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I recently found out about hospitalists, that work 7 days on and 7 days off and this seems to me the perfect place to be.

As a DO are you able to work as a hospitalist. If they say they want an MD and dont mention a DO degree in their requirements does that mean I cant apply?
 
A DO is a doctor and can do a doctor's job.

Now if you completed a residency in psychiatry or pediatrics you might have a problem getting a job as a hospitalist. But a DO or MD with the proper residency qualifications are the same.

The greater problem here seems to be your lack of education regarding what a DO is. A DO is a PHYSICIAN. Not an imposter, but a real honest to goodness doctor. As such, a DO is qualified to do any physician job providing they meet the proper residency completion requirements (i.e. pediatrics residency for a pediatrician, psych residency for psychiatrist, radiology residency for radiologist, etc.).
 
A DO is a doctor and can do a doctor's job.

Now if you completed a residency in psychiatry or pediatrics you might have a problem getting a job as a hospitalist.

Why do you say that? I thought peds hospitalists jobs were out there, same as IM.
 
As a DO are you able to work as a hospitalist. If they say they want an MD and dont mention a DO degree in their requirements does that mean I cant apply?

I'm kind of astounded that you've been posting here for over 3 years and you're asking this question. I mean, really?
 
Why do you say that? I thought peds hospitalists jobs were out there, same as IM.
Unless you work in a children's hospital, "hospitalist" is generally taken to denote adult medicine. Like "internist" is generally taken to denote "internal medicine" which is adult medicine. I have heard people say they were a "pediatric internist".. they have often completed a residency in IM/Peds. Hospitalists who work in a children's hospital I have heard referred to as "pediatric hospitalist". I'm sure the semantics will all change if hospital medicine becomes a subspecialty as I have heard has been discussed. All the hospitalist positions I have seen (and I have searched for them as I've been interested in this career track) require IM or FM residency completion.

Of course, the semantics may also be regional.
 
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Why do you say that? I thought peds hospitalists jobs were out there, same as IM.

There are, but pediatric hospitalists do not seem to be nearly as prevalent as adult hospitalists... probably because there are fewer pediatric hospitals and wards.
 
Back to the OP, not all hospitalists work 7 on 7 off, that is going to differ from location to location.
 
Go IM if you want to do hospitalist, FM can do it too, but I don't think it's as common. I've also heard rumors of a 'hospitalist' residency/fellowship or something coming down the pipe soon. I've also heard stirrings of saturation becoming a problem, because frankly ... it's a sweet gig.
 
There are, but pediatric hospitalists do not seem to be nearly as prevalent as adult hospitalists... probably because there are fewer pediatric hospitals and wards.

No, not as prevalent, but I think you will see more of them in the future at smaller hospitals. Local pediatricians in my area have been using a pediatric hospitalist from one of the local groups here. When you're seeing forty kids a day, the last thing you want to do is go back to the hospital to see a few more inpatients.

I've also seen a growing number of nocturnists to cover late admissions. Hospital medicine is changing quite a bit these days.
 
Go IM if you want to do hospitalist, FM can do it too, but I don't think it's as common. I've also heard rumors of a 'hospitalist' residency/fellowship or something coming down the pipe soon. I've also heard stirrings of saturation becoming a problem, because frankly ... it's a sweet gig.

There already are hospitalist fellowships-- mostly intended for family practice guys, but you currently don't need a fellowship to do it. The problem with most family practice residencies is that they spend 4 or more half days a week in clinic for their entire residency and don't have a lot of time in inpatient medicine or critical care. You can spend your elective time to do more of these rotations, though.

My IM residency, OTOH, does have one half day a week doing outpatient medicine because it's a requirement, but spends quite a few months each year doing inpatient and critical care. It really is designed more for people who want to do hospital medicine. That's one of the reasons it was my first choice. There are IM residencies, though, that concentrate more on outpatient medicine.
 
Do you speak from experience or just to stir up trouble? Anyone else heard of this?
My sister is an MD and on the board her hospital that reviews requests for hospital rights. She said they never approve DOs. It's probably not that common, but it seems there is still a lot of discrimination in some parts of the country.
 
Unless the hospital doesn't grant hospital rights to DOs.

It's technically illegal to do so, and your experience/comment is irrelevant and untrue. DOs are extremely well represented in IM, both through ACGME and AOA approved residencies, and I've never heard of discrimination with regards to AOA vs ACGME IM at hospitals, nor have I ever heard or DOs having issue getting into ACGME IM programs. A DO with an ACGME IM residency will have no issue. Saying DOs can't get hospitals rights is beyond ignorant and misinformed.
 
My sister is an MD and on the board her hospital that reviews requests for hospital rights. She said they never approve DOs. It's probably not that common, but it seems there is still a lot of discrimination in some parts of the country.

HAHAHAHA, wow ... completely untrue. Don't feed the troll.
 
DO is not the same as MD; different education, different physician.
 
HAHAHAHA, wow ... completely untrue.

Yeah, there is 0 discrimination against DOs. Everyone in the country views them as equals to MDs. lol. There was just an article posted not long ago about how the largest hospital system in NC does not recognize osteopathic education.

Secondly, how would you know if my sister told me that or not? You wouldn't.

My sister is very anti-DO, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if she gives thumbs down to any DO requesting hospital privileges.
 
Yeah, there is 0 discrimination against DOs. Everyone in the country views them as equals to MDs. lol. There was just an article posted not long ago about how the largest hospital system in NC does not recognize osteopathic education.

Secondly, how would you know if my sister told me that or not? You wouldn't.

My sister is very anti-DO, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if she gives thumbs down to any DO requesting hospital privileges.

I'm curious which hospital this is.
 
DO is not the same as MD; different education, different physician.

Ugh...

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DO is not the same as MD; different education, different physician.

The fact that most DOs don't come out of training with a pompus attitude and acting like the world owes them something has me thinking you may be right.
 
Yeah, there is 0 discrimination against DOs. Everyone in the country views them as equals to MDs. lol. There was just an article posted not long ago about how the largest hospital system in NC does not recognize osteopathic education.

Secondly, how would you know if my sister told me that or not? You wouldn't.

My sister is very anti-DO, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if she gives thumbs down to any DO requesting hospital privileges.

Troll. I think this thread should probably be locked. I'm from NC and I know for a fact that there are DOs as attendings and in residency programs at UNC and Duke.
 
I'm from NC and I know for a fact that there are DOs as attendings and in residency programs at UNC and Duke.

There is one DO at Duke (Scott Strine in Neurology) of 380 physicians in the Department of Medicine.
 
Troll. I think this thread should probably be locked. I'm from NC and I know for a fact that there are DOs as attendings and in residency programs at UNC and Duke.

No one has mentioned UNC or Duke.
 
I think that I am the only practicing Hospitalist posting here, so listen up. Several of my partners are DOs, they are real, live doctors that do the exact same job that I do, for the exact same pay (actually some make more because they have seniority). In the real world this is a difference without a distinction. Trolls make me laugh. If Matrix were here, he'd laugh too.
 
I think that I am the only practicing Hospitalist posting here, so listen up. Several of my partners are DOs, they are real, live doctors that do the exact same job that I do, for the exact same pay (actually some make more because they have seniority). In the real world this is a difference without a distinction. Trolls make me laugh. If Matrix were here, he'd laugh too.

Your piss ant men make me laugh
 
Yeah, there is 0 discrimination against DOs. Everyone in the country views them as equals to MDs. lol. There was just an article posted not long ago about how the largest hospital system in NC does not recognize osteopathic education.

Please link to this article.
 
Please link to this article.

http://www.ncoma.org/newsletters/summer2009Newsletter.html

DO Advocacy Continues at Carolinas Healthcare System

As we have reported in the past, Carolinas Healthcare System (CHS), the largest hospital system in North Carolina, still does not recognize osteopathic post-graduate education. CHS, based in Charlotte, has refused to amend its bylaws despite repeated advocacy attempts on the part of NCOMA and the AOA. Unfortunately, the only remaining avenues for change seemed to be legal proceedings.

Recently, however, CHS has called for meetings to discuss the issue, the first of which occurred on June 12. The committee heard testimony on the systems of osteopathic post-graduate education and sought to compare this to ACGME training. The AOA was represented by Michael Opipari, DO, chair of the AOA Council on Postgraduate Training.

Dr. Opipari outlined how osteopathic training programs are evaluated and approved by specialty organizations to ensure standards within each program, a process analogous to that of the ACGME. He further noted that osteopathic training was formally recognized by many state and federal statutes, as well as by Medicare, the VA system, and the military medical corps. It was also pointed out that some prominent allopathic systems, such as Henry Ford in Detroit and the Cleveland Clinic, had incorporated osteopathic training programs into their systems when previously osteopathic hospitals were either merged or acquired.

Dr. Opipari also noted that most allopathic specialty colleges recognize AOA training and certification on an equal basis with the ACGME/ABMS system for purposes of membership and fellowship status.

The CHS committee requested additional information on the osteopathic board certification process. A future conference call is planned.

No decisions have yet been made on this important issue. The NCOMA and the AOA continue to work hard on this matter, which affects a DO's future opportunities to practice in the CHS system. CHS operates 25 hospitals in North and South Carolina.

Affected DO's are urged to make themselves known to the NCOMA so their voice can be heard in our advocacy efforts.

CHS believes that there are only a few DO's involved, however, according to the NC Medical Board, there are 65 licensed DO's practicing in Charlotte alone, and 81 new licenses were granted to DO's in North Carolina since the beginning of 2009. How many more DO's would choose to come to North Carolina? E-mail
 
Please link to this article.

I read it on the North Carolina Osteopathic Medical Association site:

.As we have reported in the past, Carolinas Healthcare System (CHS), the largest hospital system in North Carolina, still does not recognize osteopathic post-graduate education. CHS, based in Charlotte, has refused to amend its bylaws despite repeated advocacy attempts on the part of NCOMA and the AOA. Unfortunately, the only remaining avenues for change seemed to be legal proceedings..
But whatever. This is a lie. I am a troll. And my sister doesn't reject DOs. DO's don't face any discrimination at all at any hospital or program. I'm just here trying to stir up trouble. 🙄

I'm getting threats via private message from a moderator about "trolling", so I think I'm about finished with my participation here on this website. Peace. Good luck to all of you all.
 
I read it on the North Carolina Osteopathic Medical Association site:



But whatever. This is a lie. I am a troll. And my sister doesn't reject DOs. DO's don't face any discrimination at all at any hospital or program. I'm just here trying to stir up trouble. 🙄

I'm getting threats via private message from a moderator about "trolling", so I think I'm about finished with my participation here. Peace. Good luck to all of you all.

If your sister is very anti-DO, then why are you applying to DO schools? It would be so weird if you tried to apply for privileges at her hospital.
 
I have little desire to enter any arguments, I just found something very funny in the story linked above. In the same state where they are fighting for recognition from hospital systems...

".DO's are represented on the NC Medical Board, and for the first time in its 150 year history, will have a DO as its president."

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Maybe with the president a DO they will change their mind? Nah, not likely. People are stubborn.
 
I read it on the North Carolina Osteopathic Medical Association site:

But whatever. This is a lie. I am a troll. And my sister doesn't reject DOs. DO's don't face any discrimination at all at any hospital or program. I'm just here trying to stir up trouble. 🙄

It's not a lie, but it sure as hell is an exaggeration of the facts. You claimed they didn't recognize osteopathic education when, in fact, they don't recognize osteopathic POST-GRADUATE training, as in DO residencies. Since most DOs complete MD residencies, the point is moot for DOs in general, so your assertion and implication that the hospital doesn't take DOs was 100% false.
 
Osteopathic post-grad education is a subset of osteopathic education. Post-grad ed ⊆ed. There were no exaggerations, only a misunderstanding on your part.

You don't think there's a difference between implying that a hospital system won't take DOs period and telling the truth -- that they don't like DO residencies? LOL, good luck on the MCAT and getting into med school, troll.
 
It's not a lie, but it sure as hell is an exaggeration of the facts. You claimed they didn't recognize osteopathic education when, in fact, they don't recognize osteopathic POST-GRADUATE training, as in DO residencies. Since most DOs complete MD residencies, the point is moot for DOs in general, so your assertion and implication that the hospital doesn't take DOs was 100% false.
I wouldn't say its a moot point given the expansion of MD schools and thus more DO students will need to enter AOA residencies.
 
Wow there are alot of posts. Thanks everyone. Well Yes I know MD's and DO's are the same. I was just wondering if people give DO's a hard time and If I became a DO I would be able to go for this job. Thanks guys.
 
I think that I am the only practicing Hospitalist posting here, so listen up. Several of my partners are DOs, they are real, live doctors that do the exact same job that I do, for the exact same pay (actually some make more because they have seniority). In the real world this is a difference without a distinction. Trolls make me laugh. If Matrix were here, he'd laugh too.

Are you people kidding me here??? LOOK AT THIS!!! LOOK AT THIS!!!!

This is an attending physician who works in a hospitalist group with DOs and says they are treated exactly the same in every way, shape and form, and you're still arguing???

Grow up. Seriously, ugh.

Lock this stupid, pointless, didn't use the search engine, troll factory, worthless pile of excrement.
 
Wow there are alot of posts. Thanks everyone. Well Yes I know MD's and DO's are the same. I was just wondering if people give DO's a hard time and If I became a DO I would be able to go for this job. Thanks guys.

If only an attending physician would come in and give his/her first hand, real world experience regarding the matter ...
 
I wouldn't say its a moot point given the expansion of MD schools and thus more DO students will need to enter AOA residencies.

No one said it was a moot point, but there is a huge difference between saying a hospital system won't take DOs and a hospital system won't take physicians who've done a DO residency.
 
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