If you tested positive during the preclinical years, would they kick you out?
If we test positive for tobacco (buccal swab) we are gone. Residency, but same difference.
If we test positive for tobacco (buccal swab) we are gone. Residency, but same difference.
You're not allowed to use tobacco whatsoever?
I can understand not dipping while at work... but at home? Hmm.
What about in Colorado? I assume as long as you aren't intoxicated on the job, it's fine. A quick google search didn't show any restrictions for healthcare workers.
Hmm...brb, reapplying to Colorado schools.
If we test positive for tobacco (buccal swab) we are gone. Residency, but same difference.
Woah why? Why? Tobacco doesn't cognitively impair you usually.
I think tobacco use is a huge red flag, demonstrating lack of intelligence or self-control. But at the same time the idea of being tested for use of a legal substance in my free time that hadn't interfered with my ability to complete my job? That seems unprofessional.
Over-generalization anyone can become a smoker regardless of intelligence and self control tho you have a good point about not interfering with people. Nicotine can actually be therapeutic for a small subset of people (some subsets of those with anxiety and/or ADHD). I wouldn't call smokers stupid just for smoking. I hope you don't bring those sort of assumptions to the medical field because you're doing all sorts of patients an incredible disservice by generalizing them.
Over-generalization anyone can become a smoker regardless of intelligence and self control tho you have a good point about not interfering with people. Nicotine can actually be therapeutic for a small subset of people (some subsets of those with anxiety and/or ADHD). I wouldn't call smokers stupid just for smoking. I hope you don't bring those sort of assumptions to the medical field because you're doing all sorts of patients an incredible disservice by generalizing them.
If you're a physician and you smoke, it's kind of undermines everything you stand for professionally. I think that's pretty darn stupid.
Physician, heal thyself?Unless you're a pulmonologist, then you're just encouraging future business.
lol oh goshUnless you're a pulmonologist, then you're just encouraging future business.
Yeah, some hospitals are doing that in Texas. All employees must be tobacco-free. From the janitors all the way up to attendings.If we test positive for tobacco (buccal swab) we are gone. Residency, but same difference.
Does that include e-cigs and vaping? Do they test for nicotine?
I find this odd. I know that it sets a bad example, but if you kept it out of sight of the patients who cares? Should overweight doctors be forced to go on diets to keep their jobs? I always found it funny when doctors I shadowed would tell a patient that he/she had to watch their weight while their gut spilled out over their pants.If we test positive for tobacco (buccal swab) we are gone. Residency, but same difference.
I find this odd. I know that it sets a bad example, but if you kept it out of sight of the patients who cares? Should overweight doctors be forced to go on diets to keep their jobs? I always found it funny when doctors I shadowed would tell a patient that he/she had to watch their weight while their gut spilled out over their pants.
It's not just the tar in the lungs and random carcinogens you have to avoid...the nicotine itself has been shown to be the main cause of the heart damage. E-cigs/vaping are problematic in setting a good example for patients.
If we test positive for tobacco (buccal swab) we are gone. Residency, but same difference.
I was reading a book from the hot lights cold steel series (I forget which one), they reattached a hand. One of the problems was the guy was a smoker, they said it interfered with the angiogenesis or something along those lines. Low and behold the patient refused to quit, procedure didn't work out.
Just curious, think the tobacco restriction is more regulated in vascular surgery/surgical specialties??
In most areas, it's a hospital-wide restriction, not just in a single department. The whole campus of the hospital usually goes tobacco-free, from patients to employees. I don't think legally you could require it of one area and not another, given the usual reasons given for going tobacco-free (and the resultant firing of a few hold outs to sneak out to the parking garage...).
I actually have held this belief for a while. Trim the fat, so to speak. We have no reason to bring ourselves down like this, yet we tolerate all sorts of nonsense. I've even seen doctors that commute on motorcycles, if you can believe that. I know I didn't when I first heard it was happening.
Lol.
I can't believe you went as far to compare cigarette smoking to alcohol abuse and illicit drug use. Wow.
It seems that way, and I hold some hope for e cigs as a life saving alternative, but we still aren't really certain about how safe they are. They are also highly unregulated.I vape, and it's a much better alternative to smoking or dipping.
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Cool, don't go to medical school if these are safe behaviors.
Cigarette smoke clings to skin, clothing, hair and the stench can be very unpleasant. Patients shouldn't have to suffer that unpleasantness in addition to all the other unpleasantness they are going through.
I haven't found the odor of fatty foods to be as clinging.
It seems that way, and I hold some hope for e cigs as a life saving alternative, but we still aren't really certain about how safe they are. They are also highly unregulated.
I haven't found the odor of fatty foods to be as clinging.
Interesting. I'm unsure how pointing out how ridiculous it is to compare illicit drug use and alcohol abuse to cigarette smoking makes me believe any of these behaviors are "safe". Nice logical jump.
I agree with you completely. Smoking while you're at work is one thing... but controlling what you do legally at home is another one entirely. It is possible to smoke at home and not bring that unpleasantness with you to work (smells, etc.). Of course, I'm just talking about smoking. The blanket nicotine screening that some institutions perform outlaws dipping at home, as well as vaping.
If you're a physician and you smoke, it's kind of undermines everything you stand for professionally. I think that's pretty darn stupid.
Let's not go down that route.what about overweight physicians or physicians who eat at mcdonalds or eat junk food? same deal w/ that stuff if you want to make blanket statements. lol if we're going down that route let's leave no stone unturned.
Cigarette smoke clings to skin, clothing, hair and the stench can be very unpleasant. Patients shouldn't have to suffer that unpleasantness in addition to all the other unpleasantness they are going through.
I haven't found the odor of fatty foods to be as clinging.
This. I have a really strong reaction to the smell of cigarettes. It damn near instantly gives me a headache if I get a whiff.
As a patient it's extremely frustrating to have nurses and CNAs who are smokers. They are all up in your personal bubble and you are forced to smell that crap. I wish all hospitals banned smoking.