STEP 1 scores (compilation...please help)

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I put a few averages from the University of Iowa from what I could tell from the line graph they gave us at interviews. Does anyone know what the averages are at the University of Alabama?

Also, what would really be interesting is what score falls into the top quarter of the class. I think then we'd be able to see the potential you would have at the school. Obviously state schools in certain states are going to have lower averages because they have to let people in from their state, but that doesn't mean that the quality of their teaching isn't as good as a private school.

Originally Posted by bassvp
Baylor: 244, 239, 235 (2011/2010?, 2009, ?)
Case Western Reserve: 230 (SD=21; average 2007-2010); 235 (2011); 231 (2010)
Cleveland Clinic: 232 (2009; 100% pass), 229 (100% pass rate)
Columbia University: 237, 235 (2010,2009)
Dartmouth: 236 (2009)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
FSU: 218 (class of 2011 96% pass)
Georgetown: 227
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 240, 238, 236, 234, 230 (2007, 2006, 2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 234
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
NYMC: 223 (2009)
NYU: 238 (2008)
Penn State: 227 (2009' 97% pass)
SUNY Upstate: 222 (2008)
SUNY Stony Brook: 233 (2011)
Texas Tech at El Paso: 226 (2011)
Texas Tech at Lubbock: 231 (2009)
Temple: ~215ish
Uchicago: 236.2 (2009), 247 (2010)
University of Cincinnati: 233
UConn: Step 1=219, Step 2=230
UMass: 2010, 91% pass
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002)
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002), 232 (2008)
University of Miami (Miami Campus)- 229
University of Miami (Boca Campus)- 234
University of Missouri - 229 (2010), 233 (2009)
University of Florida: 234, 227 (2005, 2004)
University of Iowa: 226, 224, 225, 223 (2010, 2009, 2008, 2002)
UIC-Chicago: 221 (2008, for c/o 2010, 99% pass)
University of Louisville: 222 (2009, 94% pass)
University of Michigan: 235, 237 (2008)
University of Pennsylvania: 238, 236, 234, 236, 235 (2006, 2005, 2004, 2003,2002)
University of Pittsburgh: 227 (2004 or earlier)
University of Southern California: 233 (2007)
USouthFlorida:~220
University of Virginia: 233 (SD = 20; 2011, 97% pass), 236 (SD=18; 2010, 99% pass); 233 (SD = 19; 2009; 97% pass); 235 (SD=17; 2008; 99% pass)
University of Toledo: 217
UT Houston: 232, 220 (2009, 2006)
UTHSCA: 225 (from LCME probation response email)
UTMB: 226 (2008)
UTSW: 233, 233, 230 (2008, 2007, 2006)
Vanderbilt: 237, 240, 243 (2007, 2008, 2009)
VCU: 225
UWash: ~215ish
Wake Forest: 219
WashU: 235

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It seems like EVERY school is above the national average :p
 
The national average is 224.3 now so some of these aren't, but like someone said before, the schools who are below the average don't share their averages. These are mostly top med schools.
 
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The national average is 224.3 now so some of these aren't, but like someone said before, the schools who are below the average don't share their averages. These are mostly top med schools.

Wait what? I read it was more like 217-221.
 
It seems like EVERY school is above the national average :p

Because they aren't correct. I've worked at multiple of those schools, and I know the numbers are higher here than is true.

The problem is that there is no reason for schools to be truthful. Releasing numbers is optional and impossible to prove unless you work within the university setting.

School X can say they averaged 240 when school X actually averaged 210. Many routinely inflate numbers. Who can prove them wrong?
 
Because they aren't correct. I've worked at multiple of those schools, and I know the numbers are higher here than is true.

The problem is that there is no reason for schools to be truthful. Releasing numbers is optional and impossible to prove unless you work within the university setting.

School X can say they averaged 240 when school X actually averaged 210. Many routinely inflate numbers. Who can prove them wrong?

That's interesting. The average score means something to me because I matched to Texas tech el paso, and the only tangible way of assessing their "innovative" curriculum would be to see their inaugural class performance on step I.

Of course I'm aware that much of step I results from personal preparation and studying. However, I feel like it's a point of interest for a new school.
 
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Wait what? I read it was more like 217-221.
Here's my source for 224.3, and these numbers are from 2009, so I imagine it is even higher now. Maybe the difference is applicants as opposed to test-takers?

http://services.medicine.uab.edu/PublicDocuments/USMLE/2009 Match Outcomes.pdf


NRMP (National Resident Matching Program) says: "Overall, U.S. senior applicants have mean USMLE Step 1 scores of 224.3 (s.d. = 19.6) and independent applicants have mean scores of 211.0 (s.d. = 19.7), both well above the minimum passing score of 182."
 
My score report from 2011 say s 222 with a std dev of 24.
 
The NRMP number does not include those who failed. Given that 8% failed (scoring below 182), the true average has to be at most 220.8.
Furthermore, since the 8% who failed include both U.S. and Canadian schools, the true average may even be lower.
 
The NRMP number does not include those who failed. Given that 8% failed (scoring below 182), the true average has to be at most 220.8.
Furthermore, since the 8% who failed include both U.S. and Canadian schools, the true average may even be lower.

So my step 1 score report is lying, and we should trust a pre-med to know what is going on? lol.

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The NRMP number does not include those who failed. Given that 8% failed (scoring below 182), the true average has to be at most 220.8.
Furthermore, since the 8% who failed include both U.S. and Canadian schools, the true average may even be lower.

the fact that you don't know that the passing score is 188 and not 182 makes it even more obvious that you are just making things up

the score report says that the 222 average is for all US and canadian test takers
 
I was just responding to this post:
Here's my source for 224.3, and these numbers are from 2009, so I imagine it is even higher now. Maybe the difference is applicants as opposed to test-takers?

http://services.medicine.uab.edu/Pub...20Outcomes.pdf

NRMP (National Resident Matching Program) says: "Overall, U.S. senior applicants have mean USMLE Step 1 scores of 224.3 (s.d. = 19.6) and independent applicants have mean scores of 211.0 (s.d. = 19.7), both well above the minimum passing score of 182."
188 is the passing score for 2011 and 182 is the passing score for 2009.
The 8% is from here:
http://www.usmle.org/performance-data/default.aspx#2010_step-1
 
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....except the passing score in 2009 was 185

....there is no way to be able to predict the average score simply by looking at the % who pass...that doesn't make any sense
Ah, the NRMP report is for 2009 match, which means the step 1 numbers actually correspond to 2007.
In any case, I was not predicting or claiming any average step 1 score. I was just explaining why the NRMP number is higher than the number on the step 1 score report. The logic is still valid :smuggrin:
 
Originally Posted by bassvp
Baylor: 244, 239, 235 (2011/2010?, 2009, ?)
Case Western Reserve: 230 (SD=21; average 2007-2010); 235 (2011); 231 (2010)
Cleveland Clinic: 232 (2009; 100% pass), 229 (100% pass rate)
Columbia University: 237, 235 (2010,2009)
Dartmouth: 236 (2009)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
Eastern Virginia Medical School (EVMS): 228 (2011)
FSU: 218 (class of 2011 96% pass)
Georgetown: 227
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 240, 238, 236, 234, 230 (2007, 2006, 2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 234
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
NYMC: 223 (2009)
NYU: 238 (2008)
Penn State: 227 (2009' 97% pass)
SUNY Upstate: 222 (2008)
SUNY Stony Brook: 233 (2011)
Texas Tech at El Paso: 226 (2011)
Texas Tech at Lubbock: 231 (2009)
Temple: ~215ish
Uchicago: 236.2 (2009), 247 (2010)
University of Cincinnati: 233
UConn: Step 1=219, Step 2=230
UMass: 2010, 91% pass
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002)
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002), 232 (2008)
University of Miami (Miami Campus)- 229
University of Miami (Boca Campus)- 234
University of Missouri - 229 (2010), 233 (2009)
University of Florida: 234, 227 (2005, 2004)
University of Iowa: 226, 224, 225, 223 (2010, 2009, 2008, 2002)
UIC-Chicago: 221 (2008, for c/o 2010, 99% pass)
University of Louisville: 222 (2009, 94% pass)
University of Michigan: 235, 237 (2008)
University of Pennsylvania: 238, 236, 234, 236, 235 (2006, 2005, 2004, 2003,2002)
University of Pittsburgh: 227 (2004 or earlier)
University of Southern California: 233 (2007)
USouthFlorida:~220
University of Virginia: 233 (SD = 20; 2011, 97% pass), 236 (SD=18; 2010, 99% pass); 233 (SD = 19; 2009; 97% pass); 235 (SD=17; 2008; 99% pass)
University of Toledo: 217
UT Houston: 232, 220 (2009, 2006)
UTHSCA: 225 (from LCME probation response email)
UTMB: 226 (2008)
UTSW: 233, 233, 230 (2008, 2007, 2006)
Vanderbilt: 237, 240, 243 (2007, 2008, 2009)
VCU: 225
UWash: ~215ish
Wake Forest: 219
WashU: 235
 
Ah, the NRMP report is for 2009 match, which means the step 1 numbers actually correspond to 2007.
In any case, I was not predicting or claiming any average step 1 score. I was just explaining why the NRMP number is higher than the number on the step 1 score report. The logic is still valid :smuggrin:

Feel free to admit that you don't know what you're talking about. You haven't even started medical school, and you're already arguing about step 1 stuff with two students who have their score reports in front of them. This is a mute point. Get into school, do well in class, and try and do well on Step 1. No school, regardless of the "tier", will guarantee you any score in particular. I am nearly 25 points above the ivy schools listed above, and I'm at a state school where I got a damn good education.
 
Anyone knows what university of colorado's step I average is?
 
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For what it's worth, the WashU average has been 237-238 the past two match cycles...and what are these data worth? Not all that much.

Given that this is a 'Pre-Med' thread, here's some perspective for all current applicants:

Year 1 and 2 medical school curriculum either does a poor, decent, or good job preparing students for Step 1 [FACTOR 1]. Each school also gives students less than enough, just enough, or more than enough time to prepare on their own for Step 1 [FACTOR 2]. There are also the other inherent variables of (1) students' desire to perform well-enough versus exceptionally on Step 1 depending on their aspirations/priorities [FACTOR 3], and (2) students' own ability to learn the material and perform on a standardized test [FACTOR 4].

I can relate to being in your shoes 3-4 years ago when applying to medical school, wondering how a school ranked 25th in the country might have better Step 1 scores than the 6th ranked school. Is it the 6th ranked school's FAULT?!

However, once you are in medical school you'll realize that trying to answer that question is pointless if you don't obtain the proper data. And, for better or worse, the proper 'data' really only come from primary sources (aka students) at each particular school in question.

While on your interviews, I'd recommend you ask multiple students how they felt about Step 1 preparation and performance at their school (always take their stories about other schools' prep/performance with a grain of salt). Seriously, ask more than five people, and make sure they aren't all friends/study-buddies, otherwise you'll just get the same opinion five different times. It helps to know the average Step 1 score of a school if and only if you can relate it to how 'boards-focused' the curriculum is (maybe you do or do not want that in a school), how much time students spend preparing, plus how much students really want to 'ace' the boards compared to just break 230 and be happy with a solid score.

If you were to survey people here at WashU, I feel that you'd observe the following sentiment:

The WashU first- and second-year curriculum itself is first focused on making you a great third year medical student (and eventually doctor), not setting you up to ace the boards (this is a secondary priority). Thus, there isn't an over-arching focus to specifically prepare you for Step 1 in each and every class. However, when you start Step 1 studying, you'll realize that you are actually quite well-prepared for the test and would probably get around a 230 if you took the test without more than a week of dedicated test prep (some biochemistry and anatomy review, given that they are first-year classes, is a must). WashU gives students 4-5 weeks of dedicated Step 1 study time, which most people felt was more than enough to perform to their own standards whether that was a 240 or a 260.

Further, there is honestly a very wide range of Step 1 aspirations at every school, even WashU. There are many people that felt they needed to break 255 to assure themselves a good chance at a surgical residency match in a particular part of the country. There are also people who want to move back home for Internal Medicine and, wherever home is, their local institution isn't super competitive so they would be fine with a score around 230. These different students obviously spend different amounts of time and energy preparing for Step 1. If schools have tons of the hyper-competitive students with dermatology aspirations, then their Step 1 will be higher than a school that matches even more that the usual proportion of students in Internal Medicine or Peds.

All in all, schools with identical Step 1 averages can get there very different ways. Some might teach specifically to the test and thus their students don't need quite as much dedicated prep time later. Other schools might not focus on the test but then give their students an eternity to prepare on their own. Similarly, a 5 point difference in Step 1 average between two schools isn't a real difference at all given how much that number depends on the particular students at that school a given year.

Hopefully this opens the conversation to some interesting discussion. Feel free to pick my brain further.
 
While on your interviews, I'd recommend you ask multiple students how they felt about Step 1 preparation and performance at their school (always take their stories about other schools' prep/performance with a grain of salt). Seriously, ask more than five people, and make sure they aren't all friends/study-buddies, otherwise you'll just get the same opinion five different times.

while this is good advice in theory, during interview day it is very unlikely you will have access to any 3rd and 4th years as the 1st and 2nd yrs are usually the ones doing the tours, wandering the halls, and sitting in the lounge. at my 5 interviews i only spoke to one upperclassman (total, not at each school) and have not personally interacted with an applicant as a third year.
 
wow. USC's average is higher than UCSF's?
 
Obv it's hurting UCSF students in the match... :rolleyes:

Step 1 averages for schools are even less useful than usnews.

Ok, if it's not the board scores (step 1 averages), and it's not the ranking (USnews), then what is it?
Research? I thought that was far below step 1 scores in residency candidate criteria.
3rd year clinical grades? Sure, but you're competing against your own classmates, which holds true for all med schools. Shelf exams are standardized but different schools put different weight on them.
 
Anyone know University of Arizona's or Tulane's?

Thanks in advance.
 
2 years later since I last saw this post and now I'm about to take my Step 1. I'll tell you one thing...

The average Step 1 of each school is meaningless. Do not use this stat to decide on your med school. It's completely based on each individual's study habits and work ethic. The only reason some schools have very high averages is because those schools only admitted high MCAT scorers to begin with and those are the students who always get good grades and score high on tests due to their own intelligence and work ethic for studying. These students will perform the same at any school.

For med school, make sure you only pick an allopathic/American MD school and you'll be well prepared. The difference in your Step 1 score and others' is based on your individual work ethic. The top students at a low-ranked state MD school do just as well as the students at an Ivy League school.

The more important factor may be to determine the school's grading system. A honor/high pass system motivates you to study more than a pass/fail program, although the true gunners will have enough self-motivation to study hard in a pass/fail as well. And it is definitely your academic performance over the 1st 2 years that best prepares you for Step 1. All the books you hear about are great review books, but they are just good review. You need a solid foundation from the 1st 2 years to fully utilize the review books and do really well.
 
More likely ucsf is just more honest.

This :thumbup:.

I can see why pre-med students would be interested in the avg. Step1 score of a school. But until what we are given is a non-self reported, verifiable number, then all this data is basically meaningless. I strongly advise the pre-meds reading this thread to talk to students at schools they're interested in about how the preparation was, instead of relying on the highly suspect numbers in this thread.
 
This :thumbup:.

I can see why pre-med students would be interested in the avg. Step1 score of a school. But until what we are given is a non-self reported, verifiable number, then all this data is basically meaningless. I strongly advise the pre-meds reading this thread to talk to students at schools they're interested in about how the preparation was, instead of relying on the highly suspect numbers in this thread.

anecdotal reports of how step 1 preparation went is even more subjective. it reflects even more individual differences than school-level differences.
 
anecdotal reports of how step 1 preparation went is even more subjective. it reflects even more individual differences than school-level differences.

I agree that step1 score depends much more on the individual then the school. But someone (even someone who nails boards in spite of their school), can give an accurate assessment of how well they feel that their school prepared them.

Of course people have no basis for comparison, but its still useful.
 
The more important factor may be to determine the school's grading system. A honor/high pass system motivates you to study more than a pass/fail program, although the true gunners will have enough self-motivation to study hard in a pass/fail as well. And it is definitely your academic performance over the 1st 2 years that best prepares you for Step 1. All the books you hear about are great review books, but they are just good review. You need a solid foundation from the 1st 2 years to fully utilize the review books and do really well.

Bingo. This is probably the most important take home point of this entire thread, and should be quoted and requoted ad nauseum.
 
Bingo. This is probably the most important take home point of this entire thread, and should be quoted and requoted ad nauseum.

This makes no sense to me.

Claim 1: school-level outcomes are meaningless.

Claim 2: school-level policy, i.e. grading system, is meaningful.
 
Baylor: 244, 239, 235 (2011/2010?, 2009, ?)
Case Western Reserve: 230 (SD=21; average 2007-2010); 235 (2011); 231 (2010)
Cleveland Clinic: 232 (2009; 100% pass), 229 (100% pass rate)
Columbia University: 241, 237, 235 (2012, 2010,2009)
Dartmouth: 236 (2009)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
Eastern Virginia Medical School (EVMS): 228 (2011)
FSU: 218 (class of 2011 96% pass)
Georgetown: 227
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 240, 238, 236, 234, 230 (2007, 2006, 2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 234
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
NYMC: 223 (2009)
NYU: 238 (2008)
Penn State: 227 (2009' 97% pass)
SUNY Upstate: 222 (2008)
SUNY Stony Brook: 233 (2011)
Texas Tech at El Paso: 226 (2011)
Texas Tech at Lubbock: 231 (2009)
Temple: ~215ish
Uchicago: 236.2 (2009), 247 (2010)
University of Cincinnati: 233
UConn: Step 1=219, Step 2=230
UMass: 2010, 91% pass
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002)
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002), 232 (2008)
University of Miami (Miami Campus)- 229
University of Miami (Boca Campus)- 234
University of Missouri - 229 (2010), 233 (2009)
University of Florida: 234, 227 (2005, 2004)
University of Iowa: 226, 224, 225, 223 (2010, 2009, 2008, 2002)
UIC-Chicago: 221 (2008, for c/o 2010, 99% pass)
University of Louisville: 222 (2009, 94% pass)
University of Michigan: 235, 237 (2008)
University of Pennsylvania: 238, 236, 234, 236, 235 (2006, 2005, 2004, 2003,2002)
University of Pittsburgh: 227 (2004 or earlier)
University of Southern California: 233 (2007)
USouthFlorida:~220
University of Virginia: 233 (SD = 20; 2011, 97% pass), 236 (SD=18; 2010, 99% pass); 233 (SD = 19; 2009; 97% pass); 235 (SD=17; 2008; 99% pass)
University of Toledo: 217
UT Houston: 232, 220 (2009, 2006)
UTHSCA: 225 (from LCME probation response email)
UTMB: 226 (2008)
UTSW: 233, 233, 230 (2008, 2007, 2006)
Vanderbilt: 237, 240, 243 (2007, 2008, 2009)
VCU: 225
UWash: ~215ish
Wake Forest: 219
WashU: 235
 
Baylor: 244, 239, 235 (2011/2010?, 2009, ?)
Case Western Reserve: 230 (SD=21; average 2007-2010); 235 (2011); 231 (2010)
Cleveland Clinic: 232 (2009; 100% pass), 229 (100% pass rate)
Columbia University: 241, 237, 235 (2012, 2010,2009)
Dartmouth: 236 (2009)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
Eastern Virginia Medical School (EVMS): 228 (2011)
FSU: 218 (class of 2011 96% pass)
Georgetown: 227
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 240, 238, 236, 234, 230 (2007, 2006, 2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 234
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
NYMC: 223 (2009)
NYU: 238 (2008)
Penn State: 227 (2009' 97% pass)
SUNY Upstate: 222 (2008)
SUNY Stony Brook: 233 (2011)
Texas Tech at El Paso: 226 (2011)
Texas Tech at Lubbock: 231 (2009)
Temple: 233 (2011)
Uchicago: 236.2 (2009), 247 (2010)
University of Cincinnati: 233
UConn: Step 1=219, Step 2=230
UMass: 2010, 91% pass
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002)
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002), 232 (2008)
University of Miami (Miami Campus)- 229
University of Miami (Boca Campus)- 234
University of Missouri - 229 (2010), 233 (2009)
University of Florida: 234, 227 (2005, 2004)
University of Iowa: 226, 224, 225, 223 (2010, 2009, 2008, 2002)
UIC-Chicago: 221 (2008, for c/o 2010, 99% pass)
University of Louisville: 222 (2009, 94% pass)
University of Michigan: 235, 237 (2008)
University of Pennsylvania: 238, 236, 234, 236, 235 (2006, 2005, 2004, 2003,2002)
University of Pittsburgh: 227 (2004 or earlier)
University of Southern California: 233 (2007)
USouthFlorida:~220
University of Virginia: 233 (SD = 20; 2011, 97% pass), 236 (SD=18; 2010, 99% pass); 233 (SD = 19; 2009; 97% pass); 235 (SD=17; 2008; 99% pass)
University of Toledo: 217
UT Houston: 232, 220 (2009, 2006)
UTHSCA: 225 (from LCME probation response email)
UTMB: 226 (2008)
UTSW: 233, 233, 230 (2008, 2007, 2006)
Vanderbilt: 237, 240, 243 (2007, 2008, 2009)
VCU: 225
UWash: ~215ish
Wake Forest: 219
WashU: 235
 
Shouldn't this be in the Step 1 forum?

Yes, I'm sure the IMG's and DO students there would love to see a random hodgepodge of allopathic US med school step 1 averages, of which some are outdated. They provide little to no utility whatsoever. Let's keep useful stuff on the Step 1 forum.
 
Yes, I'm sure the IMG's and DO students there would love to see a random hodgepodge of allopathic US med school step 1 averages, of which some are outdated. They provide little to no utility whatsoever. Let's keep useful stuff on the Step 1 forum.

What I'm trying to say is this thread is a bit out of place in preallo. It's best suited for allo or some other related subforum. But that's just my opinion though.
 
University of Missouri - Columbia Step I Average:
239 - 2012
 
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Baylor: 244, 239, 235 (2011/2010?, 2009, ?)
Case Western Reserve: 230 (SD=21; average 2007-2010); 235 (2011); 231 (2010)
Cleveland Clinic: 232 (2009; 100% pass), 229 (100% pass rate)
Columbia University: 241, 237, 235 (2012, 2010,2009)
Dartmouth: 236 (2009)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
Eastern Virginia Medical School (EVMS): 228 (2011)
FSU: 218 (class of 2011 96% pass)
Georgetown: 227
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 240, 238, 236, 234, 230 (2007, 2006, 2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 234
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
NYMC: 223 (2009)
NYU: 238 (2008)
Penn State: 227 (2009' 97% pass)
SUNY Upstate: 222 (2008)
SUNY Stony Brook: 233 (2011)
Texas Tech at El Paso: 226 (2011)
Texas Tech at Lubbock: 231 (2009)
Temple: 233 (2011)
Uchicago: 236.2 (2009), 247 (2010)
University of Cincinnati: 233
UConn: Step 1=219, Step 2=230
UMass: 2010, 91% pass
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002)
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002), 232 (2008)
University of Miami (Miami Campus)- 229
University of Miami (Boca Campus)- 234
University of Missouri (Kansas City?)- 229 (2010), 233 (2009)
University of Missouri Columbia – 239 (2012)
University of Florida: 234, 227 (2005, 2004)
University of Iowa: 226, 224, 225, 223 (2010, 2009, 2008, 2002)
UIC-Chicago: 221 (2008, for c/o 2010, 99% pass)
University of Louisville: 222 (2009, 94% pass)
University of Michigan: 235, 237 (2008)
University of Pennsylvania: 238, 236, 234, 236, 235 (2006, 2005, 2004, 2003,2002)
University of Pittsburgh: 227 (2004 or earlier)
University of Southern California: 233 (2007)
USouthFlorida:~220
University of Virginia: 233 (SD = 20; 2011, 97% pass), 236 (SD=18; 2010, 99% pass); 233 (SD = 19; 2009; 97% pass); 235 (SD=17; 2008; 99% pass)
University of Toledo: 217
UT Houston: 232, 220 (2009, 2006)
UTHSCA: 225 (from LCME probation response email)
UTMB: 226 (2008)
UTSW: 233, 233, 230 (2008, 2007, 2006)
Vanderbilt: 237, 240, 243 (2007, 2008, 2009)
VCU: 225
UWash: ~215ish
Wake Forest: 219
WashU: 235
 
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From the source it looks like those are Step II, not Step I, scores.

hah... feels like they're hoping people would make that mistake. also in that flyer what do step 2 CK scores have to do with PBL in the preclinical years? Some pretty deceptive marketing here that's trying to take advantage of the limited knowledge pre-meds have about the intricacies of med school.

Indeed they are! I'll fix it.

i suggest you delete the 2012 number too.... likely that is also not a step 2 CK average since the national average is in the 230s. For step 1 a 239 average is pretty absurd for a school like this
 
hah... feels like they're hoping people would make that mistake. also in that flyer what do step 2 CK scores have to do with PBL in the preclinical years? Some pretty deceptive marketing here that's trying to take advantage of the limited knowledge pre-meds have about the intricacies of med school.



i suggest you delete the 2012 number too.... likely that is also not a step 2 CK average since the national average is in the 230s. For step 1 a 239 average is pretty absurd for a school like this

I was told by admissions that their scores were "extremely high this year, and are always above average" and a medical student at Mizzou confirmed this. He specifically said Step I when he referred to the 239.

I misread the flier though. :laugh:
 
hah... feels like they're hoping people would make that mistake. also in that flyer what do step 2 CK scores have to do with PBL in the preclinical years? Some pretty deceptive marketing here that's trying to take advantage of the limited knowledge pre-meds have about the intricacies of med school.

I agree. Furthermore, a rising average step 2CK may indicate that more students are performing poorly on step 1, necessitating that they study harder and perform better on step 2 to compensate.
 
hah... feels like they're hoping people would make that mistake. also in that flyer what do step 2 CK scores have to do with PBL in the preclinical years? Some pretty deceptive marketing here that's trying to take advantage of the limited knowledge pre-meds have about the intricacies of med school.

There is probably something to the PBL claim. I have no study to prove it, but other schools that employ full time PBL seem to train excellent clinicians and have higher scores on step 2. Again, anecdotal, but our dean told us this past year that over a quarter of our class scored over 250 on step 2 (corroborated by talking to a number of classmates). Making things clinical from day 1 makes the transition to Y3 easier (less time figuring out how to take an H&P, etc.) and more time applying clinical knowledge.

Or maybe it's all horse****. Seemed to work for me though.
 
There is probably something to the PBL claim. I have no study to prove it, but other schools that employ full time PBL seem to train excellent clinicians and have higher scores on step 2. Again, anecdotal, but our dean told us this past year that over a quarter of our class scored over 250 on step 2 (corroborated by talking to a number of classmates). Making things clinical from day 1 makes the transition to Y3 easier (less time figuring out how to take an H&P, etc.) and more time applying clinical knowledge.

Or maybe it's all horse****. Seemed to work for me though.

Higher Step 2 scores:
Ob/gyn residents in Hawaii

Sometimes higher Step 1 and Step 2 scores:
Mizzou vs national average, controlled for MCAT and undergrad GPA

Better clerkship performance but no difference in USMLEs:
PBL vs standard track at SIU
 
Baylor: 244, 239, 235 (2011/2010?, 2009, ?)
Case Western Reserve: 230 (SD=21; average 2007-2010); 235 (2011); 231 (2010)
Cleveland Clinic: 232 (2009; 100% pass), 229 (100% pass rate)
Columbia University: 241, 237, 235 (2012, 2010,2009)
Dartmouth: 236 (2009)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
Eastern Virginia Medical School (EVMS): 228 (2011)
FSU: 218 (class of 2011 96% pass)
Georgetown: 227
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 240, 238, 236, 234, 230 (2007, 2006, 2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 234
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
NYMC: 223 (2009)
NYU: 238 (2008)
Penn State: 227 (2009' 97% pass)
SUNY Upstate: 222 (2008)
SUNY Stony Brook: 233 (2011)
Texas Tech at El Paso: 226 (2011)
Texas Tech at Lubbock: 231 (2009)
Temple: 233 (2011)
Uchicago: 236.2 (2009), 247 (2010)
University of Cincinnati: 233
UConn: Step 1=219, Step 2=230
UMass: 2010, 91% pass
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002)
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002), 232 (2008)
University of Miami (Miami Campus)- 229
University of Miami (Boca Campus)- 234
University of Missouri (Kansas City?)- 229 (2010), 233 (2009)
University of Missouri Columbia – 239 (2012)
University of Florida: 234, 227 (2005, 2004)
University of Iowa: 226, 228, 235 (2010, 2011, 2012)
UIC-Chicago: 221 (2008, for c/o 2010, 99% pass)
University of Louisville: 222 (2009, 94% pass)
University of Michigan: 235, 237 (2008)
University of Pennsylvania: 238, 236, 234, 236, 235 (2006, 2005, 2004, 2003,2002)
University of Pittsburgh: 227 (2004 or earlier)
University of Southern California: 233 (2007)
USouthFlorida:~220
University of Virginia: 233 (SD = 20; 2011, 97% pass), 236 (SD=18; 2010, 99% pass); 233 (SD = 19; 2009; 97% pass); 235 (SD=17; 2008; 99% pass)
University of Toledo: 217
UT Houston: 232, 220 (2009, 2006)
UTHSCA: 225 (from LCME probation response email)
UTMB: 226 (2008)
UTSW: 233, 233, 230 (2008, 2007, 2006)
Vanderbilt: 237, 240, 243 (2007, 2008, 2009)
VCU: 225
UWash: ~215ish
Wake Forest: 219
WashU: 235
 
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