The WWatering Hole Bar Grand Opening - Game Thread.

[Kam325]

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I'm sure the mods wouldn't allow blatant misdirection. And if I have an ability that could potentially get pertinent information to the village, and being a villager, then I'm going to take advantage of any and all avenues to make that possible. I know if I out a wolf I'm pretty much going to be wolf meat that night, but at least the village will have got another wolf. My play style this game is no different to the others (except slightly more focused and not reading random patterns in maps of countries kind of oddness), I am on the village's side, I will do whatever it takes to help the village and to lynch wolves. This focus on me is merely shifting focus away from actual potential wolves.

Ceke, think about this. Say you did somehow get info that said "Kam is a wolf". You could:

a.) Post "hey guys I have info Kam is a wolf"

or

b.) Submit a "Kam is a wolf" gif and post "hey guys that gif means I have info Kam is a wolf."

You get the same effect from both options. The ability doesn't add anything the village doesn't get with anyone else.

 

[LetItSnow]

Sorry to be jumping in/out - I know I'm missing a lot - I'm just tightly time limited with work.

Nothing wrong with WZ's post, I just had some questions and I liked WZ's overall post:

Ceke - as others have said, lots of stretching to find sketchy things, seems to just be looking for someone to vote for.

Not sure I understand. Aren't we all just looking for someone to vote for?

Rabbott - reasons already stated. I'd like to see more actual thoughts from him other than "Hey this vote that got a wolf wasn't even a great vote" though.

I need to iso Rabbott. I have an upset tummy feeling about Rabbott. Is higher on my 'wolf' list than yours.

But at the same time, I'm starting to agree with people about Ceke - seems to be trying cautiously to point fingers everywhere to see what bites, and I can't decide what to make of it - and Ceke highlighted Rabbott.

Finn - moved down my list due to heat from genny. Their back and forth did not read like bussing to me.

I forget what it is (I can go back and find it later), but something Finn did or said earlier put Finn pretty likely village to me.

PBC - Unless trilt and mel decided to repeat the evil that was done to me in PBC's game, decent chance she came back villaege

Agreed. And since apparently STL claimed rezzer (I didn't see it - more on that later in your post), it seems highly likely PBC came back village.

Pipperoo - little paranoid angel <3 Only point I have against her is that thing with the anonymous post, but she does like the lulz, so that could be forgiven.

Pippy is clever and evil and should never be trusted. That's a compliment. But it also means someone should investigate/track Pippy early and barring some fairly good "don't vote for Pippy" type of things, I'm going to get uneasy.

STL - no reason to doubt the rezzer claim, and he used it in a village way. Is this dangerous positioning for STL? Yes. But I like it.

I didn't see STL claim Rezzer. But assuming he did, no reason to doubt it. Only thing would be if mods made rezzer a wolf role, but that's far less common and if so, STL wouldn't likely have claimed it because once one went down the other would immediately. So, all in all - odds strongly in favor of village.

Since I think one of STL/Pippy is for sure village, that puts STL village. If Cyndia flips wolf, it puts Pippy likely village. If Cyndia flips village, it puts Pippy neutral. For my read, anyway.

ETA:

Lotf - moved to neutral zone. As far as I can tell she's playing like her normal self.

I feel like she's not as aggressive as she is when she's played village lately. I'm torn on whether to get suckered into a 'well, she's busy with real life and kids' thing or to do what I always tell everyone else to do and ignore excuses and lean on her. Probably the latter soonish. She's low on the list, but she's on it.

 

[Ceke2002]

Ceke, think about this. Say you did somehow get info that said "Kam is a wolf". You could:

a.) Post "hey guys I have info Kam is a wolf"

or

b.) Submit a "Kam is a wolf" gif and post "hey guys that gif means I have info Kam is a wolf."

You get the same effect from both options. The ability doesn't add anything the village doesn't get with anyone else.

Well then it's a stupid ability and I am now very disappointed. I wanted it to be an ability that would help the village.

 

[Ceke2002]

LOL

Are you familiar with the game "Werewolf"? It is a game of misdirection. It's really fun, you should play it sometime!

Misdirection by wolves or chaos roles, sure, but why would mods of a game allow misdirection by villagers? Does that not then make the game unfair?

 

[LetItSnow]

Then why did you do this

+1 village

 

[PippyPony]

Misdirection by wolves or chaos roles, sure, but why would mods of a game allow misdirection by villagers? Does that not then make the game unfair?

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...Someone else want to take this one?

 

[LetItSnow]

Those are very villager comments, so LoTF's read is good there... 😉

In all seriousness, this actually decreases my LoTF suspicion.

Ditto. I just posted about her being sketchy and then saw that. It's exactly the same dumb stuff I do, and it's always because I'm just cruising fast and not remembering who is dead.

Or even who is playing.

I mean, at least LotF was listing suspicions about someone who is/was in the game.... give her credit for that.

 

[WildZoo]

Not sure I understand. Aren't we all just looking for someone to vote for?

Kind of more meant what you said a bit later - that she's not actually looking for wolves, just looking for what sticks. Deciding she wants to vote for some person and coming up with a reason to do it (which ends up looking ridiculous), instead of finding the reasons first and deciding from there.

Pippy is clever and evil and should never be trusted. That's a compliment. But it also means someone should investigate/track Pippy early and barring some fairly good "don't vote for Pippy" type of things, I'm going to get uneasy.

Ah I know, I just like to think I can read her decently. Always keeping an eye on her of course, but for now I'm comfy with her. If she is a wolf I'm sure this will make her very happy lol

I didn't see STL claim Rezzer. But assuming he did, no reason to doubt it. Only thing would be if mods made rezzer a wolf role, but that's far less common and if so, STL wouldn't likely have claimed it because once one went down the other would immediately. So, all in all - odds strongly in favor of village.

Since I think one of STL/Pippy is for sure village, that puts STL village. If Cyndia flips wolf, it puts Pippy likely village. If Cyndia flips village, it puts Pippy neutral. For my read, anyway.

Here's where he claimed it, pretty much as soon as PBC came back

I was the one who revived pbc, always a proponent of using the revive early.

Looking back, I want to start on cyndia for my lunch and place a bit of pressure there and see how she reacts.

*************lynch cyndia*************

 

[LetItSnow]

I am on the village's side, I will do whatever it takes to help the village and to lynch wolves. This focus on me is merely shifting focus away from actual potential wolves.

Can someone other than Ceke fill me in - obviously Ceke has revealed as neutral or chaos and I missed it in my quick skim.

Which was it?

And Ceke - I don't play that game. Chaos or Neutral don't count as village. They are totally legit lynches. Just because you SAY you're helping the village doesn't mean you actually are. As often as not Chaos or Neutral have their own win condition, and often trying to achieve it means working against village. I'm a long-time hard-core "lynch the neutral/chaos player" advocate.

Gonna sit on my Cyndia lynch for now, but I will be lynching Ceke soon.

 

[WildZoo]

Well then it's a stupid ability and I am now very disappointed. I wanted it to be an ability that would help the village.

I mean, it sort of could have been, if you really did have a link to important info and you hadn't outted yourself. But unfortunately anonymous info isn't going to be trusted anyway, so you'd also have to have had someone else be like "Hey those gifs are a legit source" and then we'd have to interpret correctly. All very convoluted really.

So it's one of those roles that is mostly just good for some lulz.

 

[WildZoo]

Can someone other than Ceke fill me in - obviously Ceke has revealed as neutral or chaos and I missed it in my quick skim.

Which was it?

And Ceke - I don't play that game. Chaos or Neutral don't count as village. They are totally legit lynches. Just because you SAY you're helping the village doesn't mean you actually are. As often as not Chaos or Neutral have their own win condition, and often trying to achieve it means working against village. I'm a long-time hard-core "lynch the neutral/chaos player" advocate.

Gonna sit on my Cyndia lynch for now, but I will be lynching Ceke soon.

She hasn't. Her wording there is interesting considering she's still claiming village.

 

[DVMDream]

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...Someone else want to take this one?

Don't think I could explain it any better.

 

[LetItSnow]

Here's where he claimed it, pretty much as soon as PBC came back

Thanks for saving me the time (really).

I think that's consistent. I'm probably the most verbose advocate of early rezzes, but I'm pretty sure historically STL has agreed, so I buy the claim.

 

[WildZoo]

ETA:

I feel like she's not as aggressive as she is when she's played village lately. I'm torn on whether to get suckered into a 'well, she's busy with real life and kids' thing or to do what I always tell everyone else to do and ignore excuses and lean on her. Probably the latter soonish. She's low on the list, but she's on it.

Fair point. Her more recent normal, I think, was more along the busy side but I could be remembering wrong. I don't want to rely too heavily on meta or on time on the whole being busy thing, so good to keep an eye out for what contributions she makes when she is here.

 

[Ceke2002]

Kind of more meant what you said a bit later - that she's not actually looking for wolves, just looking for what sticks. Deciding she wants to vote for some person and coming up with a reason to do it (which ends up looking ridiculous), instead of finding the reasons first and deciding from there.

Actually that's not how my game style works. I go by intuitive feels first, that puts someone on my radar, then I go through and check if my gut feels are leaning more towards correct or not correct - at that point I either clear the person as a villager, or I put them in the potential wolf target pile - but what I don't do is randomly choose a name and then go hunting for evidence against a random somebody. To me there's just a feel to some of the posts that I can't quite put my finger on, but it pings my wolf meter so I go and check it out, same as when you guys find something off or suspicious about my posts, but aren't entirely sure about them.

 

[LetItSnow]

She hasn't. Her wording there is interesting considering she's still claiming village.

Oh really? Because saying "I'm working for the village" (I can't remember the exact language, but...) really sounded pretty straightforward.

Hm.

 

[Ceke2002]

Can someone other than Ceke fill me in - obviously Ceke has revealed as neutral or chaos and I missed it in my quick skim.

Which was it?

And Ceke - I don't play that game. Chaos or Neutral don't count as village. They are totally legit lynches. Just because you SAY you're helping the village doesn't mean you actually are. As often as not Chaos or Neutral have their own win condition, and often trying to achieve it means working against village. I'm a long-time hard-core "lynch the neutral/chaos player" advocate.

Gonna sit on my Cyndia lynch for now, but I will be lynching Ceke soon.

I'm village, not chaos or neutral, 100% village.

 

[WildZoo]

Actually that's not how my game style works. I go by intuitive feels first, that puts someone on my radar, then I go through and check if my gut feels are leaning more towards correct or not correct - at that point I either clear the person as a villager, or I put them in the potential wolf target pile - but what I don't do is randomly choose a name and then go hunting for evidence against a random somebody. To me there's just a feel to some of the posts that I can't quite put my finger on, but it pings my wolf meter so I go and check it out, same as when you guys find something off or suspicious about my posts, but aren't entirely sure about them.

See but in those cases I'll just say "yeah I can't quite put my finger on it but this feels wolfy," not worry about hunting down some "evidence" that actually isn't evidence at all. What I'm saying is that in this process, you seem to be trying too hard to look for something to analyze, and it's resulting in things that don't make sense. Wolves tend to be more worried about justifying their feelings than villagers are, because they're worried they'll be questioned about it and will look sketchy if they don't have a good explanation. Villlagers are ok with going with their gut.

 

[LetItSnow]

I'm village, not chaos or neutral, 100% village.

Ok. Well. Saying "I am on the village's side [...]" is kinda weird language for someone who is a villager.

 

[Ceke2002]

She hasn't. Her wording there is interesting considering she's still claiming village.

Why would a villager claiming to be on the side of the village and will do whatever it takes to help the village be considered 'interesting'? The way I worded that seemed pretty clear that I'm claiming village because that's my affiliation, picking up on a small point like the way I've expressed myself might be considered reaching for a reason to lynch as well.

As I've said before, seer me and clear me, or lynch me tomorrow and dissect the autopsy, either way I'll show up as a villager. And I will fight against a lynch vote for that very reason as well, villager numbers against wolves are important, cracked eggs or not.

 

[LetItSnow]

Why would a villager claiming to be on the side of the village and will do whatever it takes to help the village be considered 'interesting'? The way I worded that seemed pretty clear that I'm claiming village because that's my affiliation

Saying "I am a villager" is clear. Saying "I am on the side of the village" sounds much less so.

As I've said before, seer me and clear me, or lynch me tomorrow and dissect the autopsy, either way I'll show up as a villager. And I will fight against a lynch vote for that very reason as well, villager numbers against wolves are important, cracked eggs or not.

Personally, when I'm seering, I'd rather seer people who have less in the thread about them to decide on, and I'd rather test-by-lynch people who are controversial. Because break-an-egg.

Just me, though.

 

[Ceke2002]

Ok. Well. Saying "I am on the village's side [...]" is kinda weird language for someone who is a villager.

Should I have preface it with 'As a villager'? I honestly can't think of any other way I could have put that, not off the top of my head at least.

But yes, villager, villager with the ability to insert messages into the night write up which are then converted into gifs. And while everyone is looking at me, you're not catching wolves (or chaos or neutral).

 

[Ceke2002]

Saying "I am a villager" is clear. Saying "I am on the side of the village" sounds much less so.

Personally, when I'm seering, I'd rather seer people who have less in the thread about them to decide on, and I'd rather test-by-lynch people who are controversial. Because break-an-egg.

Just me, though.

And that's fine, I'm just saying cracking this particular egg will net you exactly one dead villager.

 

[WildZoo]

I also get twingy whenever someone practically begs to be seered. Might be my own personal brand of paranoia.

 

[LetItSnow]

Should I have preface it with 'As a villager'? I honestly can't think of any other way I could have put that, not off the top of my head at least.

Does this really need explaining?

A villager doesn't need to say "I am on the village's side" because ... a villager by definition is on the villager side. It's odd language. A significant part of this game is about looking for oddities that don't add up.

I mean, I read that post and look at what my first take on it was - I immediately assumed you had outted yourself as neutral or chaos and I had missed it. That's how strongly the message came through.

 

[LetItSnow]

And that's fine, I'm just saying cracking this particular egg will net you exactly one dead villager.

Ok, whatever. That's part of the point of breaking an egg. People always act like it's such a tragedy to lynch a villager. Big deal. We spend most of our time doing it. It just adds more data to the pile and answers a question. If there wasn't uncertainty about someone, it wouldn't require egg-breaking.

 

[Ceke2002]

Does this really need explaining?

A villager doesn't need to say "I am on the village's side" because ... a villager by definition is on the villager side. It's odd language. A significant part of this game is about looking for oddities that don't add up.

I mean, I read that post and look at what my first take on it was - I immediately assumed you had outted yourself as neutral or chaos and I had missed it. That's how strongly the message came through.

But then you would've checked and seen that I hadn't. You would've gone on a hunch or feel, and then looked for evidence.

 

[SkiOtter]

If a seer can clear me tonight then all well and good.

See, I never like it when people say "seer me! seer me!!" Because unseerable wolves say this too often because they know they will come up village.

 

[Ceke2002]

Ok, whatever. That's part of the point of breaking an egg. People always act like it's such a tragedy to lynch a villager. Big deal. We spend most of our time doing it. It just adds more data to the pile and answers a question. If there wasn't uncertainty about someone, it wouldn't require egg-breaking.

Then fine, I'll take my lumps if it helps refocus everyone back onto catching wolves. I don't play this game to see how long I can last, I play it for the village overall because that's the affiliation assigned to me. Much like an RP where players have all previously agreed to take on certain roles, and to play within those roles - when I table topped if I had a set story/game in motion, and I had set parameters and role types within that story, I didn't just go and do random stuff because I felt like, I stuck to the assigned story and role. Same way I play WW.

And if you want full disclosure. I am a Heddura Tequila, I am expensive, bring class to the bar, but can cause people to get lost and confused when they drink me (paraphrased). Also villager.

 

[Ceke2002]

See, I never like it when people say "seer me! seer me!!" Because unseerable wolves say this too often because they know they will come up village.

And a villager with their head on the next chopping block might want someone to clear them too.

 

[LetItSnow]

Then fine, I'll take my lumps if it helps refocus everyone back onto catching wolves. I don't play this game to see how long I can last, I play it for the village overall because that's the affiliation assigned to me. Much like an RP where players have all previously agreed to take on certain roles, and to play within those roles - when I table topped if I had a set story/game in motion, and I had set parameters and role types within that story, I didn't just go and do random stuff because I felt like, I stuck to the assigned story and role. Same way I play WW.

And if you want full disclosure. I am a Heddura Tequila, I am expensive, bring class to the bar, but can cause people to get lost and confused when they drink me (paraphrased). Also villager.

For someone claiming to be a hard-working wolf hunter, you're veering dangerously into Crayola territory here with all that table-top RP stuff that isn't relevant.

I dunno. I might be tunneling. But this whole exchange just reeks sketchiness to me. I'll let it go, let it sit, and see what I think in a day or two.

 

[PippyPony]

See, I never like it when people say "seer me! seer me!!" Because unseerable wolves say this too often because they know they will come up village.

FYI, comments like these are why I voted for you yesterday. This has already been said at least once, so this rings like a "yeah! me too!" statement to me.

 

[SkiOtter]

I'm sure the mods wouldn't allow blatant misdirection.

Lololololololol yeah no

That's why lots of people don't believe anonymous messages and just disregard them.

 

[rabbott1971]

I am a Heddura Tequila

Herradura? If we were just reading that from the mod email, would we really butcher it so badly? I mean, maybe, but...probably not? weird

 

[SummerTheLynx]

Just getting back on, BI is making me be super social today, so I am coming back in on spurts. Cyndia has messaged me and claimed a role that can go either way with respect to villager or wolf, but has used it in a way that can kind of be interpreted as a villager favorable way (if she is a villager, then yes it was a favorable way, but if she is a wolf, she could have used it in this manner with only a slight decrease in benefit and still looking Villagery). I haven't got a chance to read up on much other stuff, but now that cyndia is at least talking, I will ********unlynch cyndia*******

 

[SkiOtter]

FYI, comments like these are why I voted for you yesterday. This has already been said at least once, so this rings like a "yeah! me too!" statement to me.

Well I'm at work and am catching up and responding as I see posts. I didn't see anyone on the last page say anything about begging to be seered being sketchy, so I said it. First I saw of it was subs on this page after Cake said it again.

 

[Ceke2002]

Herradura? If we were just reading that from the mod email, would we really butcher it so badly? I mean, maybe, but...probably not? weird

Yes that's the one, I didn't go back and read the exact PM I was going by memory, and I'm not a Tequila drinker so I butchered the remembering of the name.

 

[SkiOtter]

Yes that's the one, I didn't go back and read the exact PM I was going by memory, and I'm not a Tequila drinker so I butchered the remembering of the name.

I'm not an alcohol drinker in general and I can spell herradura

 

[Ceke2002]

I'm not an alcohol drinker in general and I can spell herradura

I didn't even know there was a Tequila with that name.

 

[raf2769]

I am not opposed to the cyndia lynch, but I do think she would have at least put a vote down for genny yesterday instead of just talking about it if she was a wolf.

Looking at voting history (so WIFOM coming up): D1 allie made the genny/PBC tie towards PBC and 3m is kinda in sketch vote zone but not as concerned about her rn. WZ is in a good place on the genny lynch if she is a wolf busting a fellow wolf. D2: Allie and dvmd are later but good if genny was going down to get your vote on her.

This makes me still wonder about allie from my thoughts from yesterday, so I'll vote there for now because I have to go.

Lynch Allieh

do you have any thoughts on any other players? I feel like there's a lot more to analyze than just voting patterns at this point.
It's interesting that you aren't opposed to the cyndia lynch, but you didn't vote that way to raise her lynch numbers, since it looks like she's the other person that could be lynched today (atm).
Instead, you voted for someone who's not on the board at all and there's little/no discussion happening about them.

 

[Animal Midwife]

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D3 We Got Big Bird Drunk? Unofficial Lynch Tally

Kam () -
Snowy (5) - raf, WZ, Ceke, DVMD, LotF
Cyndia (3) - Pippy, LIS, Kam
Allie (1) - Snowy

9/20 accounted for.

~5 hours remaining!

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[WildZoo]

I forgot i'd put the dead villagers on ignore, was wondering why i wasn't seeing any tallies

 

[WildZoo]

Role names aren't really going to tell us anything are they? So i consider that a non-issue.

 

[SkiOtter]

Role names aren't really going to tell us anything are they? So i consider that a non-issue.

Unless we know what cheezit/trout realllllyyyy hate, I don't really see how role names would help too much.

 

[raf2769]

also - does anyone have any thoughts on how snowy is reacting to this lynch?
She seems like grumpy/frustrated.
But I feel like villager snowy is usually more emotional when she's getting lynched as villager? I really don't remember though, so I could be completely wrong

 

[Ceke2002]

Unless we know what cheezit/trout realllllyyyy hate, I don't really see how role names would help too much.

Honesty points.

 

[Melchizedek]

I forgot i'd put the dead villagers on ignore, was wondering why i wasn't seeing any tallies

AM literally has been ninja'ing me all game with lynch tallies.

 

[finnickthedog]

AM literally has been ninja'ing me all game with lynch tallies.

I don't see why you're complaining. I would love it if someone did tallies for me all game when I was modding. I'd stop bothering.

 

[finnickthedog]

Honesty points.

What? You can't really get points for honesty if we have no way to verify that what you said is in fact true.

Also, if roles names don't mean anything then a wolf is going to be just as honest in regards to their role name. Good wolves don't like when they don't have to.

 

[Melchizedek]

I don't see why you're complaining. I would love it if someone did tallies for me all game when I was modding. I'd stop bothering.

I like the tallying, I don't like being ninja'd in general. hence the grump emote