Post New 2010 Match Lists!!

Law2Doc said:

cool it with the uninformed editorializing

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okay, Dad.

Law2Doc said:

Again, you don't know how these programs rank in each field, which ones are good versus malignant, and more importantly, what people actually wanted (as opposed to what they got). None of these lists are impressive or not, without knowing the individuals in the class and a lot more about the program hierarchy in every specialty than any premed could know. As a premed you cannot read these lists usefully.

So guys continue listing the match lists on here, but cool it with the uninformed editorializing like the above. That's what I'm trying to counter here -- to get premeds to understand that a list with lots of big names/specialties can often be a horrible list if (1) the places are malignant, (2) the programs happen to be bad in those particular specialties, or (3) the places were not what the person actually wanted. All you see is a lot of big names/specialties, which to you may seem impressive, but to the actual applicants, match day might not be so rosy. You just can't know, from your vantage point. You'll get my point in a few years.

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Well, I find it impressive. I will editorialize it however I like. YALE HAS AN IMPRESSIVE MATCH LIST! Whether you think a match list matters is irrelevant to me.

FYI, many of the students at top research institutions like Yale, HMS, Penn, Duke, Stanford, etc want to pursue competitive specialities at top programs. A match list lets you see if your predecessors have accomplished this to a certain extent. I highly doubt many people in this program desire family medicine in Nebraska (as you mentioned earlier) and, if they did, they probably wouldn't have gone to one of these research focused schools in the first place.

Looking at the Yale list, for example, at least 80% of those matches are at top residency programs. And NO, I'm not going only by "name." For example, UMiami has one of the top Ophtho programs in the country, and I consider that to be a top program even though it doesn't have the name behind it.

Law2Doc said:

Again, you don't know how these programs rank in each field, which ones are good versus malignant, and more importantly, what people actually wanted (as opposed to what they got). None of these lists are impressive or not, without knowing the individuals in the class and a lot more about the program hierarchy in every specialty than any premed could know. As a premed you cannot read these lists usefully.

So guys continue listing the match lists on here, but cool it with the uninformed editorializing like the above. That's what I'm trying to counter here -- to get premeds to understand that a list with lots of big names/specialties can often be a horrible list if (1) the places are malignant, (2) the programs happen to be bad in those particular specialties, or (3) the places were not what the person actually wanted. All you see is a lot of big names/specialties, which to you may seem impressive, but to the actual applicants, match day might not be so rosy. You just can't know, from your vantage point. You'll get my point in a few years.

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Can you tell me some specialities at HMS affiliated hospitals that are "bad"? Also, some people desire "malignant" residencies because they enjoy being immersed in medicine to the maximum possible extent. I guess that's why people do IM at Hopkins or Gen Surg at Duke even though they're both known for being rough on residents.

To say you can get nothing out of a match list is a false statement. You can get a general picture of a class and what the school emphasizes. What you can't get is how great each individual person's match is. Fortunately, no one here ever argued that you could... except you.

ApoK said:

Can you tell me some specialities at HMS affiliated hospitals that are "bad"? Also, some people desire "malignant" residencies because they enjoy being immersed in medicine to the maximum possible extent. I guess that's why people do IM at Hopkins or Gen Surg at Duke even though they're both known for being rough on residents.

To say you can get nothing out of a match list is a false statement. You can get a general picture of a class and what the school emphasizes. What you can't get is how great each individual person's match is. Fortunately, no one here ever argued that you could... except you.

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EVERY hospital is good in some things, not good in others. I won't list specifics (because there are legal ramifications to calling out a specific program on a public board), but the answer is yes, there are specialties at top programs that you wouldn't put high you your list. You will find that the ranking of programs within each specialty does not jibe with the US News notion of what schools are best. The place with the best IM program may be pretty mediocre in OB, may be malignant in surgery, and so on. Your notion that this is affiliated with X school so it must be good is simply wrong. You will learn that later.

And no, people don't desire malignant programs. We aren't talking about being "immersed in medicine to the maximum possible extent", or simply being "rough on residents". We are talking about truly abusive situations. They are out there, and even at some very good places. People tend to avoid those. Residency is 3-7 years, with limited vacations and few weekends. If you are in a bad spot, it's not really something you want to suffer through. And as a premed, you don't know which they are. Even as a resident, you generally only know a few of the more notorious ones outside of your own specialty.

No, you cannot get an idea of what the school emphasizes. The individuals dictate what they are going into and where they are applying. In a given year, there may be a lot of interest in X, while in another year there is less interest in X and more in Y. This doesn't mean the program emphasizes it, it may simply mean that the folks they picked on admissions already had that leaning. It may mean that lots of folks that year had family situations that impacted the fields they chose. You are reading things into these lists that simply have no basis. You can't take something like this out of context and pretend you know the context. A school doesn't "emphasize things". It may have attendings who are more inspiring in some fields. But that cuts two ways, because you don't know if someone is going into a field because attendings are good or not going into fields because attendings are not good, or if people are simply going into things because that's always what they wanted, or because they have family influences, outside role models, or whatever.

And yes, it is important in determining whether a match list is good to know what people wanted, something you cannot know. If the typical class member ends up at an objectively very good place, you still won't know if he applied to tons of places in a different specialty, got no love, as well as this specialty, and maybe this was his 10th choice out of the 10 interviews he got. He may be bumming on match day. But you as an undergrad are saying, boy what a great match. Now, let's say half the class found themselves in that situation. The match list still looks great to you, but match day is a much more somber time, with lots of feigned smiles, followed by lots of folks posting on the general residency board asking how they void their match.

So as a premed, you really can't look at a list of names, without knowing what places are good versus malignant in each field (and again it is a very different hierarchy of best to worst in each field), and without knowing what folks actually wanted, and proclaim it a "really impressive list. no matter how you look at it". You just can't. you might be right, but you might also be far from right. As a premed you don't know. You can't know. And that's my point of why these lists don't help you. This is probably something you won't get for a few years. I know I foolishly looked at the lists when I was premed. But now having been through the match, I can tell you that what you see isn't what you think.

Law2Doc said:

EVERY hospital is good in some things, not good in others. I won't list specifics (because there are legal ramifications to calling out a specific program on a public board), but the answer is yes, there are specialties at top programs that you wouldn't put high you your list. You will find that the ranking of programs within each specialty does not jibe with the US News notion of what schools are best. The place with the best IM program may be pretty mediocre in OB, may be malignant in surgery, and so on. Your notion that this is affiliated with X school so it must be good is simply wrong. You will learn that later.

And no, people don't desire malignant programs. We aren't talking about being "immersed in medicine to the maximum possible extent", or simply being "rough on residents". We are talking about truly abusive situations. They are out there, and even at some very good places. People tend to avoid those. Residency is 3-7 years, with limited vacations and few weekends. If you are in a bad spot, it's not really something you want to suffer through. And as a premed, you don't know which they are. Even as a resident, you generally only know a few of the more notorious ones outside of your own specialty.

No, you cannot get an idea of what the school emphasizes. The individuals dictate what they are going into and where they are applying. In a given year, there may be a lot of interest in X, while in another year there is less interest in X and more in Y. This doesn't mean the program emphasizes it, it may simply mean that the folks they picked on admissions already had that leaning. It may mean that lots of folks that year had family situations that impacted the fields they chose. You are reading things into these lists that simply have no basis. You can't take something like this out of context and pretend you know the context. A school doesn't "emphasize things". It may have attendings who are more inspiring in some fields. But that cuts two ways, because you don't know if someone is going into a field because attendings are good or not going into fields because attendings are not good, or if people are simply going into things because that's always what they wanted, or because they have family influences, outside role models, or whatever.

And yes, it is important in determining whether a match list is good to know what people wanted, something you cannot know. If the typical class member ends up at an objectively very good place, you still won't know if he applied to tons of places in a different specialty, got no love, as well as this specialty, and maybe this was his 10th choice out of the 10 interviews he got. He may be bumming on match day. But you as an undergrad are saying, boy what a great match. Now, let's say half the class found themselves in that situation. The match list still looks great to you, but match day is a much more somber time, with lots of feigned smiles, followed by lots of folks posting on the general residency board asking how they void their match.

So as a premed, you really can't look at a list of names, without knowing what places are good versus malignant in each field (and again it is a very different hierarchy of best to worst in each field), and without knowing what folks actually wanted, and proclaim it a "really impressive list. no matter how you look at it". You just can't. you might be right, but you might also be far from right. As a premed you don't know. You can't know. And that's my point of why these lists don't help you. This is probably something you won't get for a few years. I know I foolishly looked at the lists when I was premed. But now having been through the match, I can tell you that what you see isn't what you think.

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Well, I don't think the match process is a great one by any means. And, I don't disagree with any of the specific points you're making (e.g. malignancy, reputation). However, I'm not trying to say a match tells you any of these things. I'm saying on average these students appear to have gotten into strong residency programs. I think my assertion holds up fairly well at the higher end schools, but probably not so much outside of the top 20. Then, the whole GP in Nebraska thing really comes into play.

For the record, I'm not using these lists to help me in any way. I've been accepted to a handful of top 15 schools, and their match lists aren't factoring into where I end up. Curriculum/Cost/Research are all far more important. I don't think anyone picks a school based off of its match list. That would be insane. I can say that I am looking to end up at a competitive residency down the road and I do have some notion of what programs are good at those particular specialities (e.g. IM and Gen. Surg). For me, the Yale list shows many students ended up at places where I wouldn't mind ending up for IM or GS. Now, after medical school, I will definitely have a better grasp of the ins and outs of which residency programs are better in a given field. There is no debate there, but you can *somewhat* tell from a match list if a school is successful in getting students into a given subspecialty.

You need to look at the match list like an income statement for a company. It's a snapshot. If you look at them over a 5-10 year period, you can get a feel for student outcomes at the school. Even assuming the school has no influence whatsoever where you end up, you can get a feel for what types of students (interest in certain specialities) go to that school.

Also, realistically, I also understand how miserable the match process is. Families are separated, couples are divorced and dreams are dashed. For many, many people, the match is not a happy time (some even at Yale, I'm sure).

Law2Doc said:

And no, people don't desire malignant programs. We aren't talking about being "immersed in medicine to the maximum possible extent", or simply being "rough on residents". We are talking about truly abusive situations. They are out there, and even at some very good places. People tend to avoid those. Residency is 3-7 years, with limited vacations and few weekends. If you are in a bad spot, it's not really something you want to suffer through. And as a premed, you don't know which they are. Even as a resident, you generally only know a few of the more notorious ones outside of your own specialty.

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I actually don't know much about this, but I'm interested to learn. Would you mind PMing me some info about it?? Honestly, I don't pretend to be an expert about any of this. I'm planning on reading House of God soon, which I hope gives me some perspective on it all.

ApoK said:

... I'm planning on reading House of God soon, which I hope gives me some perspective on it all.

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House of God won't give you a perspective on malignancy, just residency. It's a very good work of fiction, sort of. Written in the 70s, but a lot still holds true today.

Law2Doc said:

We are talking about truly abusive situations....with limited vacations and few weekends. If you are in a bad spot, it's not really something you want to suffer through.

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No really, welcome to life. 🙄

ApoK said:

Well, I don't think the match process is a great one by any means. ... I'm saying on average these students appear to have gotten into strong residency programs. I think my assertion holds up fairly well at the higher end schools, but probably not so much outside of the top 20. Then, the whole GP in Nebraska thing really comes into play.
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I think the match process is a pretty good one -- it gets people into the best programs that want them back in a fairly organized fashion. There is no system that is going to work perfectly with 20,000 to 30,000 participants with moving variables, so this one, with the scramble to catch the folks who fall through the cracks is a decent system.

Again, "appear" is the key word in the second sentence above. Without knowing the hierarchy in the various specialties, which ones are good versus malignant, and what folks wanted, you have no basis to evaluate.
As for saying your assertion holds up fairly well at the higher end schools, the answer is not really. The match really works the same no matter where you are coming from. There will be folks who get what they want, don't get what they want, end up in good programs, and not so good programs. There will be people who have geographically driven matches. You have to realize that 4 years down the road you might have a spouse, kids, a sick relative you want to be near, or some other geographic draw. 4 years in your 20s is a lot of time for your life to change -- most people don't put things on hold in med school. And yes, you pick your specialty based on what you like, not based on prestige, even at the top schools. So you will do your rotations, and if you find that you love working with kids, you may go into peds, even if your numbers suggest you could get derm or plastics. Or if you find diabetes fascinating, you might pick IM, even though your numbers suggest that you could do a competitive lifestyle specialty. Or you may really like being a generalist working with people, and think being an internist would be really cool, albeit not as prestigious as being a radiation oncologist. But this is about the next 40 years of your life, not just to push the envelope in terms of prestige. So yeah, your dream might be to go do peds in a geographical location outside of the east coast, whether you are going to a top program or a bottom one. This isn't program specific. And you don't know what you are going to like on rotations until you get there, so no, it isn't going to be an expectation that the top med school grads are going to want X while the others want Y. Doesn't work out that way except in the demented minds of a few folks on pre-allo. You can get into any of these residencies from anyplace, if you have the numbers and evals. There are only 120ish US allo med schools and they are all pretty good -- it's not like college where your career path is limited if you don't get into a good one. So it's really all about your personal choices/preferences. Something a match list doesn't tell you, yet something critical to the analysis of whether a list is good or garbage. Anyway, not meaning to be on the soapbox -- just wanted to refute some blanket statements that, if left unchecked can lead to misunderstanding of the system. Hope this helps somebody.

ApoK is just stating that places like Harvard are not bad at anything. They may not be the best place to train across every specialty, but they will certainly be near the top. It looks impressive to have many of these matches, whether or not it is actually impressive to the individual students who matched there.

Also, malignant programs are becoming less and less. With the work hour changes and putting programs on probation who violate them, programs are less likely to take the risk to have their residents be overworked. It still happens, but a lot of what you hear about malignant programs today is likely more from the history of the program than what is going on today.

Temple Match List

Anesthesiology
Loyola Univ Med Ctr-IL
NCC-Walter Reed Army MC
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Tulane Univ SOM-LA
UCLA Medical Center-CA
UCLA Medical Center-CA
UMDNJ-R W Johnson-Camden
UPMC Medical Education Prog-PA
UPMC Medical Education Prog-PA
Hershey Med Ctr/Penn State-PA
SIU SOM & Affil Hosps-IL
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr-IL
UPMC Medical Education Prog-PA

Emergency Medicine
Christiana Care-DE
Christiana Care-DE
Einstein/Beth Israel Med Ctr-NY
Einstein/Beth Israel Med Ctr-NY
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
Maricopa Med Ctr-AZ
Pitt County Mem Hosp/Brody SOM-NC
Regions Hosp/HealthPartners-MN
St Lukes-Bethlehem-PA
St Lukes-Bethlehem-PA
Stony Brook Teach Hosps-NY
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
UMDNJ-R W Johnson-Camden
UMDNJ-R W Johnson-Camden

Family Medicine
Abington Mem Hosp-PA
Chestnut Hill Hosp-PA
Lancaster Gen Hosp-PA
Reading Memorial Hospital
Thomas Jefferson Univ-PA
UC San Francisco-Fresno-CA
UCLA Medical Center-Ssanta Monica
Wake Forest Baptist Med Ctr-NC
York Hospital-PA

Internal Medicine
Allegheny Gen Hosp-PA
Allegheny Gen Hosp-PA
CA Pacific Med Center
Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr-NY
Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr-NY
George Washington Univ-DC
George Washington Univ-DC
George Washington Univ-DC
George Washington Univ-DC
Georgetown Univ Hosp-DC
Georgetown Univ Hosp-DC
Hershey Med Ctr/Penn State-PA
Hosp of the Univ of PA
Kaiser Permanente-So CA Region
Massachusetts Gen Hosp
NYU School Of Medicine
Santa Clara Valley MC-CA
SUNY HSC Brooklyn-NY
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Thomas Jefferson Univ-PA
Thomas Jefferson Univ-PA
Tulane Univ SOM-LA
Tulane Univ SOM-LA
Tulane Univ SOM-LA
U Colorado SOM-Denver
U Maryland Med Ctr
U Maryland Med Ctr
U Michigan Hosps-Ann Arbor
UPMC Medical Education Prog-PA
UPMC Medical Education Prog-PA

Medicine-Pediatrics
UPMC Medical Education Prog-PA

Medicine-Preliminary
Abington Mem Hosp-PA
Albert Einstein Med Ctr-PA
Albert Einstein Med Ctr-PA
Geisinger Health System-PA
Lankenau Hospital-PA
Maimonides Med Ctr-NY
Maimonides Med Ctr-NY
Pennsylvania Hospital
Pennsylvania Hospital
Pennsylvania Hospital
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Temple Univ Hosp-PA

Medicine-Primary
Boston Univ Med Ctr-MA
George Washington Univ-DC
Hosp of the Univ of PA
Rhode Island Hosp/Brown U
Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT

Neurological Surgery
Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr-NY
NCC-Walter Reed Army MC
University at Buffalo SOM-NY

Neurology
Thomas Jefferson Univ-PA
Thomas Jefferson Univ-PA
U Southern California
Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT

Obstetrics-Gynecology
Lankenau Hospital-PA
Pennsylvania Hospital
Temple Univ Hosp-PA

Ophthalmology
Drexel Univ. SOM-PA
Geisinger Health System-PA
Georgetown Univ Hosp-DC
Suny Downstate-NY
UPMC-PA

Orthopaedic Surgery
Albert Einstein Med Ctr-PA
Marshall University SOM-WV
St Josephs Reg Med Ctr-NJ
Stony Brook Teach Hosps-NY
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
U Connecticut Hlth Ctr
U Maryland Med Ctr
Virginia Commonwealth U Hlth Sys

Otolaryngology
U Connecticut Hlth Ctr

Pathology
NYU School Of Medicine

Pediatrics
Childrens Hosp-Orange Co-CA
Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr-NY
Jefferson Med Coll/duPont Childrens
Johns Hopkins Hosp-MD
Massachusetts Gen Hosp
St Christophers Hosp-PA
U Arizona Affil Hosps
U Michigan Hosps-Ann Arbor
U North Carolina Hospitals
University of South Caroline
UPMC Medical Education Prog-PA
Wake Forest Baptist Med Ctr-NC

Psychiatry
Boston Univ Med Ctr-MA
Brown Univ Psych Res-RI
Hosp of the Univ of PA
Hosp of the Univ of PA
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
U Colorado SOM-Denver
U Maryland Med Ctr
U Maryland Med Ctr

Psychiatry-Family Med
University Hosp-Cincinnati-OH

Radiation-Oncology
William Beaumont Hosp-MI

Radiology-Diagnostic
Bronx Lebanon Hosp-NY
Lenox Hill Hospital-NY
NCC Bethesda
NCC-Walter Reed Army MC
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Thomas Jefferson Univ-PA
U South Florida COM-Tampa

Research Fellowship
Research Fellowship-Jefferson
Research Fellowship-UPMC

Surgery, General
George Washington Univ-DC
Lenox Hill Hospital-NY
NCC-Walter Reed Army MC
St Elizabeths Med Ctr-MA
St Lukes-Roosevelt-NY
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
UC Davis Med Ctr-CA

Surgery-Preliminary
Albert Einstein Med Ctr-PA
Allegheny Gen Hosp-PA
Barnes-Jewish Hosp-MO
Georgetown Univ Hosp-DC
Jacksonville Memorial-Miami
Mt. Sinai/University of Illinois
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Univ California San Francisco
UPMC Mercy Hospital-PA

Transitional
NCC Bethesda
NCC-Walter Reed Army MC
Mercy Catholic Med-PA
Mercy Catholic Med-PA
Tripler Army Medical Center
Albert Einstein Med Ctr-PA
Crozer-Chester Med Ctr-PA
Crozer-Chester Med Ctr-PA
Crozer-Chester Med Ctr-PA
Georgetown Univ Hosp-DC
UPMC Mercy Hospital-PA
Western Pennsylvania Hosp

Urology
Georgetown Univ Hosp-DC
Washington Univ-St. Louis

jbz24 said:

ApoK is just stating that places like Harvard are not bad at anything. They may not be the best place to train across every specialty, but they will certainly be near the top. ...

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I know what he's stating. It's simply not accurate though. Every hospital system is good in some things and bad at others. Every system. I repeat, every system. Get it? You guys are in love with the US News ranking but it's meaningless when you get to the next stage. The best in a particular specialty is going to be the best whether it's affiliated with a good med school or not. The worst or most malignant is going to be bad or malignant whether it's affiliated with a top school or not. And you can have the best in one specialty and the worse in another specialty at the very same hospital. Happens a lot. There's always a range, everyplace. You will see lots of "great names" and if you don't know the hierarchy in a given specialty, you will assume "gee this must be good because X is not bad at anything". Wrong. You lose. Game over. Enjoy your malignant residency at the bottom of the barrel.

The fact that you equate a malignant program with a bad program is also a wrong assumption. It may make unhappy residents, but it won't necessarily make bad residents. No one here is trying to argue that the matches on these lists are not malignant programs simply because none of us know the malignant ones, nor do we care. It's just interesting for some of us to see where students end up at, overall geographical preference, specialty preferences of that class only, etc. Some schools take more of their own students for residency than others, which may or may not be shown on these match lists if you take a look at them over a few years.

Law2Doc said:

I know what he's stating. It's simply not accurate though. Every hospital system is good in some things and bad at others. Every system. I repeat, every system. Get it? You guys are in love with the US News ranking but it's meaningless when you get to the next stage. The best in a particular specialty is going to be the best whether it's affiliated with a good med school or not. The worst or most malignant is going to be bad or malignant whether it's affiliated with a top school or not. And you can have the best in one specialty and the worse in another specialty at the very same hospital. Happens a lot. There's always a range, everyplace. You will see lots of "great names" and if you don't know the hierarchy in a given specialty, you will assume "gee this must be good because X is not bad at anything". Wrong. You lose. Game over. Enjoy your malignant residency at the bottom of the barrel.

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.This is funny. What about fellowship directors that recruit directly from "bottom-barrel" big name programs? Try getting a cardiology or gastro fellowship coming from a no-name community program. It's possible but also harder no matter how well trained you were. May be, just may be, people have other reasons to apply to these programs for the opportunities they provide other than to inflate their egos as you continue to insinuate. Or *grasps*, may be, it might actually be a great place to train for a particular individual . Too bad that after 4 years of med school, med students don't have Law2Doc to show them the way.



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Law2Doc said:

I know what he's stating. It's simply not accurate though. Every hospital system is good in some things and bad at others. Every system. I repeat, every system. Get it? You guys are in love with the US News ranking but it's meaningless when you get to the next stage. The best in a particular specialty is going to be the best whether it's affiliated with a good med school or not. The worst or most malignant is going to be bad or malignant whether it's affiliated with a top school or not. And you can have the best in one specialty and the worse in another specialty at the very same hospital. Happens a lot. There's always a range, everyplace. You will see lots of "great names" and if you don't know the hierarchy in a given specialty, you will assume "gee this must be good because X is not bad at anything". Wrong. You lose. Game over. Enjoy your malignant residency at the bottom of the barrel.

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I know your a moderator Law2Doc, but seriously, give it up. I agree that you can't necessarily predict the quality of an individual residency program based on the institutions brand name but face it, the bigger academic names are at the bigger medical centers. You cannot refute that, seriously you cannot. The bigger institutes have the bigger grants, and the bigger names in research. Now obviously that does not equate with a better residency program, but it does equate with more and better research opportunities. Plus the bigger name programs are always the most competitive to match into, and lots of people include competitiveness to match as one of their criteria for determining quality. I agree that there are amazing programs at non-brand name institutes, but I strongly believe that the brand name institutes have more resources, more research, and bigger names in research. Different strokes for different folks, so if you want a highly academic atmosphere, you go with the big names.

EDIT*** I repeat myself a lot in that above post hah. I'm not the best debater.

Anesthesiology Hosp of the Univ of PA
Anesthesiology Hosp of the Univ of PA
Anesthesiology Hosp of the Univ of PA
Anesthesiology Duke Univ Med Ctr-NC
Anesthesiology NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Anesthesiology Massachusetts Gen Hosp
Anesthesiology Hershey Med Ctr/Penn State-PA
Anesthesiology U Michigan Hosps-Ann Arbor
Anesthesiology NYP Hosp-Weill Cornell Med Ctr-NY
Anesthesiology Duke Univ Med Ctr-NC
Anesthesiology PG 1-4 Massachusetts Gen Hosp
Derm Res & Cut Onc Fell/4 yr Hosp of the Univ of PA
Dermatology Henry Ford HSC-MI
Dermatology UPMC Medical Education Prog-PA
Dermatology Barnes-Jewish Hosp-MO
Dermatology/3 yr Hosp of the Univ of PA
Emergency Medicine University of Virginia
Emergency Medicine B I Deaconess Med Ctr-MA
Emergency Medicine NYU School Of Medicine
Emergency Medicine Hosp of the Univ of PA
Emergency Medicine N Shore U-Manhasset-NY
Family Medicine Lancaster Gen Hosp-PA
Family Medicine Grtr Lawrence Fam Hlth Ctr-MA
Family Medicine Lancaster Gen Hosp-PA
Family Medicine Harbor-UCLA Med Ctr-CA
General Surgery Duke Univ Med Ctr-NC
General Surgery Hosp of the Univ of PA
General Surgery UC San Francisco-CA
General Surgery U Washington Affil Hosps
General Surgery Madigan Army Medical Center
General Surgery Oregon Health & Science Univ
General Surgery Vanderbilt Univ Med Ctr-TN
General Surgery Hosp of the Univ of PA
General Surgery-Preliminary Hosp of the Univ of PA
Internal Medicine Duke Univ Med Ctr-NC
Internal Medicine Hosp of the Univ of PA
Internal Medicine Hosp of the Univ of PA
Internal Medicine Hosp of the Univ of PA
Internal Medicine Duke Univ Med Ctr-NC
Internal Medicine Hosp of the Univ of PA
Internal Medicine Hosp of the Univ of PA
Internal Medicine NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Internal Medicine Hosp of the Univ of PA
Internal Medicine Hosp of the Univ of PA
Internal Medicine NYU School Of Medicine
Internal Medicine Hosp of the Univ of PA
Internal Medicine Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA
Internal Medicine Hosp of the Univ of PA
Internal Medicine Vanderbilt Univ Med Ctr-TN
Internal Medicine NYP Hosp-Weill Cornell Med Ctr-NY
Internal Medicine Hosp of the Univ of PA
Internal Medicine Mt Sinai Hospital-NY
Internal Medicine U Colorado SOM-Denver
Internal Medicine UPMC Medical Education Prog-PA
Internal Medicine Stanford Univ Progs-CA
Internal Medicine Hosp of the Univ of PA
Internal Medicine Massachusetts Gen Hosp
Internal Medicine NYP Hosp-Weill Cornell Med Ctr-NY
Internal Medicine Duke Univ Med Ctr-NC
Internal Medicine Hosp of the Univ of PA
Internal Medicine Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL
Internal Medicine Hosp of the Univ of PA
Internal Medicine Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA
Med-Peds/Harvard MGH Massachusetts Gen Hosp
Med-Prelim-Neurology Massachusetts Gen Hosp
Med-Prelim/Neurology Brigham & Womens Hosp-MA
Medicine-Preliminary Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT
Medicine-Preliminary Howard Univ Hosp-DC
Medicine-Preliminary Pennsylvania Hospital
Medicine-Preliminary Caritas Carney Hospital-MA
Medicine-Preliminary Lankenau Hospital-PA
Medicine-Preliminary Prov Portland Med Ctr-OR
Medicine-Preliminary Kaiser Permanente-SF-CA
Medicine-Preliminary CA Pacific Med Center
Medicine-Preliminary UMDNJ-R W Johnson-Camden
Medicine-Preliminary Christiana Care-DE
Medicine-Preliminary Hosp of the Univ of PA
Medicine-Preliminary Massachusetts Gen Hosp
Medicine-Preliminary Pennsylvania Hospital
Medicine-Preliminary Temple Univ Hosp-PA
Medicine-Preliminary Pennsylvania Hospital
Medicine-Primary Hosp of the Univ of PA
Medicine-Primary Massachusetts Gen Hosp
Medicine-Primary George Washington Univ-DC
Medicine-Primary Hosp of the Univ of PA
Neurological Surgery UC San Diego Med Ctr-CA
Neurological Surgery Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT
Neurology NYP Hosp-Weill Cornell Med Ctr-NY
Neurology Hosp of the Univ of PA
Neurology Hosp of the Univ of PA
Neurology/MGH-BWH Massachusetts Gen Hosp
Neurology/MGH-BWH Massachusetts Gen Hosp
Obstetrics-Gynecology Christiana Care-DE
Obstetrics-Gynecology St Johns Mercy Med Ctr-MO
Ophthalmology Scheie Eye Institute-Univ of PA
Ophthalmology Oregon Health & Science Univ
Ophthalmology CPMC - San Francisco-CA
Ophthalmology UC San Francisco-CA
Ophthalmology Johns Hopkins-Wilmer, GBMC
Ophthalmology NYU School Of Medicine
Oral Maxillo Facial Surgery Hosp of the Univ of PA
Oral Maxillo Facial Surgery Hosp of the Univ of PA
Oral Maxillo Facial Surgery Hosp of the Univ of PA
Ortho Surg/Harvard Combined Massachusetts Gen Hosp
Ortho Surg/Research-6 yr Hosp of the Univ of PA
Ortho Surgery/Clin-5 yr Hosp of the Univ of PA
Orthopaedic Surgery Hosp For Special Surg-NY
Otolaryngology Thomas Jefferson Univ-PA
Otolaryngology UC San Francisco-CA
Pathology Hosp of the Univ of PA
Pathology Hosp of the Univ of PA
Pathology Massachusetts Gen Hosp
Pathology Hosp of the Univ of PA
Pathology NYP Hosp-Columbia Univ Med Ctr-NY
Pathology/Comb-Anat & Clin Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT
Pediatrics U Washington Affil Hosps
Pediatrics Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA
Pediatrics Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA
Pediatrics Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA
Pediatrics Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA
Pediatrics Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA
Pediatrics Childrens Hosp Boston-MA
Pediatrics Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA
Pediatrics Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA
Pediatrics Childrens Hosp Boston-MA
Pediatrics Childrens Hosp Boston-MA
Pediatrics Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA
Pediatrics Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA
Pediatrics Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr-NY
Pediatrics Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA
Pediatrics Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA
Pediatrics Phoenix Childrens Hospital-AZ
Pediatrics Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA
Pediatrics Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA
Pediatrics-Preliminary Childrens Hosp-Philadelphia-PA
Pediatrics-Primary Childrens Hosp Boston-MA
Pediatrics-Primary Childrens Natl Med Ctr-DC
Plastic Surgery Hosp of the Univ of PA
Psych/Peds/MGH/McLean Massachusetts Gen Hosp
Psych/Physician-Scientist Mt Sinai Hospital-NY
Psychiatry UCLA Semel Inst for Neuroscience-CA
Psychiatry UCLA Semel Inst for Neuroscience-CA
Psychiatry UPMC Medical Education Prog-PA
Psychiatry Stanford Univ Progs-CA
Psychiatry NYU School Of Medicine
Psychiatry/Adult+Child Massachusetts Gen Hosp
Radiation Oncology Hosp of the Univ of PA
Radiation Oncology Hosp of the Univ of PA
Radiation-Oncology Yale-New Haven Hosp-CT
Radiology-Diag/Research-5 yr Hosp of the Univ of PA
Radiology-Diagnostic NYU School Of Medicine
Radiology-Diagnostic Rhode Island Hosp/Brown U
Radiology-Diagnostic Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr-NY
Radiology-Diagnostic Massachusetts Gen Hosp
Radiology-Diagnostic NYU School Of Medicine
Surg-Prelim/Plastic Surgery Hosp of the Univ of PA
Surg-Prelim/Urology Hosp of the Univ of PA
Thoracic Surgery Hosp of the Univ of PA
Transitional Crozer-Chester Med Ctr-PA
Transitional Crozer-Chester Med Ctr-PA
Transitional Albert Einstein Med Ctr-PA
Transitional Albert Einstein Med Ctr-PA
Transitional Metrowest-Framingham-MA
Transitional Lehigh Vally Hosp - PA
Transitional Memorial Sloan-Kettering-NY
Transitional UPMC Presbyterian Shadyside-PA
Transitional Western Pennsylvania Hosp
Urology Hosp of the Univ of PA
Vascular Surgery University Hosp-Cincinnati-OH
Vascular Surgery Northwestern McGaw/NMH/VA-IL

does anybody have RFUMS-CMS's match list for 2010 ?

UCSF anyone?

Law2Doc said:

Again, you don't know how these programs rank in each field, which ones are good versus malignant, and more importantly, what people actually wanted (as opposed to what they got). None of these lists are impressive or not, without knowing the individuals in the class and a lot more about the program hierarchy in every specialty than any premed could know. As a premed you cannot read these lists usefully.

So guys continue listing the match lists on here, but cool it with the uninformed editorializing like the above. That's what I'm trying to counter here -- to get premeds to understand that a list with lots of big names/specialties can often be a horrible list if (1) the places are malignant, (2) the programs happen to be bad in those particular specialties, or (3) the places were not what the person actually wanted. All you see is a lot of big names/specialties, which to you may seem impressive, but to the actual applicants, match day might not be so rosy. You just can't know, from your vantage point. You'll get my point in a few years.

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These lists also don't tell you how many had to scramble. There is a list up here for a class that had 40 go unmatched, and yet that is conveniently unmentioned.

I have friends who could match anything they want (numbers wise etc) and yet they are going for psych and and internal med. Some of them choosing to stay at an unranked state school for personal reasons (have kids/husband they don't want to move etc). Likewise my unranked school matched 3 into integrated plastics and 1 into integrated vascular which was totally unpredictable from previous lists. Match lists are fun when you're seeing where your friends have gone. Otherwise they are truly useless.

psipsina said:

These lists also don't tell you how many had to scramble. There is a list up here for a class that had 40 go unmatched, and yet that is conveniently unmentioned.

I have friends who could match anything they want (numbers wise etc) and yet they are going for psych and and internal med. Some of them choosing to stay at an unranked state school for personal reasons (have kids/husband they don't want to move etc). Likewise my unranked school matched 3 into integrated plastics and 1 into integrated vascular which was totally unpredictable from previous lists. Match lists are fun when you're seeing where your friends have gone. Otherwise they are truly useless.

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Which list had 40 go unmatched? That's almost a third of the class!

Does anyone have Columbia or NYU?

I think you've over-extended your efforts in trying to downplay match lists and pre-med naivete.

Sure, there are programs that are malignant. Sure, there are people who have regional preferences. Sure, there are those outliers who choose a community hospital over JH, HMS, and Penn. But let's focus on averages here, and we can start making some comparisons.

You behave as if the correlation between school and a student's preference in matching is 0 (or uninterpretable) because of all those confounding factors, and that the ONLY way to tell is to interview each individual student to find out what their preferences were. You and I both know that's not true. While the correlation between preference and matching a prestigious program may not be 1, it's definitely not 0.

University of Texas Medical Branch-Galveston:
http://www.utmb.edu/iutmb/pdfs/UTMBMatchDay2010.pdf

University of Texas at Houston
http://med.uth.tmc.edu/students-current/2010MatchResults.pdf

University of Miami
http://www.mededu.miami.edu/MedEd/d...airs/e-docs/Main_Match_Results_2010_FINAL.pdf

University of New Mexico
http://hsc.unm.edu/som/oss/includes/PDF_Uploads/2010FOR%20WEBSITEMatch%20Results%20For%20Seniors.pdf

Cornell
http://library.med.cornell.edu/PDF/matchlist10.pdf

Can someone post Baylor's match list?

University Of North Carolina
http://www.med.unc.edu/md/residency-match/residency-placements/2010%20public%20alpha%20list%20by%20specialty.pdf

University Of Florida
http://www.med.ufl.edu/oea/osa/matchday-2010.pdf

Eastern Virginia Medical School
http://www.evms.edu/images/stories/MarComm/evms 2010 match results1.pdf

University Of Michigan
http://www.med.umich.edu/medschool/match/matchlist10.pdf

Tulane
http://tulane.edu/som/admissions/upload/MatchList.pdf

Anyone have Penn State's match list?

TheProwler said:

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Fine, how about because they are masochists. People like this exist.

Is Cornell's list complete? Seems like a lot of people at Cornell went unmatched this year (many surgical/medicine prelim matches with no corresponding residency).

TheProwler said:

I wouldn't argue that point. Here's an interesting thread about it though - http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=7743783&postcount=1

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interesting indeed

Hey, MS 3 here. Does anyone have Columbias, Duke's, and University of Michigans?

Maybe this should be moved to school specific discussions?

Can someone shed some light on the significance of the "preliminary" match? Is it for people who didn't match directly into a program and this is kind of the equivalent of a post-bacc for residency placement in that it gives you one last chance to stand out? It seems like it's definitely less than a regular match as I'm seeing a lot of the "Surgery-Preliminary," especially in the lower-ranked schools.

Beta Cell said:

Can someone shed some light on the significance of the "preliminary" match? Is it for people who didn't match directly into a program and this is kind of the equivalent of a post-bacc for residency placement in that it gives you one last chance to stand out? It seems like it's definitely less than a regular match as I'm seeing a lot of the "Surgery-Preliminary," especially in the lower-ranked schools.

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i dont think this is always true, i shall abstain to med students and residents for this question though

Many programs require a prelim or transitional year. They're kind of a stereotypical "intern" year. Radiology, anesthesia (some of them), neurology, lots of the surgical subspecialties, etc require them. Generally you interview for both the prelim year and regular residency that you want. You then have to match into both of them.

jbz24 said:

Many programs require a prelim or transitional year. They're kind of a stereotypical "intern" year. Radiology, anesthesia (some of them), neurology, lots of the surgical subspecialties, etc require them. Generally you interview for both the prelim year and regular residency that you want. You then have to match into both of them.

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Thanks! That cleared a lot of things up.

Colorado or Northwestern, anyone?

Beta Cell said:

Can someone shed some light on the significance of the "preliminary" match? Is it for people who didn't match directly into a program and this is kind of the equivalent of a post-bacc for residency placement in that it gives you one last chance to stand out? It seems like it's definitely less than a regular match as I'm seeing a lot of the "Surgery-Preliminary," especially in the lower-ranked schools.

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There are two types of prelim spots at any given institution. There are "designated prelim" which is for people who have also matched a residency that requires a prelim year first (you apply for both at once). There are also undesignated prelim spots which are for people who have not matched a residency program. They're hoping to get a match the second time around.

man UTSW, how are you able to find so many match lists?

may be missing 1 or 2 . . .

Dartmouth

Anesthesia
Hopkins (Hawaii prelim)
Hopkins (Scripps prelim)
Harvard – BW (SUNY prelim)
Washington
Michigan
Chicago
Virginia Mason (DMS prelim)
Utah (DMS prelim)
Case
Temple (Drexel prelim)

Dermatology
UCSF (DMS prelim)
Emory (DMS prelim)

EM
Harvard - BW
BU
BU
Maine

ENT
Stanford
Baylor

Family Med
Tufts

General Surgery
UCSF – east bay
VCU
Utah
Drexel
Swedish -Seattle

General Surgery – prelim only
Mt. Sinai
Harvard – BI
Harvard – BI

Internal Medicine
Harvard - MGH
Washington
Hopkins
Columbia
DMS
DMS
DMS
Brown
Einstein
UMass
UMass
UMass

IM –prelim only
UCSF/DMS – Cal Pacific
Yale

Med/Peds
Ohio State

Neurology
Hopkins (UCSF/DMS prelim)

Neuro Surgery
DMS

OB GYN
Duke
Brown
Tufts
UMass
UConn
UNM
Navy – San Diego

Optho
NYU
Michigan
UCSF/DMS – Cal Pacific

Ortho
Penn
Pitt
NYU
Toronto
UMass
SUNY - Brooklyn

Pathology
Harvard – MGH
Iowa

Pediatrics
Harvard - MGH
Penn
Penn
Duke
UCSF – Fresno
Michigan
DMS
Case
Tulane
UMass

Plastic Surgery
MCW
South Florida

Psychiatry
Harvard – Cambridge
UC Irvine

Radiology
Cleveland Clinic (Cornell prelim)
Iowa (Loyola prelim)
DMS (DMS prelim)

Radiation Oncology
Harvard – BW (Washington prelim)

Urology
Mayo - Scottsdale

2010 UAB Match (~165)

Primary Care
Internal Medicine: UAB (12), Vanderbilt (4), WashU (4), UNC (3), Penn, Emory, Mayo, USC, Pitt, NYU, UTSW, Wilford Hall/San Antonio, Wright Patterson, Tulane, Baptist/Birmingham, VCU, Mississippi, UTMemphis
Pediatrics: UAB (7), Cincinnati, Virginia, Emory, UNC, Arkansas (3), UTC, LSU, USF, Children's Mercy (2), MCG
Family Medicine: Tuscaloosa (7), USA, Huntsville, Montgomery, Mountain Area/NC, Wake Forest, Wisconsin, Anderson/SC, St. Vincent's East/AL, Self Greenwood/SC, North Colorado
Medicine/Pediatrics: UAB (2), Penn, Yale, Utah, SLU, Greenville

Surgical Specialties
General Surgery: Mayo (2), Minnesota, ETSU, Florida, Bethesda, Louisville, Spartanberg, Baptist/Birmingham
Neurosurgery: UAB, USF
Ophthalmology: Mayo, UAB, MUSC, UTMemphis, VCU
OMFS: UAB (2)
Orthopedics: UAB (2), Arkansas (2), Chicago, UMKC, UTMemphis, St. Luke's Bethlehem, Mississippi
Otolaryngology: Arkansas
Urology: Wisconsin

Other
Anesthesiology: UAB (6), Michigan, Walter Reed, Kentucky, LSU
Child Neurology: Johns Hopkins
Emergency Medicine: UAB, Drexel
OB/GYN: UAB (3), Michigan, UTSW, FSU (2), MUSC, USA, UTKnoxville, UTC, Mercer
Medicine/Psychiatry: West Virginia
Neurology: Vanderbilt
Pathology: UAB, Pitt, MUSC, Mississippi
Psychiatry: UAB (2), Mayo, Wake Forest
Radiology: UAB (2), Wisconsin, Florida, LSU, UTKnoxville, Baptist/Birmingham (2)
PMR: UAB, Carolinas (2)

Prelim Only: 1

University of Rochester

Anesthesia- 5
URMC
MGH
Penn
Cornell
Stanford

Dermatology- 4
Emory
Northwestern
Brown
Wash U

EM- 2
URMC x2

ENT- 3
Hopkins
Nebraska
Mayo

Family Medicine-8
Swedish Medical Center
URMC x2
UNM x2
St. Mary's Hospital
Ft. Collins
Baylor

General Surgery- 6
URMC x2
Pitt
Guthrie/Robert Packer Hospital
UT Houston
Maryland
URMC (Prelim)

Internal Medicine- 18
Michigan
Minnesota
Vanderbilt
Mt. Sinai NYC
Duke x2
URMC x3
Utah
Pitt
Cornell
UTSW
Michigan
Military-San Antonio
Yale x2
Hopkins

Med/Peds- 6
URMC x3
Indiana
WVU
Albany

Neurology- 4
Cornell
URMC x2
UVa

Neurosurgery- 1
Duke

OB/GYN- 4
Yale
Minnesota
Brigham and Women's
UC Davis

Ophthalmology- 8
UC Irvine
Oklahoma
URMC
Bascom Palmer @ Miami
Wills @ Jefferson
Arizona
UTMB
Louisville

Pathology- 1
UVa

Pediatrics- 11
CHOP
Walter Reed
Mayo
Columbia
Yale
Dartmouth
Wisconsin
Baylor (Medical Genetics/Peds)
Duke
URMC

Pediatric Neurology- 1
Wash U

PMR- 1
U Washington

Plastic Surgery- 2
Georgetown x2

Psychiatry- 2
MUSC
Emory

Radiology- 2
Mt. Sinai NYC
Northwestern

Urology- 1
UC Davis

93 total. We rock!

TheProwler said:

how was your residency experience?

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how was yours? 🙄

Anyone have the match list for NJMS?

Anesthesiology (14)
Stanford x 2
Pittsburgh
UT San Antonio x 2
Columbia
University of Rochester
Yale
Mount Sinai
University of Pennsylvania
George Washington
Duke
UMDNJ
Northwestern

Child Neurology (4)
Children's National Med Ctr-DC x 2
UCLA
University of Southern California

Emergency Medicine (13)
University of Pennsylvania
St Lukes-Roosevelt
NY Hospital Med Ctr Queens
Madigan Army Medical Center x 2
Carolinas Med Ctr
Mount Sinai
Alameda Co Med Ctr-CA
Beth Israel Deaconess Med Ctr-MA
George Washington University x 2
Drexel
Johns Hopkins

Family Medicine (6)
Swedish Medical Center-WA
Middlesex Hospital-CT
UCSF
VCU-Fairfax
St Josephs Reg Med Ctr-IN
Naval Hospital, Camp Lejeune

General Surgery (5)
Memorial Health-Univ Med Ctr-GA
Morristown Mem Hosp-NJ
Einstein/Montefiore
George Washington University
San Antonio Military Medical Center

Internal Medicine (33)
University Hospitals - Case Western x 2
Einstein Montefiore x 3
University of Virginia
Cleveland Clinic x 2
Brown
NYU x 2
University of Vermont
University of Pittsburgh x 2
UMDNJ
Cedars-Sinai x 2
Emory
Virginia Mason
University of Colorado
George Washington University x 5
Temple
Yale
Georgetown
Cornell
Boston U
North Shore-LIJ
Grand Rapids Med Ed-MI
Albert Einstein-PA

Medicine-Dermatology (1)
Washington Hospital Center

Medicine-Pediatrics (1)
LSU-New Orleans

Medicine-Primary Care (5)
University of Wisconsin
George Washington University x 2
NYU
University of Virginia

Neurological Surgery (2)
Ohio State
George Washington University

Neurology (5)
Mount Sinai
University of Southern California x 2
University of South Florida
Jefferson

OBGYN (9)
George Washington University x 5
West Virginia University
University of Washington
SUNY Downstate
Brigham & Women's Hospital

Ophthalmology (6)
George Washington University x 3
Albert Einstein-NY
Georgetown
Tufts

Orthopaedic Surgery (8)
Albany Med Ctr
Georgetown
George Washington University
Northwestern
Mayo
University of Miami
Jefferson
UCSF

Otolaryngology (7)
Georgetown
George Washington University x 2
UNC
Maryland
Northwestern
Temple

Pathology (3)
George Washington University
UCSF
Stanford

Pediatrics (27)
University of Michigan
Duke
Childrens National Med Ctr-DC x 7
Loyola
UCLA
CHOP
University of Washington x 2
Orlando Health
Rainbow Babies & Children's Hospital
Baylor - Texas Children's
Northwestern - Children's Memorial x 2
Children's Hospital-Oakland x 2
UCSF
Children's Hospital-LA
St. Christopher's Hosp-PA
Yale
Brown
INOVA Fairfax

Pediatrics-Medical Genetics (1)
Cincinnati Children's Hospital

Pediatrics-PM&R (1)
University of Colorado

PM&R (1)
Johns Hopkins

Psychiatry (5)
Jefferson
Maine Medical Ctr
St Elizabeth's-DC
George Washington University x 2

Radiation Oncology (1)
University of Kansas

Radiology (9)
Maryland
University of Rochester
George Washington University
Morristown Mem Hosp-NJ
Albert Einstein-PA
Wake Forest
Mount Sinai
Johns Hopkins
Brown

Urology (2)
Mayo
Yale