decreased reward for the highest achievers and most successful businesses. The argument to be made isn't that there are no cons or reductions to anybody, just that the gains made by the average person greatly outweighs it
Have you looked at the freedoms they enjoy that we don't here? Also communism? Government control of the means of production? Not even close. It is highly regulated capitalism (aka not even real socialism). Their productivity and ingenuity are even better than here per capita.
Which is why us overachievers hate the concept. If I bust my butt in a more creative and efficient manner than someone else, them using government to take my s--- doesn't work for me
I see the appeal, sb, I really do. But I can't talk myself into thinking creativity, efficiency, intelligence, good looks, blonde hair or really anything else gives me more of a right to happiness than my neighbors. If you work, you should be happy, and what work you do shouldn't change that very drastically. If you can't work, you should be happy. Only people I want to see have less than enough are those that can work and choose not to.
I've lived in a country with national healthcare too. I am not arguing that the surgeons make less. I am saying that it shouldn't be a revolutionary concept as all other first world countries have it. I just think it's ridiculous how people think taking the "free" market out of healthcare and giving everyone healthcare is seen as evidence of the eroding freedom in this country. I am not for expanded wellfare, or public housing, but as far as healthcare, being the richest nation on earth I think we have an obligation to do better for our citizens.
I agree with you. Was just pointing out that taking on a lot of socialist ideals does involve limiting choices. Still the right path
And once you get up into that few hundred people that have so much excess they don't know what to do with it, possessing as much wealth as the poorer half of the nation...it becomes clearly not right, if your societal values are in people living happy and healthy
Yes I agree, if we are talking the strict definition of socialism, which Bernie Sanders is not so I don't see the relevancy to this conversation.
You can be happy without stealing my stuff
Many can't, and they'll leave you with plenty. I know we disagree on this at the very core though, since I don't fault the man that steals from a feast to feed his starving children, and you do!
I absolutely do, theft is wrong
What else is absolutely wrong, such that avoiding it is more valuable than stopping the suffering of innocents? Theft clearly. What about lying?
Lying is also wrong
Under all circumstances? You wouldn't tell a lie to save a life, same as you wouldn't steal to save a life?
I really only pick on sb about this because he doesn't like to come out and say the clearly absolutist/deontological ethics he has. Stuff like "I'd rather watch a baby be stabbed to death with a rusty spoon than steal a dollar"
I really only pick on sb about this because he doesn't like to come out and say the clearly absolutist/deontological ethics he has. Stuff like "I'd rather watch a baby be stabbed to death with a rusty spoon than steal a dollar"
And I'm afraid if I go there I will never get out
Stabbing would be someone violating their rights, I'd shoot that person myself.I really only pick on sb about this because he doesn't like to come out and say the clearly absolutist/deontological ethics he has. Stuff like "I'd rather watch a baby be stabbed to death with a rusty spoon than steal a dollar"
And I'm afraid if I go there I will never get out
Only with regards to stealing! What I find really interesting is that you think there are circumstances which allow one to kill, but not steal or lie.
I don't believe I am allowed to lie...I get that's not the line most people draw
What changes killing in defense from crossing other moral boundaries in defense?
Killing in defense is not a moral boundary.
You know what I mean. To kill is bad. To kill in defense is not, it makes it moral to kill. To lie is bad. Why is to lie in defense still wrong? What separates the two?
I don't see a justification for lying.
Reasonable to you, he asked how I feel about it
Animals are resources for us to use, we should be good stewards for them in the same way that I wouldn't walk around breaking windows for fun
Go look at his voting record. In one of his speeches on the ACA in 2009 he does specifically state that he would increase primary care residency slots and make medical school free.
You're crazy if you think you won't more than pay for that in increased taxes
I never stated that, but I actually think the tax increase would be marginal. If you look at his tax plan, doctors aren't part of the 1% in general. 1% is 400,000$ +. He advocates a small 1-2% tax increase in the top 10% of earners, but a 10-20% increase in the top 1% of earners. Yes taxes would increase, but in my mind towards a more just society.
I think the parallel between the two of them is that neither is really a politician. Trump is a businessman and Sanders is really a social welfare activist who works in politics. Neither talk like politicians and they bring new ideas and ways of addressing issues to the table (Sander much more than Trump, however), which endears people to them.My views on him are evolving. It's unbelievable but him and Bernie are probably more similar than different
Both are looking to Western Europe as a model for healthcare system. Now, that's unheard of in American politics!
Which is waaaay more than overdue as a matter of policy. But guess who owns the government?
If you make over 80k, or 160k as a couple, you are not eligible for the student loan deduction. Even if you are eligible, it is for a mere $2,500 a year, a fraction of the interest accrued.
That is the FOX NEWS talking point. I heard it from Shawn Hannity before... 'If you want to pay more taxes, send a check to the IRS' Lol...
