Good careers for those not sure about medicine?

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Hello. I just finished reading a few threads about those who regret going into medicine and a number of people said that they think other careers would have provided more income with less stress and greater freedom. I am wondering what careers they might be talking about?

For someone considering medicine and who has the skills (drive, intelligence,scientific inclination) what opportunities are there instead?

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jrdnbenjamin said:
IB for less stress and more freedom? Compared to what, air traffic control?

LOL..yea, not what I have in mind=>100hr work week with dumb, money-hungry frat boys calling doctors to suggest faulty investments.

I am looking for something like biomedical inventing:creating medical products and tools. But, maybe there are other cool careers? Anyone know any?
 
Yeah sorry about my other post...wasn't thinking through the whole post....I saw more money and click IB was typed in a heartbeat. I don't know very many jobs that consistently have higher earning than docs and work less.

It seems as though you might want to get a Biomedical Engineering Degree. It is a very marketable degree that can land salaries of 50-60k starting out (maybe more in some places). Don't be fooled though, professional engineering is tough too and making deadlines will require you to be pushing the hours.

Although it doesn't meet some of your criteria, I would say teaching might be an alternative, either HS or College. A HS teacher is off 3 months a year and works 8-3 daily. The money isn't the best but you can do alright.
 
Check out Industrial Hygiene.
The money is nowhere near as good as medicine, but it is an incredibly diverse career, where you can apply engineering, biology, physics, and chemistry. A lot of the time, you conduct investigations to determine why a group of workers are suffering from health problems. Most times, you conduct exposure assessments to stay on the preventive side of health care by recommending engineering controls and protective equipment.
A lot of different organizations are using IH's for HAZMAT details. A team from our organization worked on the anthrax issue at the Senate a few years ago.
 
Industrial Hygiene is good.

Along those lines, an MPH will let you do almost anything health-related you can think of. Some will make you tons of money and some won't, but all will satiate your desire to help people in a health-related way. The MPH concentrations are:
Epidemiology
Biostatistics
Community Health and Prevention
Environmental and Occupational Health
some schools have some sort of global health concentration as well.
 
What about dentistry? You make good money, work less hours and see your kids.
 
GreekIsleSunset said:
Hello. I just finished reading a few threads about those who regret going into medicine and a number of people said that they think other careers would have provided more income with less stress and greater freedom. I am wondering what careers they might be talking about?

For someone considering medicine and who has the skills (drive, intelligence,scientific inclination) what opportunities are there instead?

More income, less stress, greater freedom?

Pornstar.

Skills (drive, intelligence, scientific inclination)?

Lab research assistant/associate, scientist (need some type of higher degree such as masters or ph.d), anything biotech, academic research, etc.
 
Get an engineering degree. You can go pretty much anywhere with one.
 
atomi said:
Get an engineering degree. You can go pretty much anywhere with one.


And unless you are a civil engineer your job can get outsourced to china.
 
GreekIsleSunset said:
LOL..yea, not what I have in mind=>100hr work week with dumb, money-hungry frat boys calling doctors to suggest faulty investments.

Just to correct a misperception -- it is actually usually just "brokers" who cold call doctors to suggest investments (faulty or otherwise), not the investment "bankers"...
 
Nurse Practitioner

Not sure about the money, but it's a nice job. They have a certain degree of autonomy, the education isn't as crazy, and it's less stress than being a doctor. They still have to deal with lots of the issues with modern healthcare, though. They can work nice hours. Some specialties like nurse anesthetist can make a lot of money, but like I said I'm not sure how much. Also nurse midwives do pretty well I think, but have crazier hours (since babies don't really get born on schedule). Unfortunately since there's a nursing shortage, most nurses end up being overworked.

It's definitely something to consider, IMO, if you aren't sure of medicine. Most schools have an accelerated BSN program for people who already have a BA or BS (it usually takes around a year or so), and from there to get your MSN is anywhere from 11 months to 2 years. Also nurses are in demand right now, so there are scholarships available for good candidates.
 
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entrepreneurship. who wants to work for someone else.

or pornstar as already suggested.
 
BrettBatchelor said:
Mostly they are in the business sector. Investment Banking comes to mind.

Investment banking: Your job is to be a tool, subject to the demands of whatever client you have. I can't imagine a career where every day you're first and ultimate concern is how much money you can make. It would be unfulfilling after a short while.
 
The truth is that there aren't any real cool careers out there that offers you a good amount of autonomy and free time, more so in the early years of a career. Medicine is a hectic career, but I must tell you that if you can handle stress, it is one of the best careers out there. The pay is ridiculous and doctors are just plain cool. Unless you come up with an invention or patent, engineering is a tough career to break the 100k barrier. One other possible option is to get a phd in public health/epidemiology. This is supposedly one of the hottest careers out right now. The pay is pretty good and the schooling is not as bad, although it still takes about 6 years. Architecture might be another cool job, but once again, it is tough to break the 100k barrier unless you start your own firm, which is pretty hard to do.
 
GreekIsleSunset said:
Hello. I just finished reading a few threads about those who regret going into medicine and a number of people said that they think other careers would have provided more income with less stress and greater freedom. I am wondering what careers they might be talking about?

For someone considering medicine and who has the skills (drive, intelligence,scientific inclination) what opportunities are there instead?

My advice is pick medicine if you love it. I love it. Medicine is my day job. However, there are so many ways to make money that you can keep medicine your day job, and find other ways to make your money work for you. Consider reading the books discussed in this thread:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=194496

The author of this book states that most lawyers, physicians, scientists, and professional graduates struggle financially even though these individuals are in the top 10% of earned income. However, these individuals are also one skill level away from great wealth.

Someone mentioned investment banking above. Imagine what you could do if you learned how to invest your high income from medicine?

My advice to students have always been to enter the field if you love it. Money and everything else will be icing on the cake. However, if you hate what you do, then money becomes a shackle that binds you to the job you despise.
 
Physicians Assistant
Nurse Practioner (as tigress mentioned) a lot of people in my post-bacc classes are going this route. Much shorter education than med school and it doesn't seem that the degree programs are very competitive.
Optometry
PharmD, also popular with a lot of post-baccers in my classes. Less competitive than MD/DO, but not a walk in the park.
Acupuncture
Physical Therapy


...to name a few.
 
I looked up nurse anesthetists online and found a site that said their salary is around $120,000. Not sure where that data comes from though. Personally I think it would be a boring job (and scary; anesthesia scares me), but if you're interested in anesthesiology it's an alternative to look at. Although my husband pointed out that it must be annoying to do basically the same work as an anesthesiologist and get paid a fraction of the salary, while the anesthesiologist goes around "supervising" nurse anesthetists and makes a bunch more. But if you don't care too much about autonomy or making less than other people doing basically the same job, it's something to consider.
 
I looked up nurse anesthetists online and found a site that said their salary is around $120,000. Not sure where that data comes from though. Personally I think it would be a boring job (and scary; anesthesia scares me), but if you're interested in anesthesiology it's an alternative to look at. Although my husband pointed out that it must be annoying to do basically the same work as an anesthesiologist and get paid a fraction of the salary, while the anesthesiologist goes around "supervising" nurse anesthetists and makes a bunch more. But if you don't care too much about autonomy or making less than other people doing basically the same job, it's something to consider.

I nanny for an anesthestist- she said the program was hell- basically she would study til 3am then be at the hospital at 7am. She liked that she didn't have as much liability as the MD and it was more flexible but the time is school is pretty rough- and for the record her MCAT score was really high (everyone in the family is in the medical field- its like the breed them lol) she is super smart but wanted a family.
 
I looked up nurse anesthetists online and found a site that said their salary is around $120,000. Not sure where that data comes from though. Personally I think it would be a boring job (and scary; anesthesia scares me), but if you're interested in anesthesiology it's an alternative to look at. Although my husband pointed out that it must be annoying to do basically the same work as an anesthesiologist and get paid a fraction of the salary, while the anesthesiologist goes around "supervising" nurse anesthetists and makes a bunch more. But if you don't care too much about autonomy or making less than other people doing basically the same job, it's something to consider.
As of 2008, CRNA's (certified registered nurse anesthetists) average $163,467 (which is DOWN from 2007's average of $178,084). They are making BANK. If I had to be a nurse, this would be the only job I'd consider.
 
Yeah I have heard about nurse anesthetists making a lot of money, but honestly, you should do that field only if you are interested in it, not for the money (yeah I know, I sound cliched)...but seriously I heard that competition is really tough for getting in CRNA school and then once in, it is still very tough. You should shadow one just to be sure that is what you want.

Also, I have heard that physician assistants who specialize in something can make six-figure incomes.
 
trash collectors in Germany make bank. seriously. look it up, or go there.
 
CEO of a large automaker company



oh wait
 
As of 2008, CRNA's (certified registered nurse anesthetists) average $163,467 (which is DOWN from 2007's average of $178,084). They are making BANK. If I had to be a nurse, this would be the only job I'd consider.

I predict the balloon to burst. Write it down.
 
Physicians Assistant
Nurse Practioner (as tigress mentioned) a lot of people in my post-bacc classes are going this route. Much shorter education than med school and it doesn't seem that the degree programs are very competitive.
Optometry
PharmD, also popular with a lot of post-baccers in my classes. Less competitive than MD/DO, but not a walk in the park.
Acupuncture
Physical Therapy


...to name a few.

These are all good suggestions...in addition:
Other clinical fields: podiatrist, dentist, chiropractor, nurse practitioner, physician's assistant (not saying these are easy either)
Admin: Health administration, hospital administration, CEO, maybe office manager roles, etc. via an MPH, MBA, or MHA
Academia: Research and teaching in college, in a med school or in a private company (pharm companies, etc) via a PhD
Business: consulting, drug rep, medical sales

The categories aren't mutually exclusive but that should be a start.
 
I predict the balloon to burst. Write it down.
For the $350,000+/yr anesthesiologists perhaps.

I think the jobs for CRNA's and AA's are pretty safe (though the AA's will slowly overtake the CRNA's). They perform the job of a board-certified anesthesiologist, but at the price of a primary care doc.
 
One other suggestion:
Patent attorney (I almost did this)
 
CEO of a large automaker company



oh wait

hahaha :laugh:

+1 to PA. Its a good gig, especially if you have a lot of motivation. There are a lot of ways run with it, and it is fairly easy to change the field you are in if you are not where you want to be.
 
Business - Too much risk. Drop $100k on an MBA and you could end up raking in $150k/year. Or you could end up doing some horrible job and earning $50k/year.

Law - Unless you're T14 material, I wouldn't do it. Law school is $100k+ and the average salary for non-T14 lawyers is $60k.

Investment Banking - What are the chances of getting a high paying investment banking job when there's not a recession? Maybe a couple percent? I would expect i-banks to recruit exclusively at ivy schools. So unless you're ivy, forget it.
 
What do you guys think about accounting? I'm kind of deciding between this and medicine. Sure accounting isn't as lucrative as finance but it has more job safety and you can make six figures if you own your own firm or get promoted to manager in a company. I thought about AA,NP,CNA,and PA but I just don't find them to be as interesting.
 
Hello. I just finished reading a few threads about those who regret going into medicine and a number of people said that they think other careers would have provided more income with less stress and greater freedom. I am wondering what careers they might be talking about?

For someone considering medicine and who has the skills (drive, intelligence,scientific inclination) what opportunities are there instead?

Forget it.

Medicine is not for you simply because you are hesitant whether medicine is for you. It's that simple.

Furthermore, if money plays even a tiny role in your deliberations, that's the biggest red flag of them all. Money SHOULD NOT be on your pro-and-con list, period.
 
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Dentistry and podiatry both work less than doctors and have less education and less stress. They make about the same as a pediatrician (130k to 180k) with better hours. Plus they don't get sued as much as it is mostly paid out of the pocket, making their life much easier.
 
One other suggestion:
Patent attorney (I almost did this)

Since I am going to sound materialistic and have a rep on here for being greedy anyway I might has well just ask you flat out.

Before considering medicine I have considered law. My friends father is an attorney and so are a few of my uncles. Interestingly enough they all went to Rutgers law.

What exactly is patent attorney and what is the average annual income? If I wanted to be a lawyer and my goal was to bring home (after all taxes) around 250-300k yr. what specialty of law should I be looking at? Obviously there are attorneys who make millions but I am just fine with 300 a year. I know I will not make this right out of law school.
 
Hello. I just finished reading a few threads about those who regret going into medicine and a number of people said that they think other careers would have provided more income with less stress and greater freedom. I am wondering what careers they might be talking about?

For someone considering medicine and who has the skills (drive, intelligence,scientific inclination) what opportunities are there instead?

Clinical pharmacy
 
Forget it.

Medicine is not for you simply because you are hesitating whether medicine is for you. It's that simple.

Furthermore, if money plays even a tiny role in your deliberations, that's the biggest red flag of them all. Money SHOULD NOT be on your pro-and-con list, period.

Are you being sarcastic? I honestly cannot tell. :confused:
 
Since I am going to sound materialistic and have a rep on here for being greedy anyway I might has well just ask you flat out.

Before considering medicine I have considered law. My friends father is an attorney and so are a few of my uncles. Interestingly enough they all went to Rutgers law.

What exactly is patent attorney and what is the average annual income? If I wanted to be a lawyer and my goal was to bring home (after all taxes) around 250-300k yr. what specialty of law should I be looking at? Obviously there are attorneys who make millions but I am just fine with 300 a year. I know I will not make this right out of law school.

You're fine with 'just 300 a year'? Cream of the crop T-14 lawyers that work in big law are lucky to pull in $160k their first year. And you want $300k? :laugh:
 
Since I am going to sound materialistic and have a rep on here for being greedy anyway I might has well just ask you flat out.

Before considering medicine I have considered law. My friends father is an attorney and so are a few of my uncles. Interestingly enough they all went to Rutgers law.

What exactly is patent attorney and what is the average annual income? If I wanted to be a lawyer and my goal was to bring home (after all taxes) around 250-300k yr. what specialty of law should I be looking at? Obviously there are attorneys who make millions but I am just fine with 300 a year. I know I will not make this right out of law school.

lol...this guy makes me laugh.
 
You're fine with 'just 300 a year'? Cream of the crop T-14 lawyers that work in big law are lucky to pull in $160k their first year. And you want $300k? :laugh:

I said I do not expect to make 300,000 out of law school. I don't who gets paid what. I do not use salary.com either, how much someone gets paid depends on so many factors.
 
So first of all, I recommend the book "Leaving the Ivory Tower" for anyone interested in non-research or non-medical fields.

A quick comment on the above posts, most of which are absolutely correct, but some miss the big picture:

IBanking: This will be a no-growth industry for the next half decade. It was a VERY attractive field to physicians who don't like patients but like the process of scientific discovery and exploration, because almost all the big investment banks have medical device and bio/pharma divisions which valuate companies in those fields. The pay is equivalent to a medical specialty, and the hours can definitely vary, but as one advances and solidifies their position there is the opportunity to still make the large salery while working very normal hours (with no call!)

Consulting: In my exploration here, I have found many PCPs who have LEFT medicine and have gone INTO life science consulting because the pay is equivalent to your average FP/IM physician, and the hours are equivalent as well. SO WHY GO HERE? Easy, you are often "treated better", and there is the possibility for promotion/advancement, which is almost absent in medicine.

Medical Physicist: I don't know much on this, other than it can be a sweet job if you are very good at physics and applying it to medical situations. Pay is low 6 figures, hours are 40-50ish, and you really can do what you love (if you love physics!)

Patent Lawyer: I would argue that a life science patent lawyer is a very well compensated posistion. It is also incredibly boring. I think my worst day as a PCP would compare to the best day here, but that is just me (and why I am chosing this path). If you can stomach the boredom, you can find that this is the one area of law where you may not need that T14 degree (although it helps immensely) but if you bring an advanced science degree plus your JD, you have something to offer. I really think this market is starting to get flooded, and salaries are going to drop. (i.e. enough people have been saying for long enough "GO HERE!" that people have finally listened).

General MBA in life science company: avoid like the plague. There is no job security in this market, so unless you like uprooting your family ON A WHIM of an exec board, that or unemployment, this field is not for you. The money is drying out in biotech/pharma, and there is a flood of people into it because, as bad as it is, IT IS ONE OF THE LAST DESIRABLE INDUSTRIES LEFT IN THIS COUNTRY! I would also argue how much better the hours are for someone at one of these companies, because they work 50 to 60 hours a week, and then road time just murders you!

OK, comments welcome, hope I can give a bit of guidance after all the guidance SDN has given me!
 
Dentistry and podiatry both work less than doctors and have less education and less stress. They make about the same as a pediatrician (130k to 180k) with better hours. Plus they don't get sued as much as it is mostly paid out of the pocket, making their life much easier.

Typical MD/DO education:

4 years undergrad, 4 years med school, 3 year residency.

Typical DPM (Podiatry) education:

4 years undergrad, 4 years pod school, 2 or (usually) 3 year residency.

I don't really see where you got less educated from.
 
www.salary.com says a Philadelphian patent attorney at level 1 will make a 50th percentile of about 75k. Keep looking.

I looked up a patent attorney IV in Austin Texas and came up with $142K-$188K base pay plus benefits and bonuses depending on performance. They don't train nearly as long as physicians and don't go nearly as far into debt. They aren't dependent on some insurance company that is trying to squeeze them to see clients for $25/visit.

Do you know many patent attorneys? The ones I have run into that are even remotely as capable as the med students around me are making more like $175K in their late 20s/early 30s. My wife's cousin is a patent atty in DC and she is making serious bank. The people comparable to the $75K per year might be working for a governmental organization or would be teaching 7th grade biology if they had been pre-meds. Patent attys work some serious hours as well to make partner. Sure, there are plenty who are struggling to break $100K, but they aren't anywhere close the level of the people I see in medicine. I'm not sure that law school is nearly as selective as medicine, but good luck passing the bar exam: "Nationwide, some 28,110 people failed the test in 2004, for a 64 percent pass rate. By comparison, 65 percent passed in 2000 and 70 percent passed in 1995."

There are many good reasons to go into medicine and pay can be very high depending on your specialty, skill level, business acumen and place of practice. Even so, there are a lot of physicians who wish they could get out of the field (particularly primary care physicians) and some are leaving and doing things like medical software, research, etc.

As many people have said above, you can't just do whatever and expect to be successful. There needs to be some kind of talent and interest in what you are choosing for a career. There are plenty of medical students who picked the right field and are going to do well ... and if they would have chosen law would be eaten alive because it's a different skill set in some important ways (like salesmanship and verbal ability, for example). In in a field like law you need to be able to sell yourself pretty well, and doing sales isn't exactly on a typical medical student's dream job task list.
 
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