If anyone is interested in doing medical school in ROMANIA?

Are you out of your mind? Romanian medical schools suck! I know that for a fact, I grew up there and I came to do medical school in US. Don't be ridiculous. If you go to a Romanian medical school, you will not only learn nothing, but you will also have to pay to pass exams... it is called bribe! and most of the professors require it, otherwise they would not pass you. People, no matter how desperate you are DO NOT GO TO MEDICAL SCHOOL IN Romania!

Fritz said:

Are you out of your mind? Romanian medical schools suck! I know that for a fact, I grew up there and I came to do medical school in US. Don't be ridiculous. If you go to a Romanian medical school, you will not only learn nothing, but you will also have to pay to pass exams... it is called bribe! and most of the professors require it, otherwise they would not pass you. People, no matter how desperate you are DO NOT GO TO MEDICAL SCHOOL IN Romania!

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how do you call when you daddy writes a 5 milion bucks cheque for harvard and you get into that school ?
everywhere people are people. even your akin named helmuth kohn got black money. he had to resign.
do you have anything to say ?

Hello,

Unfortunately there are many of our collegues& also people form the outside that "help" interested young boys& girls to get admission to Romanian's medical schools and charge them with up to 5000$ for their services.

I am a medical student in 4th year in Oradea ( romania ), representative of the students body and member of the faculty's council, and I experienced a lot of trouble with those agents of whom the majority doesn't even have a contract with the University and they have no influence on the registration process at any time!

So please, if you are interested to start medical school in any country over the world, contact the desired University directly and don't pay any money to anyone!!
Registration fee in my Uni is 200€ and the study fees are 1.200€ for EU-citizens and 3.600$ for non-europeans. Not more, not less.

For additional Info on my uni search on www.uoradea.ro (official page!)
International medical students association www.aimso.org
Page of the 4th year general medicine: www.captainjoe.info

Friendly regards,
Jan Vollmer
President AIMSO

Fritz said:

Are you out of your mind? Romanian medical schools suck! I know that for a fact, I grew up there and I came to do medical school in US. Don't be ridiculous. If you go to a Romanian medical school, you will not only learn nothing, but you will also have to pay to pass exams... it is called bribe! and most of the professors require it, otherwise they would not pass you. People, no matter how desperate you are DO NOT GO TO MEDICAL SCHOOL IN Romania!

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DEAR FRITZ
i respect you view but i need to know where to go for my clinical specialization?in cardiology.
would you recommend any european union country for me ? which doesnt require high tuition fees?

kind regards
[email protected]

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The first comment sounds kind of fishy...I would't trust it
But I have a question, maybe you guys know...
I was told that there is an American Medical School in Romania, in Cluj, to be more specific...is it true? If it is...what's the tuition...and how does it work?
I wasn't able to find it online, so I am still wondering...

I am an American health care worker living in Romania. I don't know about medical schools personally but let me tell you about the doctors that these schools here are producing...the drs here want to put you and your children on antibiotics for every little sniffle, they tell the people to not drink or eat cold things because it gives you a sore throat and then of course if you have a sore throat you need an anitibiotic. Babies must have a hat on their heads...even if it is 75 or 80 degrees outside. A cross current such as a window on either side of the room being opened or a fan, will make you sick therefore even people living on the top floor of an apartment in the middle of the summer will not have a fan or cross current even when it reaches 90 degrees in their room. The drs here give injections all the time. Almost all antibiotics are given in injectable form...they believe it is more effective. The hospitals here are a disaster (maybe not in Bucharest and other big cities). Why would I want to go to medical school in a country where I wouldn't even go to the hospital for treatment.
Another thing I know is that I have a friend who is getting her masters degree in nursing here...she doesn't ever go to class...she just pays a bucket load of money to take some tests and waa la she will be a "nurse practitioner" even though she didn't go to any classes. After living here for many years, if I was in America and found out the dr I was seeing went to medical school here I would walk out of the office and find someone else!

wow that's a tragedy..I didn't expect Romanian health-care facilities to be so bad....(considering they're in the EU)

I am a Doctor, I am Romanian BUT I did not graduate in Romania. The perception offered here is completely untrue, unfounded and just more bad talk directed towards a country that is desperately trying to change!
It is true that in the past you could pay your way through SOME programs, I have never, NEVER heard or seen it done with Med school. Especially recently when any bribes, or threat of bribes are reportable and the fines are so severe, even prison sentence, people do not risk it!!!
Romanians are strong believers in naturalistic form of treatments and all though antibiotics are favoured they do initially try natural healing possibilities before seeking medical help. By the time the patients are seen at the doctor's office they usually DO require antibiotics!!
As far as the hat wearing and draft preventions... this is generations of family teachings that still continues today... but not in the doctor's office, the doctors DO in fact try to educate the people on how colds are transmitted. However, after generations of one belief it takes time to open the minds of the general population, don't blame the medical profession for this fact!!!

The truth is the truth, but don't bad mouth anything you don't really have a clue about!

I came across this via an internet search. This is my first post on this forum and I'm glad to have found it. Please excuse me for posting onto an old topic.

I work for an international organisation that places medical students from all around the world into affordable and accredited institutions. We have worked with Romanian institutes since 2001, so I my understanding comes from the experiences of clients, parents of clients and of my own.

The Romanian Education authorities have worked very hard to clear up and investigate cases of corruption and bribery. As always it only takes a few incidents to create an aura of negativity or a bad vibe. It's a case of a few rotten potatoes in a sack of really good ones. These reported incidents took place during 2001-2003 and authorities went as far as investigating the graduates who were involved with certain faculties that came under investigation.

Now in 2008, and after Romania's ascension into the E.U in 2007, the Romanian Education Ministry are a shining example of progress and good leadership. It's more a case of the bureaucrats are now on par with the high precedent set by some of the more established institutes of higher learning in Romania.

Much of our work with clients is about providing valid and qualified information about Romania. It's surprising how little some people know about this amazing culture and country. One of the many parts of my work, that I enjoy, is meeting parents and clients when they arrive in Romania. Most are surprised. Many still have the image of a post communist country rising out of a difficult situation and are delighted to see that it's at the opposite end of the spectrum.

I think we should carefully consider our words when making statements about an ENTIRE nation or system.

As to comments about health care in Romania, well my very biased response is that the state of health care in developed countries and most of the world is far from ideal. The future of health care lies in a marriage between traditional healing and contemporary medicine.

That future lies in the hands of medical students around the world who are prepared to step outside the boundaries and seek at a deeper level the true cause of all illness.

All the best!

Santhan

Thank you, MS Advisor

Please leave your discussions and criticisms respectful. If you disagree with someone's statement, offer constructive examples of how your own views differ from another members' experience.

These are pure lies. I was in Romania as an exchange student a couple of monnths ago. In fact romanian doctors are much better than americans when it comes to clinicals. There must be some reasons for your dismay! perhaps you were denied to marry or indefinite to stay in the country. There are tousands of romanian physicians now working in E.U countries.No such remarks heard at all. Stop blackmailing romanian medical education. In the U.S medical students are not even allowed to touch a patient how can you be a good physician such? In research field your country is of course second to non, but zero in clinicals.

As a medical student in Romania, allow me to impart some words of wisdom.

For acceptance, dont go through agents, contact the University's International Releations Office on their website.

If you want to study or specialise here, I would recomend you apply to the Universities of Cluj, Bucharest and Timisoara for the best education. After these, look at the Unis of Iasi, Oradea and Constanta. This selection is based on the English programmes.

As pointed out earlier, many Romanian doctors do work abroad and are of a high standard although the proportion of very good doctors is probably not as high as in developed countries as let's not forget that Romania is still deveoping (and at a rapid pace). Finances play a big part in education these days and so it can not be overlooked that the countries in this region or any other poorer region are lagging behind in terms of facilities, teaching standards, research etc and so obviously are not on as high a level. However, the way around this is for the student himself to compensate and study more in his free time and volunteer more at the hospital.

In conclusion I would just like to say, that although Romania does not offer the best education, it does offer an affordable platform from which one can develop into successful doctors in society.

If you are Health worker it does not mean that you can write things which you totally do not understand!
First of all I am GP and worked in your blessed country few years.
I saw so many cases of acute tonsillitis,pharyngitis and laryngitis,that I do not want even discuss it.
I truly believe(my experience is 14 years in ER),that if Americans would drink less ice-tea and put ice everywhere,will be much better for them.
About children,I really advise you to take a look at your American children-every 3rd has bronchial asthma,every 2nd-diabetic ,almost 45% of population "lives"on antidepressants,has attention deficit,bulemia,anorexia and wears diapers until 7.y.o.So on your place I would close your mouth and would not comment other people traditions and rules.
By the way if you are so against methods in MY country,why the hell you came here?
Go back to your God blessed country and stay there!
Also in regards to medical education.
I had "luck" to work with American nurses and what I understood,that education for nurses is very primitive,in spite that they proudly writes some titles,they can not elementary to do simple procedures.One nurse can do only one procedure,if she needs to do let say IV infusion,she calls another one etc.Our nurses can do everything and it is pleasure to work with them!

Cheers.

Hello people,
i have some question if some one could answer about romania.
1 Do we need to write any exams after PG frm romania to get job in other eu countries for eg sweden ,germanythere if yes what king of exam and what will be tha language of exam..?
2 About jobs in romania after Postgraduation, wether we can grab them.? If yes what does the usuall earnings for a surgeon wil be there? And same for other EU, for residency..?
3 After coming there and started learning language in good level, will it be easy to get a part time job, around 300-400 eur??

4 After hw many months of study in romania ,ects can we applied to other university, ie can we take transfer to an new college(university) or country n all who want to change can change or only few ones..??? And if we change to a new college, the degree would be granted by Romania it self or the new college. if we take seat in romania later we want to change it to france or nietherlands, we can change which language wil be the medium of instruction after transfere.

I don't want to bad mouth Romanian medical schools, it is my opinion that the education and health care system in Romania are far superior to the American one (especially in clinicals). That being said, I chose to leave Romania and immigrate to canada after highschool and do a B.Sc. and an M.Sc. and only now go to Medical School, INSTEAD of going to Timisoara University. Why? Because ever since 1989, medical and engineering uni's in Romania have been the garbage dump of all Eastern and Midlle-Eastern countries. TRUST me I come from a family of Academics in Romania, they prefered to have me LEAVE the country. Yes Romania is on it's way back tio the old GOLD standard medical education, but not anytime soon, there was too much money to be made. .
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One very real ...and sad....example I have is knowing a MD.PhD. Timisoara Medical Professor that immigrated to Canada because she followed her husband, took 2 attempts to pass the MCEE (qualifying exam for the boards) just to fail the 1 year pre-residency she obtained, and she lacked serious basic anatomical, biochemal and physiological knowledge. After being aquainted with that person I TOTALLY wrote going back home to medschool OFF my plans, there was no WAY i was going back to receive medical training from professors like THAT...NO WAY!!!!!!

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I noted someone said above that they would have expected something else for Romania being in the EU. I don't know why people not from Europe have this impression of anything in Europe (Eu or Non-EU) being so advanced, sophisticated, and better. I am from Europe, lived in the US, now living in the former east Germany. Even in the former West, there's plenty that is extremely backwards.

I also know several Romanians who were in the US and couldn't pass their exams, after practicing in RO for years. Then there are the ones that do, for research, or otherwise, and have nothing good to say about Romania. It's one thing to be defensive about your country, but it shouldn't make you blind. That is what's going on in Germany right now. An American cab driver gets paid more than a German Physician, yet Germans say nothing but good things about the country, despite the new rise of Nazism and the government's inability to ban it under anti-Nazi laws, horrible unemployment, especially in the east (greater than 20%), scams, such as with salaries and the government regulated incomes that no one seems to know how to calculate, so they accept it as right, even though they are getting salary bumps that have to be paid back the next when the HR dept said they made an error, sometimes 5 times a year. The list goes on and on, and really, when people talk about Europe, they should at least come here, or spend more than just a vacation here to see what living is really like. Even the young are having trouble getting jobs due to a barrier in hiring where an employer might hire some apprentices, but will fire them if they want to stay on because the employer now has to invest in them for further training. Our dealer is like this. Just a few master techs that do nothing, and 17 year old kids working on 100k€ cars, damaging them, and it's ok, because they only get paid 400€ per month. The dealership saves. There's horrible unemployment, even here in Germany, and yet no one seems to mind it. They always blame it on some other group of people.

Now the Romanians viewing this thread might be able to answer this: What do you guys do with the stray dogs in the streets?

This thread seems more like a debate than actuating what the exact conditions are. No offence to anybody. Romanian or just-studying-in-romania.

I'd like to hear from residents who are getting trained in the respective medical/surgical specialities as they'll have a better view of where they stand in comparison with their fellow EU competitors.

I know about the conditions in the country, the corruption and stray dogs. Let's discuss clinical material, work lifestyle, guidance from superiors and how much they get paid.

Thanks so much in advance.

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I'm sorry if this is not the thread for residency. If there is a running one already, it'd be great if you point out or if I could start one. Thanks.

dear friends
i am selected for medical specialization at oradea but the things is that i have to join and other university for preparatory course(language) in romania .
i would like to know that is it possible to get visa on the basis of initial admission acceptance letter and after submitting the fee there can i join an other state university on the same visa? or there is restriction that if i got the visa for cluj i have to study in cluj and if i want to join oradea for language course suppose, i have to get an other visa for and for that i need to returnback to my country for visa?

i hope you understand that.

kindly reply directly on my e mail id
[email protected]

sincere regards

dr riaz

[dear friends
i am selected for medical specialization at oradea but the things is that i have to join and other university for preparatory course(language) in romania .
i would like to know that is it possible to get visa on the basis of initial admission acceptance letter and after submitting the fee there can i join an other state university on the same visa? or there is restriction that if i got the visa for cluj i have to study in cluj and if i want to join oradea for language course suppose, i have to get an other visa for and for that i need to returnback to my country for visa?

i hope you understand that.
and please acknowledge me about the medical education system in romania.
kindly reply directly on my e mail id
[email protected]

sincere regards

dr riaz

Vulpe said:

If you are Health worker it does not mean that you can write things which you totally do not understand!
First of all I am GP and worked in your blessed country few years.
I saw so many cases of acute tonsillitis,pharyngitis and laryngitis,that I do not want even discuss it.
I truly believe(my experience is 14 years in ER),that if Americans would drink less ice-tea and put ice everywhere,will be much better for them.
About children,I really advise you to take a look at your American children-every 3rd has bronchial asthma,every 2nd-diabetic ,almost 45% of population "lives"on antidepressants,has attention deficit,bulemia,anorexia and wears diapers until 7.y.o.So on your place I would close your mouth and would not comment other people traditions and rules.
By the way if you are so against methods in MY country,why the hell you came here?
Go back to your God blessed country and stay there!
Also in regards to medical education.
I had "luck" to work with American nurses and what I understood,that education for nurses is very primitive,in spite that they proudly writes some titles,they can not elementary to do simple procedures.One nurse can do only one procedure,if she needs to do let say IV infusion,she calls another one etc.Our nurses can do everything and it is pleasure to work with them!

Cheers.

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Bravo omule
Good point , ... i had to wait like 6 our in ER in Canada for some one to look at me - beeing able to provide just - stomak sick and to take some aspirine or whatever, private hospital - imagine, ... and the next day , may parents got me on the first flight back home , ... and I had my appendectomy. They cut / the oppend / they took / the seald : and afther just 7 days I was climbing (ctivity of using one's hands and feet (or indeed any other part of the body) to ascend a steep object ) back in CA , ... I'll grad PsyD here ( RO - UVT - and to my Spec. in Forensics in Toronto and then FBI - Dc, and then I'll come back - to RO , to pursuit the dream ! Of "ceashca" - i'm only 27 yars old , and I remeber - that SChool here is like nowere , imagine , my sis , when she mouved to CA - she was here ( RO ) in 2nd grade , ... and she was put in the 4th soo, where IS school ? a school ? there beeing 14 years old and not knowing what's your/his ... name ?
Kisses , and WE will Prevail
M

PsyHard2Get said:

Bravo omule
Good point , ... i had to wait like 6 our in ER in Canada for some one to look at me - beeing able to provide just - stomak sick and to take some aspirine or whatever, private hospital - imagine, ... and the next day , may parents got me on the first flight back home , ... and I had my appendectomy. They cut / the oppend / they took / the seald : and afther just 7 days I was climbing (ctivity of using one's hands and feet (or indeed any other part of the body) to ascend a steep object ) back in CA , ... I'll grad PsyD here ( RO - UVT - and to my Spec. in Forensics in Toronto and then FBI - Dc, and then I'll come back - to RO , to pursuit the dream ! Of "ceashca" - i'm only 27 yars old , and I remeber - that SChool here is like nowere , imagine , my sis , when she mouved to CA - she was here ( RO ) in 2nd grade , ... and she was put in the 4th soo, where IS school ? a school ? there beeing 14 years old and not knowing what's your/his ... name ?
Kisses , and WE will Prevail
M

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The irony.

This is a somewhat old topic but something has to be said. As a Romanian native and a current medical student in the US, I am appalled at the lack of education on Romanian medical schools. Someone in this thread said he/she attended Oradea. Here is the link to this school.

http://www.captainjoe.info/index.html

Look at the information on the pages breaking down the topics that would be tested at the END of each year. I am SHOCKED!!!!!

The amount to information they learn in one year in physiology is done is 1 week in physiology in US medical schools. Look up any US medical school and its curriculum, and the difference is incredible! The information that these students are taught and tested on throughout the first three years of medical school is a PRE-REQUISITES for APPLYING to a US medical school. Most of that information is necessary for the MCAT. By the way, where is the clinical experience? Where are the rotations? Do they just get thrown in the hospital after a few introductory science courses? These are not doctors. These are people with Associates degrees in biology, at best!

Now I get why my parents think you can get a cold from being outside in the cold!

Vulpe said:

If you are Health worker it does not mean that you can write things which you totally do not understand!
First of all I am GP and worked in your blessed country few years.
I saw so many cases of acute tonsillitis,pharyngitis and laryngitis,that I do not want even discuss it.
I truly believe(my experience is 14 years in ER),that if Americans would drink less ice-tea and put ice everywhere,will be much better for them.
About children,I really advise you to take a look at your American children-every 3rd has bronchial asthma,every 2nd-diabetic ,almost 45% of population "lives"on antidepressants,has attention deficit,bulemia,anorexia and wears diapers until 7.y.o.So on your place I would close your mouth and would not comment other people traditions and rules.
By the way if you are so against methods in MY country,why the hell you came here?
Go back to your God blessed country and stay there!
Also in regards to medical education.
I had "luck" to work with American nurses and what I understood,that education for nurses is very primitive,in spite that they proudly writes some titles,they can not elementary to do simple procedures.One nurse can do only one procedure,if she needs to do let say IV infusion,she calls another one etc.Our nurses can do everything and it is pleasure to work with them!

Cheers.

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First of all, American nurses have very good educations, They learn a lot more than you would think. I was extremely surprised when I saw the nursing curriculums at various universities across the US. I have no idea where you got this idea that American nurses cannot do IV's by themselves. That is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Any what are you talking about American kids being in diapers until 7 yo. Where the hell are you talking about? Where are you getting this info becasue you've obviously never been to the US. You are ignorant and you should stop offering opinions on subjects you know nothing about.

PsyHard2Get said:

Bravo omule
Good point , ... i had to wait like 6 our in ER in Canada for some one to look at me - beeing able to provide just - stomak sick and to take some aspirine or whatever, private hospital - imagine, ... and the next day , may parents got me on the first flight back home , ... and I had my appendectomy. They cut / the oppend / they took / the seald : and afther just 7 days I was climbing (ctivity of using one's hands and feet (or indeed any other part of the body) to ascend a steep object ) back in CA , ... I'll grad PsyD here ( RO - UVT - and to my Spec. in Forensics in Toronto and then FBI - Dc, and then I'll come back - to RO , to pursuit the dream ! Of "ceashca" - i'm only 27 yars old , and I remeber - that SChool here is like nowere , imagine , my sis , when she mouved to CA - she was here ( RO ) in 2nd grade , ... and she was put in the 4th soo, where IS school ? a school ? there beeing 14 years old and not knowing what's your/his ... name ?
Kisses , and WE will Prevail
M

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Believe it or not, Canada is NOT the US. The reason you waited so long in Canada is because they have a completely different insurance system than the US, which causes extremely long waits for all kinds of procedures. See, what happens is that every country has its own rules. Wow, isn't that amazing? You are an idiot.
You say your sister was in 2nd grade in Romania and started 4th in the US. Ya, that's true. I was in 3rd when I left Romania and started 5th in the US. However, the education increases exponentially in the US, whereas it seems to just level-off in Romania and across most of Europe (this is a widely known fact). Somehow, medical education really fell off in Romania. It seems more like brain-washing based on the curriculum presented to these students.
P.S. No one knows what else you are talking about because that is NOT English. I don't know what these words are strung together but your English education is obviously lacking. Crezi ca esti destept dar te dovedesti prost. No mai oferii opinii la subiecte prea complicate pentru tine.

staicuia said:

However, the education increases exponentially in the US, whereas it seems to just level-off in Romania and across most of Europe (this is a widely known fact). Somehow, medical education really fell off in Romania.

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I disagree. This is probably the case with the Eastern European countries but not with those in Western Europe. I think it has to do with the fact that the universities aren't adequately funded by the government (like in the West) so they have quite limited resources and have to do best with what little the have.

Western European countries however, do handsomely fund their universities (that's why you'll hardly come across an English medical program in Western European with the exception of UK.) These universities also have very modern curricula that combines both traditional theoretical and application-based learning together.

angle said:

If anyone is interested in doing medical schoo lin ROMANIA? i can help them in processing their admission,contact me at [email protected]

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hello there , so u said u can help us in processing our admission, i have some enquiries.I have sent all the documents neccessary to the ministry of education in romania ,I'm british and I have got the Lebanese baccalaureate. I'm really worried about getting a place.Do you think I have good chances of getting accepted?And after sending the documents to the ministry shall resend them to each university ?

captainjoe said:

Hello,

Unfortunately there are many of our collegues& also people form the outside that "help" interested young boys& girls to get admission to Romanian's medical schools and charge them with up to 5000$ for their services.

I am a medical student in 4th year in Oradea ( romania ), representative of the students body and member of the faculty's council, and I experienced a lot of trouble with those agents of whom the majority doesn't even have a contract with the University and they have no influence on the registration process at any time!

So please, if you are interested to start medical school in any country over the world, contact the desired University directly and don't pay any money to anyone!!
Registration fee in my Uni is 200€ and the study fees are 1.200€ for EU-citizens and 3.600$ for non-europeans. Not more, not less.

For additional Info on my uni search on www.uoradea.ro (official page!)
International medical students association www.aimso.org
Page of the 4th year general medicine: www.captainjoe.info

Friendly regards,
Jan Vollmer
President AIMSO

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hello Jan , i wantd to ask you about the medical student advisor (MSA) its website i have found while trying to apply to romania where they said i have to pay 600euros and they will process my file .Shall i depend on them or do u think they are a fraud company?

There are 11 Medical Schools in Romania.All 11 Medical Schools offers medicine in Romanian language.Only 7 of them offers Medicine in English. 2 of them offers Medicine in French. 1 of them offers medicine in German.3 of them offers Dentistry or Pharmacy in English.
In comparison to western standards and those of more developed countries, facilities at state funded Romanian schools are modest. The education experience is of an acceptable standard and provides the prospective foreign student with an attractive opportunity to acquire a quality education in Medicine.
Romanian medical educational system is based on the European Credit Transfer System (ECTS).After graduation, your degree has value all over European Union Countries and beyond.
Medicine at the Romanian Medical School has a very effective, well structured teaching programme. The early clinical exposure from the 3rd year to the 6th year is invaluable to a medical student. Small group learning and problem solving based around clinical scenarios is a major part of the medical programme.

Hi i dont think they are fraud. I know of alot of students that have gotten there acceptance letter and have since started schooling.
the only issue is that probably they are not well informed by this agency.
Normally you could apply directly. but the chances are always slim when you do that from a distance.
If you have someone do this for you directly you get a better chance.
as far as i know, going there personal gives a high chance for them thats why people use the agency and to avoid stress and time.
You could contact
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/profile.php?id=100002066319819
for assitance

And who are you? You join the forum just to post that, meanwhile, there is documentation of MANY who have had thousands stolen from them by agents and the universities themselves even state to have the students apply direct and no agent is needed.

Even the sound of it sounds like a scam.

How about this: put your money where your mouth is: declare who you are and produce people, who are independently identifiable, so it can be confirmed whether it's a scam or not. I'm sure we're all going to see which way this would go. The Romanian medical school agent scam is a well known one, from a country now renowned and at least tied, if not, surpassing Nigeria in electronic scams, which supports entire segments of the Romanian economy.

I couldnt delete my post again.. so I had to fill it with this stuff

I want to go back to my home country Romania for medical school my mom worked as a doctor there I have dual citizenship Canadian/Romanian and I’m wondering how hard is it to get into the United States for a residency program I’m interested in Cardiology maybe but just in general can you give me and other information about non-US citizens applying for residency in the United States? I know that for my mom it was really hard to get accredited in Canada and she ended up working as an ultrasound technician and is now planning on going back to Romania to open up her own fertility clinic.

Cristian Ratiu said:

I want to go back to my home country Romania for medical school my mom worked as a doctor there I have dual citizenship Canadian/Romanian and I’m wondering how hard is it to get into the United States for a residency program I’m interested in Cardiology maybe but just in general can you give me and other information about non-US citizens applying for residency in the United States? I know that for my mom it was really hard to get accredited in Canada and she ended up working as an ultrasound technician and is now planning on going back to Romania to open up her own fertility clinic.

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WOW. Take a breath.

Well, I see that the old rumors are still hanging on. Let me put some insight, as I am a student here in the last year of M.D, here in Iasi, Romania.

Its true that back in the days, I mean early 2000's, the education system was corrupted and it was a total mess. But, since joining EU, Romania has progressed tremendously. They have changed their entire exams format, relying more on MCQ standardized exams then the traditional essay writing formats. They have improved their academics, bringing in more qualified professors to teach. {I am speaking this in terms of my University in Iasi}. They have re-organized their curriculum, changed some of the rotations ..in short, they have improved.

Now, the point of comparing Romania to US or Germany is pointless. Why? Well, they all have different teaching systems. Romania follows the French Medicine Teaching System. Therefore, we are more clinically oriented. We get much much more exposure to patients then any US school will allow, since in US you can't touch/talk patients with that ease. On the other hand, American Medicine is more oriented towards theoretical knowledge. Thus, they are superior in terms of theory, research, applications etc.

Therefore, both the US/Romanian doctors approach the patient with a different strategy, a different algorithm. It's not that they are doing the wrong thing or are bad. Its just difference of analyzing and treating patients. That said, I know so many professors who are top-notch in their fields. When it comes to clinical, I am sure they can match up to any specialized American doctor. That is what matters in the end: if you can treat properly or not, not if you know by heart one of the basic clinical sciences.

Lets face it. The thing about basic clinical sciences, all of us forget it by the time we reach the end of our medical curriculum. Ask me stuff of Biochem and I have completely forgotten. Its not that our curriculum was weak, its just that we've forgotten.

And the question as to why the Steps is hard for Romanian doctors. That's a bit biased. Steps are hard for ANY doctor from ANY country. Why? Again, they teach medicine in a complete different way then the rest of the world. You have to adapt to their system, to their thinking, to their methods etc. Same goes for the PLAB or for the AMC. So you can't rely on the credibility of a doctor just by looking if he cleared the Steps or not. That's illogical.

Lastly, everything comes down to an individual level. The University is just a door of resources; it all depends if the student can utilize these resources. If you think you are lacking knowledge, you can study on your own or go anytime in the clinics and talk/examine the patients. I think by far that's the best advantage here in Romania.

Hence, lets put to rest these rumors. People shouldn't stereotype just because they saw one bad doctor or are 'used' to hearing 'stuff' about Romania. I've heard stuff even about American doctors. Heck, the amount of lawsuits says it all. But, that doesn't mean all of the doctors are bad or were taught bad by their institutions.

Its all at the individual level........................!

Hi again I was checking MCAT forum and looked around and saw your post.. agree very much by the way.. but may I ask a question: in general we had an impression that in the English programs of E-EU med schools, the clinical experience is too weak that the graduates were coming out without proper clinical skills, and I was reasoning this with lack of native language practice of the foreign students.. you know, if you cant talk in Romanian, how can you communicate with the patients correctly? But you say that Iasi is by that regard better than US schools, at least some of them.. how can you handle the language barrier and take history for instance and be active in clinics? Can you (not only you, but in general the students you observe) learn Romanian language easily, or do the stuff in clinics help all of you? Or is it your personal chance to have support from the stuff?

This clinical experience point has always been a problem in my mind :/

bidiboom said:

Hi again I was checking MCAT forum and looked around and saw your post.. agree very much by the way.. but may I ask a question: in general we had an impression that in the English programs of E-EU med schools, the clinical experience is too weak that the graduates were coming out without proper clinical skills, and I was reasoning this with lack of native language practice of the foreign students.. you know, if you cant talk in Romanian, how can you communicate with the patients correctly? But you say that Iasi is by that regard better than US schools, at least some of them.. how can you handle the language barrier and take history for instance and be active in clinics? Can you (not only you, but in general the students you observe) learn Romanian language easily, or do the stuff in clinics help all of you? Or is it your personal chance to have support from the stuff?

This clinical experience point has always been a problem in my mind :/

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Well, language is a barrier, of course. But none the less, even if you cant talk that well with the patient, you have absolute freedom to examine him from head to toe, without any problem. {Btw, on a side note, its not that we are abusing them. They sign a contract when they enroll in university hospitals to help the students. So, its very ethical.}

In the 3rd year when I started clinics, it was hard :
1. We managed. Usually, we had a list of questions already translated in Romanian, the close-ended type questions, so the patient only responded in YES/NO.. Hehe..
2. We were taught Romanian in the first 2 years, so some of us were experts, others were not, like myself.
3. In all groups, there are 2 or 3 students who are very efficient in the language. So we tell them to ask questions for us. Its like a group of 2 or 3 students on one patient. One of them usually has a good command of the language and the others tell him to communicate and translate back for the rest of the group.

In general, history taking is a problem. Yes, in that aspect the clinical experience of history taking gets a blow. Therefore the need to learn the language well in the first 2 years. If you have a good command of the language, it will be easier also during on-calls. I was lazy in learning the language, and I suffered, albeit I managed with my broken Romanian But, the examination can still be performed.

Ok, thanks The languages of this region (including mine as well) are hard, and I remember the wife of one of the diplomats in Turkey, after taking many courses in Turkish, ordered "a hard man!" during a dinner, instead of "toast" ..hahaha.. in Turkish to say "toasted" you need to say "kizarmis".. its long and hard to pronounce, you know.. instead she used an easier word, "sert" means hard.. and instead of bread, "ekmek", she said man, "erkek"! hahahaha.. eventually it turned to this:

kizarmis ekmek - toast
sert erkek - hard man

its very open to be taken in another way in Turkish

I am Saudi Doctor finished my General Medicine from Carol Davila bucharest. Now im a medical doctor in Riyadh Saudi Arabia. Those who bash Romania are either ignorant or flatout lairs ! The ABC of medicine I learned it from Great doctors in Romania. You cannot blame the poor for being poor and also you cannot say the rich is the best because he has everything. Romania has so much to offer and its unfair to bash a whole country based on your personal experince. that is a biased attack! Other big countries around the Romanian nation have constantly robbed Romania throughout history, from the Roman empire to the Turks to the Russians!! and Now western companies are doing a good job in looting a nation of its God blessed resources. Its the rule of the strong over the lesser strong and peaceful. This long organized theft have limited the resources to be spent on Healthcare system for example. Yet the romanians have compensated. The reason why many romanians are not satisfied all the time is because they have a thirsty desire to get more of everything ! thats why some are not happy with romania because they always expect much ! in my opinion, Romania is the best. Romania will rise again just as a phoenix rising from the ashes.

yes alot of things changed dramaticly in Romania , i am half Romanian half Syrian ,but i lived almost all my life in Romania , in the early 2000 , medicine was a joke here and everybody bribed and passed , but since 2007 and especially after joining the E.U , things changed, some known professors got sued-fired- etc... ... , about 60% of foreign non studying students(who thought they can bribe) have failed and got kicked out , even with 7k euro ,for a single exam,it didnt work , the rules now are You Study , You Pass . although i feel sad to see alot of students who still believe Romanian education is still the same as the 90's and early 2000's , some foreign rich students are still coming here to Romania and FAIL to pass and the rule is you fail 2 times,you get kicked out , but hey there is still Private Medical schools here ,which you dont even have to go to the university and you still pass with full 10/10 )) , so those who come to bribe at a respected med school like Carol davilla , fail to bribe and then if they dont study ,they fail to pass,then if they fail for the 2nd time,they get kicked out, then go back to their country OR apply to a private med school and they pass with honors there )))) or go to other cities in Romania where the system is still corrupt, but now Bucharest-Cluj-Iasi , they are the best and they are improving , the nice thing here is from the 3rd year you start to learn everything in hospitals on actual patients ,see everything yourself ,you can enter to an operation room,stand next to the surgeon and learn directly, so this experience is uncomparable to anything else, >Some< professors have alot of experience and are well known and teach very good, i am only talking about Bucharest-Iasi-Cluj , the rest of the country are still living in the 80's . now i am sorry i wrote too much,but i had to say something.

Ahmedd hi, thank you for the info, its very much valuable. But I couldnt feel clear about one point: Were you talking about the English med programs, or the native ones? I mean you gave info about Cluj, but are you talking about its med program in Romanian, or English? One another question; are the contents of Romanian and English programs the same? It would be better to listen to you some more

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yes alot of things changed dramaticly in Romania , i am half Romanian half Syrian ,but i lived almost all my life in Romania , in the early 2000 , medicine was a joke here and everybody bribed and passed , but since 2007 and especially after joining the E.U , things changed, some known professors got sued-fired- etc... ... , about 60% of foreign non studying students(who thought they can bribe) have failed and got kicked out , even with 7k euro ,for a single exam,it didnt work , the rules now are You Study , You Pass . although i feel sad to see alot of students who still believe Romanian education is still the same as the 90's and early 2000's , some foreign rich students are still coming here to Romania and FAIL to pass and the rule is you fail 2 times,you get kicked out , but hey there is still Private Medical schools here ,which you dont even have to go to the university and you still pass with full 10/10 )) , so those who come to bribe at a respected med school like Carol davilla , fail to bribe and then if they dont study ,they fail to pass,then if they fail for the 2nd time,they get kicked out, then go back to their country OR apply to a private med school and they pass with honors there )))) or go to other cities in Romania where the system is still corrupt, but now Bucharest-Cluj-Iasi , they are the best and they are improving , the nice thing here is from the 3rd year you start to learn everything in hospitals on actual patients ,see everything yourself ,you can enter to an operation room,stand next to the surgeon and learn directly, so this experience is uncomparable to anything else, >Some< professors have alot of experience and are well known and teach very good, i am only talking about Bucharest-Iasi-Cluj , the rest of the country are still living in the 80's . now i am sorry i wrote too much,but i had to say something.

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well i study in English , i understand English better than the Native language (Romanian) , but i chose to study medicine in the Native language at the Carol Davila of Bucharest ,because it is considered the best in Romania and also because in Syria the native med study is always accepted where english study isnt 100% accepted,rules change alot , if you want to study in English , you should choose Bucharest , if you want to study in Romanian then Cluj-Iasi or Bucharest, the materials in both English and Romanian are the same , in English you will have only foreign students and in small numbers , the BIG problem is that in Romanian system , only the first 2 - 3 years you study at the class rooms and college ,the rest are at the hospital ,especially year 4-5-6 , you willnt even have any classroom , all studying will be live in hospitals on pacients,same as intern year in US i think , but with less responsabilities , so i cant imagine how a Foreigner who doesnt know Native language at all will comunicate with patients , so if you are doing lets say the Endocrinology rotation ,and in the practical exam you will have a patient which you need to take medical history-put a diagnostic etc etc .. how you are gonna do that if you dont know Native language , so its Hard, and from my point of view,you will learn less Live Action than those who speak the native language , and also patients dont speak english at alllllll .. but in the end you will have your medicine diplome and pass , because usually no body from the English guys fail , only the first 2 years some fail,and those who fail are the ones that dont study at all and not even come to classes = those who arent supposed to be medics in the first place... i hope you understand what i am trying to say , in native Romanian mode there is alot of foreigners with me too(arabs-ukranians-greek etc....), and some fail early,and some are passing exams with good results , so its up to you what you choose , but my advice is if you want English ,then apply Only to Carol Davilla Bucharest , if you are thinking about Bribe's etc etc... trust me they willnt guarantee you to pass the year, maybe you can bribe the sport teacher or marketing,or something with 1-2 credit points , but you cant bribe your way a whole year,and i know alot of the bribe type rich people who got kicked out and transferred to CTA or private universities and some are still in year 2 and i am approaching my last year. an example of the seriousness in Carol davilla ,last semestar the english studying guys in the Anatomy exam only 12 passed out of 70 students .

Hi everyone, in response to a generally bias view on the Romanian med school programme for English students, I'd like to inform you that there's 2 sides. I studied in Iasi. qualified in 2004. on a whole i did receive a fair medical foundation however what the Romanian system lacked (and this goes for other EU countries too) is a thorough clinical approach. As expected, medicine is all about being practical. practical training is not introduced as it is in my home country, South Africa. Luckily for me, every vacation away from Romania was spent in SA in a government hospital, learning practical skills. I know that other EU countries also experience this lack of "hands-on" approach as i met many EU visiting students at hospitals in SA doing elective work, much like myself.
Wrt corruption, sure it was there. Highly present in our 1st year. But if you studied and knew your subject, you will pass.
The med course to some extent is very laxed when it comes to foreign students, so it is totally up to you as a student to dedicate a few hours to studying. Good Luck if you're interested in pursuing a medical degree in Romania.
(on a side-note...gotta say..ps: Inna rocks Romania!! )

Hi there, I am currently living in england and trying to apply to the Romanian medical school "Carol Davila" University of Medicine and Pharmacy of Bucharest. I am really struggling to get through to the right department and also there is no one who is willing to talk to me about the application. Could you give me some advice on how to go about the application process by directly contacting the university. thank you so much for your help.

Regards
Sam Elmais

captainjoe said:

Hello,

Unfortunately there are many of our collegues& also people form the outside that "help" interested young boys& girls to get admission to Romanian's medical schools and charge them with up to 5000$ for their services.

I am a medical student in 4th year in Oradea ( romania ), representative of the students body and member of the faculty's council, and I experienced a lot of trouble with those agents of whom the majority doesn't even have a contract with the University and they have no influence on the registration process at any time!

So please, if you are interested to start medical school in any country over the world, contact the desired University directly and don't pay any money to anyone!!
Registration fee in my Uni is 200€ and the study fees are 1.200€ for EU-citizens and 3.600$ for non-europeans. Not more, not less.

For additional Info on my uni search on www.uoradea.ro (official page!)
International medical students association www.aimso.org
Page of the 4th year general medicine: www.captainjoe.info

Friendly regards,
Jan Vollmer
President AIMSO

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Hi there, I am currently living in england and trying to apply to the Romanian medical school "Carol Davila" University of Medicine and Pharmacy of Bucharest. I am really struggling to get through to the right department and also there is no one who is willing to talk to me about the application. Could you give me some advice on how to go about the application process by directly contacting the university. thank you so much for your help.

Regards
Sam Elmais

shepeer said:

Hi everyone, in response to a generally bias view on the Romanian med school programme for English students, I'd like to inform you that there's 2 sides. I studied in Iasi. qualified in 2004. on a whole i did receive a fair medical foundation however what the Romanian system lacked (and this goes for other EU countries too) is a thorough clinical approach. As expected, medicine is all about being practical. practical training is not introduced as it is in my home country, South Africa. Luckily for me, every vacation away from Romania was spent in SA in a government hospital, learning practical skills. I know that other EU countries also experience this lack of "hands-on" approach as i met many EU visiting students at hospitals in SA doing elective work, much like myself.
Wrt corruption, sure it was there. Highly present in our 1st year. But if you studied and knew your subject, you will pass.
The med course to some extent is very laxed when it comes to foreign students, so it is totally up to you as a student to dedicate a few hours to studying. Good Luck if you're interested in pursuing a medical degree in Romania.
(on a side-note...gotta say..ps: Inna rocks Romania!! )

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