DO vs PDM?

What exactly do you want in your career? Lifestyle? Patient contact time? Money? Prestige?

Can you handle feet? I can't bloody stand feet. Hence every DPM recruitment letter I've gotten has been shredded in no more than ten seconds flat.

A good friend of mine is a podiatry student, great guy, incredibly smart. That field just isn't for me. I think it comes down to what type of medicine you want to practice. DO and DPM are vastly different. Same reason why there aren't any MD vs DPM threads.

I am in the boat as the OP. I really like podiatry and D.O. I really am only interested in orthopedics.. As a podiatrist though, I can do derm, neuro, bones, etc. I am also shadowing a D.O. and a DPM (3 actually). I really like both of them, but I feel as though I am leaning more towards DPM. As a D.O. I would do residency then want a fellowship for foot ankle. As a DPM I would already be specialized when I'm done with residency. The only downside is I wont get to play with other broken bones and what-not... Would like to hear others on this topic. I know there are other differences also, but I am only looking at the things that I care about most.

I'm going to be a bit crass, but this is a question of whether you want to pursue overall foot wellness or overall body wellness. Do you want to work with feet or the human body? This isn't a DO/DPM issue, its the issue I have mentioned.

To add to the last post, yeah in the end a MD/DO is all about MEDICINE and treating the HUMAN BODY, while this involves more diagnoses/treatments and the job is probably more complex and varied...HOWEVER, DPM is all about the PODIATRY and the FOOT...and its less diseases I would guess and less varied since it's just the foot...podiatry is just not my cup of tea, but that's my 2 cents

I think chiropractic medicine or naturopathic medicine is kinda crazy too, seriously does everyone want to be a doctor just for the degree/prestige????????? that's why nowadays pharmacists, physical therapists and more professions give out the "DR" degree in order to attract students that want the "Initials" because in the end they do add a lot to your name...

Bacchus said:

I'm going to be a bit crass, but this is a question of whether you want to pursue overall foot wellness or overall body wellness. Do you want to work with feet or the human body? This isn't a DO/DPM issue, its the issue I have mentioned.

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right. apparently the foot is not part of the body.

what about the orthopod who chose a FA fellowship? Get over the fact that it is "the foot"

Please tell me what is so exciting about being a urologist and hanging out with 60 year old prostates all day long?

There are many reasons to choose DO or MD over DPM and vice versa. Shadow, do research and make an informed decision on your own.

right. apparently the foot is not part of the body.

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Well, of course it is. The foot is as much a part of the body as any other part. Even if there was an error in the statement, the essence of what he was suggesting was not in error, which is by pursuing medicine instead of podiatry, you have more options, instead of limiting yourself to one part. For example, you could do urology and be specialized toward one area of the body, or you could do IM and be a general internist, etc. The fact is, if you choose podiatry, you will be substantially more boxed in toward a specific area or focus, which is fine if that's what you actually want to do, but not so much otherwise, in my humble opinion. This is not to say that all podiatrist just do one thing (obviously not), but come on, let's be realistic, you aren't going to get podiatrists that have a scope of practice as broad and general as FM or IM, or are specialized to practice endocrinology or ENT. You are substantially more limited as a podiatrist. There's nothing wrong with that at all, if you want to be focused in such a manner.

air bud said:

what about the orthopod who chose a FA fellowship? Get over the fact that it is "the foot"

Please tell me what is so exciting about being a urologist and hanging out with 60 year old prostates all day long?

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I roll my eyes, too, when I hear the commonly cited fallacies, but I think the main message is to understand both types of professions and choose the one that fits best. I don't think there's more than that.

There are many reasons to choose DO or MD over DPM and vice versa. Shadow, do research and make an informed decision on your own.

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Precisely.

spicedmanna said:

Well, of course it is. The foot is as much a part of the body as any other part. Even if there was an error in the statement, the essence of what he was suggesting was not in error, which is by pursuing medicine instead of podiatry, you have more options, instead of limiting yourself to one part. For example, you could do urology and be specialized toward one area of the body, or you could do IM and be a general internist, etc. The fact is, if you choose podiatry, you will be substantially more boxed in toward a specific area or focus, which is fine if that's what you actually want to do, but not so much otherwise, in my humble opinion. This is not to say that all podiatrist just do one thing (obviously not), but come on, let's be realistic, you aren't going to get podiatrists that have a scope of practice as broad and general as FM or IM, or are specialized to practice endocrinology or ENT. You are substantially more limited as a podiatrist. There's nothing wrong with that at all, if you want to be focused in such a manner.



I roll my eyes, too, when I hear the commonly cited fallacies, but I think the main message is to understand both types of professions and choose the one that fits best. I don't think there's more than that.



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I agree with everything you said. But we will all be "boxed in" eventually. DPM just gets boxed in earlier. Yes, this can cause some people to be unhappy with their choice later on. But I would be willing to guess that a good percentage of them would find unhappiness in any specialty.
The whole scope of practice thing is overblown often. Tell me next time you see a urologist or even an IM called into a head trauma case.
Also, podiatry is not medicine? DPM's perform surgery and prescibe drugs, on top of "clipping nails and shaving callouses."

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I agree with everything you said. But we will all be "boxed in" eventually. DPM just gets boxed in earlier. Yes, this can cause some people to be unhappy with their choice later on. But I would be willing to guess that a good percentage of them would find unhappiness in any specialty.
The whole scope of practice thing is overblown often. Tell me next time you see a urologist or even an IM called into a head trauma case.
Also, podiatry is not medicine? DPM's perform surgery and prescibe drugs, on top of "clipping nails and shaving callouses."

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Well put.

When asking this original question, did it occur to you that you're asking a bunch of pre-meds, most of whom have never even considered podiatry, much less know anything about it.

TexasTriathlete said:

When asking this original question, did it occur to you that you're asking a bunch of pre-meds, most of whom have never even considered podiatry, much less know anything about it.

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Thank you.

air bud said:

I agree with everything you said. But we will all be "boxed in" eventually. DPM just gets boxed in earlier. Yes, this can cause some people to be unhappy with their choice later on. But I would be willing to guess that a good percentage of them would find unhappiness in any specialty.
The whole scope of practice thing is overblown often. Tell me next time you see a urologist or even an IM called into a head trauma case.
Also, podiatry is not medicine? DPM's perform surgery and prescibe drugs, on top of "clipping nails and shaving callouses."

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I have no beef with podiatrists and I'm not arguing anything to do with which is better, or whatever. I'm just saying that if you don't want to commit to the scope that defines podiatry, don't go to podiatry school. Is that not reasonable? It's as simple as that. Your scope is laid out for you as soon as you attend podiatry school, while if you attend medical school you have a much broader selection. You can choose from a wide variety of specialties as a medical student, but I don't believe that is the case with podiatry students. If you aren't interested in podiatric medicine, why on Earth would you want to go to podiatry school? Doesn't make sense to me. Of course, eventually everyone gets more specialized, but that's not the point at all.

I want you to know that it is obvious to me that DPM's do more than "clipping nails and shaving callouses." I don't see podiatrists as anything other than colleagues. There's no reason to defend podiatry, especially not to me.

agreed, didnt mean for it to come across as attacking you.

I think the OP should like more into this "PDM" thing too. It might make DO an easier choice

Thank you for enlightening us, Moses.

whiskers said:

Being a Dr isn't like it is on TV.

People aren't going to admire you or give two craps about you unless they have a problem.

It is a middle class lifestyle as either a DPM or DO.

I don't know of any DPM or DO training institutions that are academic meccas. They typically are unheard of places where tuition is really outrageous and I think a poor value in this economy and with this president.

As far as training, how many DO hospitals are level 3 trauma centers? I mean the ortho teams are probably hoarding all the ankle cases out of necessity! How much REAL trauma is seen at those hospitals vs elective procedures?

It's an MD's world and the MDs accept DPMs as much as DOs. I've never had a problem with an MD.... ANd I've rarely met a DO.

As I said, it's a middle class job either way.

Those grandmas will treat you like you work at burger king and you will say yes maam if you work for a hospital or else they will be replacing you,,,, the big Dr.

Sorry for the reality of the situation.

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Sometimes I read things on SDN and think 'damn, this is the dumbest, least coherent piece of crap I have ever read,' and then a few days later, I read something like this ... and realize it was NOT the most pathetic thing I have ever read.

Seriously, just ignore everything in this post ... it's absurd on too many levels.

DPM vs DO (I'm a pre-med):

DPM:
-it's entering med school with your specialty picked out
-money can be nice in private practice (I personally know a POD who does surgery all day and does VERY well)
-shorter than med school, less debt, etc - and in the socialist reign of Obama, hitching a ride on the 'we want a piece of the medical pie without going to med school' train might not be a bad idea. I'm not saying pods aren't well trained, and qualified to practice in their own scope, it's just that finding a nitche like this with what is on the horizon might be smarter in the long run than getting 200k in debt with potential for a government salary of 100k.
-Can you work with feet all day???
(these next ones are my personal observations)
-The admission standards for POD schools are pathetic. I'm sorry POD students/pre-POD students ... I recently read a thread where someone with a 16 MCAT (total) was being told to 'go for it' or 'try to pull it up to a 19/20'
-Almost all pods I've interacted with (which have surprisingly been quite a few) have a huge complex. They want to be thought of as doctors, plain and simple. The Pod I know was talking to me about 'med school' recently and when he was in 'med school' and in the middle of the conversation I had to stop him and ask 'wait, podiatry school?' just for my own clarification. I'm not commenting on the difficulty or what pods vs MD/DO learn, I'm just saying ... it's POD school. He also offered to do a physical on a neighbor who needed clearance for a boy scout camping trip (despite the form saying only MD, DO, and certain nurses could sign off).

DO:
-Full rights, you're a doctor ... period.
-Can change mind about how you what you want to practice while in med school.
-Higher earning potential in specialties. I'd say the best paying PODS probably make 250k, and these are the ones who did the 2 year (or whatever) surgery residency thing, post pod school (meaning they do have opportunity costs associated with it) and as of now ... there are mannnny higher paying fields for DOs out there.
-With that above point said ... there are way more costs involved ... higher/harder admission standards, longer training, more debt, and MUCH bigger fear of the potential sh'it fest on the horizion.
-etc ... if you really need to know pros/cons of going to med (specifically osteopathic med school) just search


I apologize for all/any who were offended by this thread. Note, I don't want to argue with POD people ... I don't care if you dispute my points, or they were off. Feel free to correct them, but I'm not going to argue with you about anything.

whiskers said:

Being a Dr isn't like it is on TV.

People aren't going to admire you or give two craps about you unless they have a problem.

It is a middle class lifestyle as either a DPM or DO.

I don't know of any DPM or DO training institutions that are academic meccas. They typically are unheard of places where tuition is really outrageous and I think a poor value in this economy and with this president.

As far as training, how many DO hospitals are level 3 trauma centers? I mean the ortho teams are probably hoarding all the ankle cases out of necessity! How much REAL trauma is seen at those hospitals vs elective procedures?

It's an MD's world and the MDs accept DPMs as much as DOs. I've never had a problem with an MD.... ANd I've rarely met a DO.

As I said, it's a middle class job either way.

Those grandmas will treat you like you work at burger king and you will say yes maam if you work for a hospital or else they will be replacing you,,,, the big Dr.

Sorry for the reality of the situation.

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There is a lot of truth in what whiskers says. You may not like it and he may not package it the best way, but a lot can be learned from what he posts.

Look up some of his posts and go talk to a doc who has been practicing medicine for 30 or so years. Ask them how things have changed, and I would be willing to bet 2/3 would tell you to give some real thought to whether or not you want to go into medicine. They have seen a lot of changes and know that a lot more are coming.
More on topic, DPM's are usually private practice and can have a lot more say in how things run. MD/DO have a greater chance of working at a hospital or large practice, and the doctor is not the boss. Administration is the boss.

I wouldn't be putting down any DPM's.... especially if you've EVER needed foot surgery. Feet are really kinda important, and really quite specialized. I'm not saying DPM's are better or worse than anyone else -- but they're really really important. I rather like walking without pain thank you very much.

As for egos: they abound in every branch of medicine. you'll find PAs who say they learn "exactly the same stuff you do - but we learn it in a shorter time frame", you'll find all sorts of physician specialties who will be happy to tell you why they're better than all the other specialties.

whiskers said:

Being a Dr isn't like it is on TV.

People aren't going to admire you or give two craps about you unless they have a problem.

It is a middle class lifestyle as either a DPM or DO.

I don't know of any DPM or DO training institutions that are academic meccas. They typically are unheard of places where tuition is really outrageous and I think a poor value in this economy and with this president.

As far as training, how many DO hospitals are level 3 trauma centers? I mean the ortho teams are probably hoarding all the ankle cases out of necessity! How much REAL trauma is seen at those hospitals vs elective procedures?

It's an MD's world and the MDs accept DPMs as much as DOs. I've never had a problem with an MD.... ANd I've rarely met a DO.

As I said, it's a middle class job either way.

Those grandmas will treat you like you work at burger king and you will say yes maam if you work for a hospital or else they will be replacing you,,,, the big Dr.

Sorry for the reality of the situation.

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You've just crushed all my hopes and dreams. I wish you posted this before I moved up to med school. :cry:

**** I guess now I gotta go prostitute myself to pay for my apartment.

Any takers?

whiskers said:

As far as training, how many DO hospitals are level 3 trauma centers?

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Actually, level *1* trauma centers are the ones with the highest level of care. I should know, I'm at one.

The ACS designation of trauma centers is voluntary and not every hospital participates in the designation. For example, if you look the ACS list of trauma centers, you won't find one hospital in NYS in that list. Is that because there are no trauma centers in NY? Think again.

As for "osteopathic" level 1 trauma centers, I'm a little confused. Do you mean med school rotations or for residency? Med school hospital rotations vary from school, of course. There are few DO schools that "own" their hospitals, but many schools rotate their students at affiliated hospitals.

When I was at Western, I rotated at a level II trauma center - Arrowhead Regional, which was level II only because it lacked the research component for neurosurgery. When I did my EM rotations in 4th year, I rotated at 2 Level I trauma centers - USC/LAC and UC-Irvine.

I know that St. Luke's in Bethlehem DO EM program is based at a Level I, UMDNJ SOM students rotate through their Level 1 trauma center , Lehigh Valley in PA has a Level 1 trauma center. Geisinger and Albert Einstein in PA are Level 1 as well.

These are just a few I knew off the top of my head.

Rotating at a level 1 trauma during residency is of course, residency dependent. I'm a DO, but at an allo residency with a Level 1 trauma center. DO's can apply to allo residencies, so there's plenty of opportunity to do your residency at one.

I think you should stick to what you know, and avoid what you don't.

I am a DPM and my wife is a DO. Can I address any specific questions for you?

Nat

I thought the level 3 trauma center question was a weird thing to ask. Until I realized that it was just another SDN pre-med talking out his ass. What the hell is wrong with people?

NatCh said:

I am a DPM and my wife is a DO. Can I address any specific questions for you?

Nat

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Does she think her schooling was far more superior than yours?

boothorp said:

Does she think her schooling was far more superior than yours?

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We actually went to the same school and met in class, so at least the didactic education was similar. If I recall correctly, her coursework included OB/GYN, psychiatry, and OMM whereas mine included lower extremity anatomy and podiatric medicine and surgery instead.

Of course, once we started the clinical portion of school she did more general medical training and I did podiatric training.

air bud said:

There is a lot of truth in what whiskers says. You may not like it and he may not package it the best way, but a lot can be learned from what he posts.

Look up some of his posts and go talk to a doc who has been practicing medicine for 30 or so years. Ask them how things have changed, and I would be willing to bet 2/3 would tell you to give some real thought to whether or not you want to go into medicine. They have seen a lot of changes and know that a lot more are coming.
More on topic, DPM's are usually private practice and can have a lot more say in how things run. MD/DO have a greater chance of working at a hospital or large practice, and the doctor is not the boss. Administration is the boss.

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Well, I understand what you are saying and I think most people would acknowledge that the medical scene isn't at all as glorious as it was way back when. Indeed, it is clear that the system is all but failing and many are feeling the consequences.

That being said, I confess that I am confused how this thread waxed in the direction that it did. Perhaps what you are suggesting is true. I don't know and it doesn't matter much to me. In fact, I don't know much about job prospects or experiences of DPM's versus MD/DO's, but I am pretty confident that neither branch is hurting for business or comfort; both seem like they would make a cozy living. To me, it just seems weird to choose a career based on this sort of thing. It seems much more logical to choose your profession based on what you want to do, what you are interested in, since both professions in consideration are rather fruitful. Let's put it this way: I have no interest in podiatry at all, but lots of interest in being an internal medicine physician. Knowing that, why would I choose podiatry, even if your suggestions about job experience turn out to be true? I am not interested in podiatry. I don't care if the prospects are better. You see what I mean? Maybe there is something I am missing?

By the way, the hospital where I am doing my clinical rotations is a Level 2 trauma center, which is a higher rating than Level 3. I have no idea why the poster brought up trauma center level.

boothorp said:

Does she think her schooling was far more superior than yours?

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I am hoping nobody is going to turn this into a "one profession is more superior than the other" type of thread, because those types of threads are silly and end up going nowhere, except closed.

"far more superior than yours?"

I'm hardly a grammar nazi, but at a certain point, you just have to sit back and marvel at the sheer number of ******ed people who intend to practice medicine some day, and say "what the ****?"

TexasTriathlete said:

"far more superior than yours?"

I'm hardly a grammar nazi, but at a certain point, you just have to sit back and marvel at the sheer number of ******ed people who intend to practice medicine some day, and say "what the ****?"

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It was intended to be funny... Thanks for calling me a ****** though. It must be nice to be perfect.

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It was intended to be funny...

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I see. My mistake.

Let me know if anyone has a legitimate question.

It was a legitimate question, but I thought it would be kind of funny... You hear people saying that Pod school is not close to medical school. I am interested in Pod and DO. I would like to know more about Pod. When I was shadowing a DO ortho FA specialist, he quickly ruled out Pod as being anywhere close to his schooling. He was very against it and joked that they aren't even doctors. I guess my question do you get that a lot?

tkim said:

...I'm a DO, but at an allo residency with a Level 1 trauma center....

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It must be raining DOs there. There are a couple of my upperclassmen in your program now...hahaha!!!

scpod said:

It must be raining DOs there. There are a couple of my upperclassmen in your program now...hahaha!!!

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I know Josh. Are there more in the new intern class?

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It was a legitimate question, but I thought it would be kind of funny... You hear people saying that Pod school is not close to medical school. I am interested in Pod and DO. I would like to know more about Pod... When I was shadowing a DO ortho FA specialist, he quickly ruled out Pod as being anywhere close to his schooling. He was very against it and joked that they aren't even doctors... I guess my question do you get that a lot?

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Honestly, I do hear it from time to time. I don't hear it a lot a lot, but I do on occasion. If you go into Podiatry be prepared to face some prejudice once in awhile. I'm completely happy with my line of work, both emotionally and financially, so disparaging comments just don't affect me.

Podiatrists start focusing on the foot and ankle almost immediately. Orthopedic surgeons get exposure to foot and ankle surgery during Residency but don't really focus on it unless they do a F&A Fellowship.

Orthopedic surgeons do have more years of training total (5 years of Residency plus any Fellowship) but not all of those years are spent on the foot and ankle. Podiatrists pretty much live and breathe foot and ankle from the first day of school. I have met good and bad physicians in both professions.

The other thing to consider is that Podiatry involves more than surgery. It involves lots of non-surgical treatments and also addresses non-orthopedic issues. Surgery is only one aspect of the profession, but it gets the most press for whatever reason. For instance, if you had a plantar wart, ingrown nail, or athlete's foot would an Orthopedic Surgeon be your first choice of people to see? Perhaps, but probably not.

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I know Josh. Are there more in the new intern class?

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Yes. Joe just started.

boothorp said:

It was intended to be funny... Thanks for calling me a ****** though. It must be nice to be perfect.

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It has its moments

boothorp said:

It was a legitimate question, but I thought it would be kind of funny... You hear people saying that Pod school is not close to medical school. I am interested in Pod and DO. I would like to know more about Pod. When I was shadowing a DO ortho FA specialist, he quickly ruled out Pod as being anywhere close to his schooling. He was very against it and joked that they aren't even doctors. I guess my question do you get that a lot?

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You'll run into those types of personalities every once in a while. Keep in mind that FA orthopedic fellowships go unfilled every year and this is a fact backed up by their own association. The general outlook isn't necessarily the same as that individual's opinions, however. Believe it or not, Pods and Ortho work well together - in fact, many graduates from podiatric residencies elect to work in orthopedic group practices. Not only that, but some of the traditionally orthopedic foot and ankle fellowships have become more "pod friendly" in recent years and allow pods to complete such fellowships (more added training and exposure to the MD ortho world). For example, UPMC's foot and ankle fellowship. As a podiatry resident, I receive invitations to attend AOFAS (American Orthopedic Foot and Ankle Society) conferences with no issues. I currently train at a program where my residency program director is part of a large orthopedic practice and residency program. Ortho residents scrub in his cases from time to time and he does a fair amount of education in foot and ankle trauma - and yes, he is a DPM.

Alot of the misinformation is getting passed around and alot of myths that hold no validity in the real-world are translated into "dogma" with no scientific evidence. This really stems from the "fear of the unknown". DPM's have come along way as far as training and education - and contrary to what some may believe, we've earned alot of respect within the medical community because we contribute a fair amount of sound patient care and practice good medicine. We are in the business of limb salvage, and foot/ankle surgery. Many of our patients have complicated co-morbidities (vascular issues, diabetic, obese, etc.) so we work with different specialists on a daily basis - sometimes when we push our egos aside, we can think clear and practice good medicine for the overall benefit of the patient in a team approach. My experience has been exactly that and I couldn't be more privileged to be a part of this team. Just my 2 cents on that debate.

Back to the OP's initial inquiry - it really comes down to what you want to do. Podiatry is great - with the right attitude, work ethic, and effort you can get great training and help alot of people with your training. However, if this specialty or area of medicine does not interest you - there is no turning back because you specialize from the get go. On the other hand, DO/MD programs offer more options and specialties - so you need to do some shadowing and "soul searching" for that decision. At the end of the day with either one of these options, you will get the chance to provide patients a very noble service - and this is what makes healthcare so unique and rewarding.

GL

PMS .... I'm not trying to be insulting whatsoever, but is the term 'resident physician' in podiatry surgery misleading?? I assumed the term physician should be reserved for MD/DO??

JaggerPlate said:

PMS .... I'm not trying to be insulting whatsoever, but is the term 'resident physician' in podiatry surgery misleading?? I assumed the term physician should be reserved for MD/DO??

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No offence taken - This is the exact designation given to me by my hospital and state (Ohio). I'm a resident physician in podiatric surgery.

As a resident physician, I participate in off-service rotations like Vascular surgery, Plastic surgery, Gen surgery, Infectious disease, Internal medicine, and others where I am that service's physician. I round on their patients, write orders, sign charts, and write Rxs. This is why the designation is appropriate for my training as per the hospital and state regulations. FYI this is also common outside of Ohio but I can't speak of every state of course.

When I finish my training, I can use the designation podiatric physician. That's why I make it clear to state "podiatric surgery" - my specialty/field. Hope that clarifies your inquiry.

PMSIII said:

Hope that clarifies your inquiry.

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It does. Thank you.

JaggerPlate said:

-Almost all pods I've interacted with (which have surprisingly been quite a few) have a huge complex. They want to be thought of as doctors, plain and simple. The Pod I know was talking to me about 'med school' recently and when he was in 'med school' and in the middle of the conversation I had to stop him and ask 'wait, podiatry school?' just for my own clarification. I'm not commenting on the difficulty or what pods vs MD/DO learn, I'm just saying ... it's POD school. He also offered to do a physical on a neighbor who needed clearance for a boy scout camping trip (despite the form saying only MD, DO, and certain nurses could sign off).

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It is still "medical school", you are receiving medical training, are you not?

All of the caring doctors at xxxx xxxxx xxxx are board certified by the American Board of Podiatric Surgery.

To become board certified in his/her specialty, a physician must spend several years after medical school receiving supervised in-practice training.

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Above is a quote from the website for some of the doctors I do work for. They are physicians. And yes, they did attend a form of medical school, you may want to look into the academic curriculum for podiatry school, you will be quite surprised.

You are acting as if to not "offend anyone", yet at the same time you seem to be putting pods down. Maybe I'm reading into your post too much, if I am, sorry.

romeo...You are thinking into it too much...its podiatry school. Do other health professionals say they are going to medical school? probably not...

FutureDocWRX said:

romeo...You are thinking into it too much...its podiatry school. Do other health professionals say they are going to medical school? probably not...

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No they don't. I went to PA school, nursing school, phlebotomy school, pharmacy school, physical therapy school, etc.

Bacchus said:

No they don't. I went to PA school, nursing school, phlebotomy school, pharmacy school, physical therapy school, etc.

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Wow, you've been pretty busy

hopefuldoc87 said:

Wow, you've been pretty busy

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I try. Haha, but this is how most people say it. My PharmD friends don't call it medical school; my nursing friends don't either. And this girl going to PCO doesn't call it medical school either.