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Good day, this is a msg for international trained dentists.

After much research I believe the Rochester Eastman Dental Center, AEGD program for international trained dentists is the best in the country. This program is 2 years in length and allows dentists to sit for the NERB, WERBS and other clinical exams upon completion of the 2 years. However, one does not receive a DDS degree but a AEGD certificate which is ADA accrediated as a 2 year program. BUT the best thing about this program is that it is subsidized by the unversity ....which means no tution..so you save 250 000.

Now the stats for this program...which are a lot more competitive than advanced placement programs.

application fee: 100 USD
interviews for this year 2005: around 300
acceptances: 6 for June and 4 for dec 2006. So 10 total.
Requirements: Part 1 and Part 2 and experience. However, some students have been accepted without part 1 and 2 in the past, but had MA, Phd, or were specialists in there respected countries.

This is the only program in North America which is free and allows international students to obtain a licence after completion.



Good luck.

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Lucus said:
Good day, this is a msg for international trained dentists.

After much research I believe the Rochester Eastman Dental Center, AEGD program for international trained dentists is the best in the country. This program is 2 years in length and allows dentists to sit for the NERB, WERBS and other clinical exams upon completion of the 2 years. However, one does not receive a DDS degree but a AEGD certificate which is ADA accrediated as a 2 year program. BUT the best thing about this program is that it is subsidized by the unversity ....which means no tution..so you save 250 000.

Now the stats for this program...which are a lot more competitive than advanced placement programs.

application fee: 100 USD
interviews for this year 2005: around 300
acceptances: 6 for June and 4 for dec 2006. So 10 total.
Requirements: Part 1 and Part 2 and experience. However, some students have been accepted without part 1 and 2 in the past, but had MA, Phd, or were specialists in there respected countries.

This is the only program in North America which is free and allows international students to obtain a licence after completion.



HI!

What are you saying is great...where can we find more details about this program?



All the best,
 
Lucus said:
Good day, this is a msg for international trained dentists.

After much research I believe the Rochester Eastman Dental Center, AEGD program for international trained dentists is the best in the country. This program is 2 years in length and allows dentists to sit for the NERB, WERBS and other clinical exams upon completion of the 2 years. However, one does not receive a DDS degree but a AEGD certificate which is ADA accrediated as a 2 year program. BUT the best thing about this program is that it is subsidized by the unversity ....which means no tution..so you save 250 000.

Now the stats for this program...which are a lot more competitive than advanced placement programs.

application fee: 100 USD
interviews for this year 2005: around 300
acceptances: 6 for June and 4 for dec 2006. So 10 total.
Requirements: Part 1 and Part 2 and experience. However, some students have been accepted without part 1 and 2 in the past, but had MA, Phd, or were specialists in there respected countries.

This is the only program in North America which is free and allows international students to obtain a licence after completion.



Good luck.
Hey,
are you sure it's free?
 
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Lucus said:
Good day, this is a msg for international trained dentists.

After much research I believe the Rochester Eastman Dental Center, AEGD program for international trained dentists is the best in the country. This program is 2 years in length and allows dentists to sit for the NERB, WERBS and other clinical exams upon completion of the 2 years. However, one does not receive a DDS degree but a AEGD certificate which is ADA accrediated as a 2 year program. BUT the best thing about this program is that it is subsidized by the unversity ....which means no tution..so you save 250 000.

Now the stats for this program...which are a lot more competitive than advanced placement programs.

application fee: 100 USD
interviews for this year 2005: around 300
acceptances: 6 for June and 4 for dec 2006. So 10 total.
Requirements: Part 1 and Part 2 and experience. However, some students have been accepted without part 1 and 2 in the past, but had MA, Phd, or were specialists in there respected countries.

This is the only program in North America which is free and allows international students to obtain a licence after completion.



Good luck.
Hi lucus, I am also want to know more about these program, thanks for the information.
 
Actually better still this program gives a stippend of 5000/yearly to accepted students.
Rochester Eastman Dental Center is located in Rochester, New York.

For more information:

Contact: Marilyn Foy, Executive Secretary
585-275-8315
 
thanks for the info,luke! :thumbup:
Lucus said:
Actually better still this program gives a stippend of 5000/yearly to accepted students.
Rochester Eastman Dental Center is located in Rochester, New York.

For more information:

Contact: Marilyn Foy, Executive Secretary
585-275-8315
 
Lucus said:
Good day, this is a msg for international trained dentists.

After much research I believe the Rochester Eastman Dental Center, AEGD program for international trained dentists is the best in the country. This program is 2 years in length and allows dentists to sit for the NERB, WERBS and other clinical exams upon completion of the 2 years. However, one does not receive a DDS degree but a AEGD certificate which is ADA accrediated as a 2 year program. BUT the best thing about this program is that it is subsidized by the unversity ....which means no tution..so you save 250 000.

Now the stats for this program...which are a lot more competitive than advanced placement programs.

application fee: 100 USD
interviews for this year 2005: around 300
acceptances: 6 for June and 4 for dec 2006. So 10 total.
Requirements: Part 1 and Part 2 and experience. However, some students have been accepted without part 1 and 2 in the past, but had MA, Phd, or were specialists in there respected countries.

This is the only program in North America which is free and allows international students to obtain a licence after completion.



Good luck.

Good posting lucus. Very useful info.
 
Since this program offers a certificate and not a degree, I don't think it will be acceptable everywhere in the states, some states do want a DDS or DMD degree as a licensure req.
 
How many states do you want to practice in??

This program allows you to practice in up to 17 states: including all the popular ones, such as California, New York, Washington.

For a complete list I can add the rest. However, some states state that they need a DDS./DMD such as Arizona, however after speaking to them if the wreb is taken and the director writes a letter to confirm the ada program, one can practice there. So, I think many other states would likely do the same.
 
Lucus said:
How many states do you want to practice in??

This program allows you to practice in up to 17 states: including all the popular ones, such as California, New York, Washington.

For a complete list I can add the rest. However, some states state that they need a DDS./DMD such as Arizona, however after speaking to them if the wreb is taken and the director writes a letter to confirm the ada program, one can practice there. So, I think many other states would likely do the same.

Sounds like a great option.
 
Thanks For A Great Information Lucus
 
Great info dude. Thanks for u'r contribution. :D
jojo out
 
Hi lucus,
I was wondering if you have been accepted into this program!!!!!!!!!!! Have you been??
 
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Actually no I have not been accepted because I already have a BSc. and DDS from an Accrediated School, as I was born here. The reason why I posted this information for everyone is because a lot of my relatives have done BDS in India and wanted to know the best option in how to obtain a dental licence.

The Rochester Program is exactly like the 2 year certificate program at the University of Florida. However, the biggest difference is that:

1. you dont have to have a green card or be a US citizen.

2. You dont have to pay 47 000/year for non florida residents or 15 500 for florida residents....because at Rochester program is actually stippend at 5000/year (So you get paid...you cant beat that ever)

3 Florida is warm...Rochester is cold....

Similarities include:

1. Class size is roughly 12 students a year.
2. One can practice in upto 16 states. More if you get the director to submitt a letter to respected dental licencing boards.


Just aside....I know how hard it must be for international students trying to get into the States or Canada. I really respect eveyones courage and determination in trying to obtain admissions...its a grueling process. But trust me Dentistry is by far the best field in this country.

Good Luck to everyone.
 
Good post Lucus. Thanks a lot for all the information.
 
Lucus said:
Actually no I have not been accepted because I already have a BSc. and DDS from an Accrediated School, as I was born here. The reason why I posted this information for everyone is because a lot of my relatives have done BDS in India and wanted to know the best option in how to obtain a dental licence.

The Rochester Program is exactly like the 2 year certificate program at the University of Florida. However, the biggest difference is that:

1. you dont have to have a green card or be a US citizen.

2. You dont have to pay 47 000/year for non florida residents or 15 500 for florida residents....because at Rochester program is actually stippend at 5000/year (So you get paid...you cant beat that ever)

3 Florida is warm...Rochester is cold....

Similarities include:

1. Class size is roughly 12 students a year.
2. One can practice in upto 16 states. More if you get the director to submitt a letter to respected dental licencing boards.


Just aside....I know how hard it must be for international students trying to get into the States or Canada. I really respect eveyones courage and determination in trying to obtain admissions...its a grueling process. But trust me Dentistry is by far the best field in this country.

Good Luck to everyone.
hi lucas, good post. u mentioned that the AEGD from this school is valid in 16 states, so plz can u list them to me. coz i did some research myself and found only 4 states that accept it, and that too , if this is an accredited pregram. plz throw some light on this aspect
thanks
mkot
 
Taken From The ADA website directly
http://www.ada.org/prof/ed/programs/search_advanced_us.asp



University of Rochester Eastman Department of Dentistry
625 Elmwood Avenue
Rochester, NY 14620
Web Address: www.urmc.rochester.edu/dentistry/
Program Information:

Program: Advanced Education in General Dentistry 24 Months
Program Director: Dr. Hans S. Malmstrom
Phone: (585) 275-5087
Accreditation Status: Approval without Reporting Requirements
Last Accreditation Visit: 2004
Next Accreditation Visit: 2011

SO THE PROGRAM IS ACCREDIATED FROM ADA (INTERNATIONAL PROGRAM FOR 24 MONTHS (2 YEARS))

Now for which states does this program allow one to practice in...I heard its the same states as which the University of Florida Certificate allows. This is taken from there website:
http://www.dental.ufl.edu/Offices/Admissions/FTD/FAQ.html

What states accept the certificate from the 2-year Foreign Trained Dentist program?

There are about 16 states that currently will accept the certificate from the 2-year Foreign Trained Program. However, these states can change their policies regarding the certificate. If you want to use the certificate to take a dental board exam in another state, it is your responsibility to contact the state dental board in that state to be sure that state will accept the certificate. We certify that the certificate you earn in the 2-year Foreign Trained Dentist program will allow you to take the Dental Licensure Exam in Florida only.

HOWEVER AFTER SEARCHING THE ACCREDIATION OF THIS PROGRAM (2 YEAR CERTIFICATE FROM FLORIDA..I COULD NOT FIND IT BEING ACCREDIATED)

GOOD LUCK
 
Hi,this thread is great but unfortunately i couldnt find the list of the 16 states that would accept the aegd program and allow dentist to practice .Also i do not understand the limitations of this program,i mean one is that u cannot study further if u need to after aegsd right?? Also do they expect very high scores in part 1 and 2.if anyone has more info regd this plz post.
 
Actually one can go onto specialization after completing this program, for example the Pedo program in Rochester has accepted one graduate every year for many years now, many other residents go on to do a GPR (which is very attainable) and others participate in clinical exams such as NERBS, California Boards, WREBS and practice.

I will get the complete list of states and update this information.
 
Lucus said:
Actually one can go onto specialization after completing this program, for example the Pedo program in Rochester has accepted one graduate every year for many years now, many other residents go on to do a GPR (which is very attainable) and others participate in clinical exams such as NERBS, California Boards, WREBS and practice.

I will get the complete list of states and update this information.

hi lucas, i called the ADA and confirmed that this program is accredited. also i logged on to most od the state websites and checked which states accept it. ADA brochure says texas and georgia accept it, and so does oregon,etc, but they actually dont, so , the ADA information is a little misleading., i also called california state board and talked to them , they said it is mandatory to have a 2 yr predoctral course [ dds or dmd] to be eligible for california license.
do u have any more information regarding this course?
thanks for ur reply
mkot
 
Actually...one has to present a letter from the dean stating that the program is equal to the DDS program..eg. courses/clinical exp. at that point an evaluation is done.
There are many residents whom have graduated from this program and are practicing in California..there are a couple in the program right now from California..
For a names of some graduates or for verification..You can call the secretary of the program and ask for additional information.
 
Lucus said:
Actually...one has to present a letter from the dean stating that the program is equal to the DDS program..eg. courses/clinical exp. at that point an evaluation is done.
There are many residents whom have graduated from this program and are practicing in California..there are a couple in the program right now from California..
For a names of some graduates or for verification..You can call the secretary of the program and ask for additional information.

thanks for all the trouble your taking for foreign trained dentists.
 
hey...Lucas..good stuff ...sounds gr88..m goin thru the site....will doin 1 yr AEGD (say NYU/Bu etc program increase the chances of getting into {Aegd program(2yrs)..licensing program???? the next yr} will that be counted as "The Experience" you are talking about??

Thanks 1ce again...this was much needed guys...wat say Foreign Trained Dentists???
 
hai
that would b great help,i'm in tampa,so i'm keen on joining university of florida,so can u give more information about this.
thanks


Lucus said:
Actually one can go onto specialization after completing this program, for example the Pedo program in Rochester has accepted one graduate every year for many years now, many other residents go on to do a GPR (which is very attainable) and others participate in clinical exams such as NERBS, California Boards, WREBS and practice.

I will get the complete list of states and update this information.
 
Lucus said:
Taken From The ADA website directly
http://www.ada.org/prof/ed/programs/search_advanced_us.asp
SO THE PROGRAM IS ACCREDIATED FROM ADA (INTERNATIONAL PROGRAM FOR 24 MONTHS (2 YEARS))

HOWEVER AFTER SEARCHING THE ACCREDIATION OF THIS PROGRAM (2 YEAR CERTIFICATE FROM FLORIDA..I COULD NOT FIND IT BEING ACCREDIATED)

GOOD LUCK
Yes. That is true.
I interviewed this year at UF's 2 year FTD certificate program, and it is NOT accredited by the ADA's COADP (Council On Accrediation for Dental Programs).
Thanks Lucus for the time and efforts. All is appreciated.
Good luck in whatever you are doing now.
 
wow !! this is great news for all the foreign trained dentists...wondering how tough the competition is going to be ( to get admitted ) :confused:
 
dear i have a foreign degree of batchelors of dental surgery...does this programme consider us too?i mean batchelors in dentistry from foreign country?and i dint get the meaning of this narb and werbs?could you please help me in this..thanks
 
I think that this is grate, but can you tell me if people ending this program can work in florida? Thanks
 
dear friends,, the info about AEGD program is great and very exciting too,the idea of not paying any fee and getting a stipend too plus an equal chance for a shot at the licence is wonderful, but ppl just think about it, why!why would a program at just one place will be allowed all this when there are other schools conducting 2 or even 3 yr programs?
licencing myth---NERB does NOT and i repeat does NOT allow AEGD program students to take it\s exam.. just goto www.nerb.org and read FAQ
AEGD students or students with other postgraduate degrees are not eligible for the ADLEX ,you got to have a DDS or DMD
following is the text straight from their website

Dental Candidates:
  1. Graduates who received a DDS or DMD degree from schools accredited by the American Dental Association Commission on Dental Accreditation (ADA/CODA) or by the Commission on Dental Accreditation of Canada (CDAC) are eligible to apply to take the NERB Examination in Dentistry upon presentation of proof of graduation.
  2. Senior students of record attending a school accredited by the ADA/CODA or the CDAC are eligible to apply to take the NERB Examination in Dentistry when the Dean (or designated school official) certifies, in writing, that the candidate is expected to complete all academic requirements and receive a DDS or DMD degree within 45 days of the scheduled Restorative, Periodontal, Prosthodontic and Endodontic Examinations in Dentistry and that the candidate is sufficiently prepared to participate in the examination. Also candidates entering their senior year of dental school at an accredited dental school who are applying for the CIF Format of the ADLEX Examination.
  3. Students enrolled in Advanced Standing Programs accredited by the American Dental Association Commission on Dental Accreditation or by the Commission on Dental Accreditation of Canada must be certified by the Dean (or designated school official) of a dental school accredited by the ADA/CODA or the CDAC that the candidate will receive a DDS or DMD degree from that school within 45 days of the scheduled Restorative, Periodontal, Prosthodontic and Endodontic Examinations.
  4. Dentists who have not been granted a DDS or DMD degree from a school accredited by the American Dental Association Commission on Dental Accreditation or by the Commission on Dental Accreditation of Canada but are currently in or have completed a postgraduate program accredited by the ADA/CODA or the CDAC are NOT eligible for examination for the ADLEX examination accepted in more than 40 states. These individuals may apply and be considered for the “State-Only” Examinations offered by the NERB pending receipt of the appropriate state authorizations. Details may be obtained by contacting the NERB
 
First of all let me repeat myself for the 100th time. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO SIT FOR THE NERB WREB AND OTHER CLINICAL BOARDS. WHY DON'T YOU JUST CALL THE SCHOOL AND ASK THEM, ITS VERY SIMPLE. WHEN I WAS IN THE PROGRAM I PERSONALLY HELPED INTERNATIONAL STUDENTS WITH THE NERB AND WREB, AND NOW THERE PRACTICING IN NY AND WASHINGTON.
 
Well, Lucus is right. If you are an FTD who finished an accredited 2 year psotgrad residency,you can be accepted to take the NERB or WREB IF and only IF you contact a state board that accepts such program for licensure and ask them for permission to take the board exam. The state board will send a letter to the testing agency letting them know that you are eligible for licensure in their state, thus allowing you to take that board exam.
 
Hi
Just been onto the website for the AEGD programme....
it seems you need a DDS before you can apply...
I guess the saying goes ...if its too good to be true...it usually is!!:(

Here is something i pulled up....

Associated General Dentistry Training Programs of Rochester [FONT=Arial,Arial]University of Rochester at Eastman Dental Center University of Rochester at Strong Memorial Hospital Rochester General Hospital, Rochester, New York .[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Good Day~ .
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]
Thank you for inquiring about the Associated General Dentistry Training Programs of Rochester (AGDTPR).
You will find all of our information and application forms on the Dentistry Website at http://www.urmc.rochester.edu/dentistry/education/index.cfm. This information describes training
opportunities at Eastman Dental Center. You will find that the Web includes a question and answer segment that might be helpful. We look forward to receiving your application.

Hospitals can only consider applications from graduates of foreign dental schools that are eligible for a New York State license. Our policy requires that the candidate has a D.D.S. or D.M.D. degree from a school accredited by the American Dental Association. Unfortunately, dentists trained outside of North America cannot apply for this program.

Dentists trained outside of North America can apply to our two-year International Dental Postgraduate Program in General Dentistry at Eastman Dental Center.​
.[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]There is a $125 application fee (payable by check or money order) to apply. .
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Please fill out the first section of the "Letter of Recommendation" form from the Website and send it
to each referee listed on Page 4 of the application. Personal letters are also welcome if the referee prefers that way. Also, please have your original dental school transcripts sent to our office. You should also include your score if you completed the National Boards.

We must receive your application by​
.[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]October .[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]8.[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman], 2007 .[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]for the program beginning June, 2008. You will improve your chances for acceptance to the program by scheduling an interview .[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]after .[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]we have received your application and the supporting documents. This includes the three (3) letters of recommendation and your dental school transcripts. .
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Interviews are conducted between August 31 and December 14, 2007.
.[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Applicants must schedule their own appointments for interviews by Friday, October 1, 2007. .[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]Please call Mona Fine, the department secretary, at 585-275-5087 or e-mail your request for an appointment to ([email protected]). .
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]
The International Dental Postgraduate Program in General Dentistry does not participate in the Postdoctoral Dental Matching Program.
Thank you for your interest in the Associated General Dentistry Training Programs of Rochester.

Sincerely,
Marilyn Foy, Executive Secretary

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ASSOCIATED GENERAL DENTISTRY
TRAINING PROGRAMS OF ROCHESTER​
.[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]
Phone: 585-275-8315
Fax: 585-276-0293
E-mail: [email protected]
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Yes It Is True You Need A Dds/dmd From An Accrediated School To Join The Gpr Program. But First You Must Complete The International Dental Program (2 Years), Which You Do Not Need A Dds Or Dmd From North America. After Completing The Program You Can Apply To The Hosptial Gpr Program, As You Are On Par With Accrediated Dds Students.

If You Call The Smh Gpr Program You Will Find Out That 6 Of The 8 Residents Are From The International Aegd Program This Year.

Good Luck
 
hi lucus. ur iformation was very very useful.thanks for takin pains n efforts to know abt this program and posting it here.i really appreciate you for this.
but in the end i got a little confused as do we need a accredited dds degree for this or only our nbde score part 1 wud do.
 
No you do not need a DDS/DMD from an accrediated dental school to join the 2 year International dental program.

Yes you must complete the international dental prgrom or have an accrediated DDS/DMD to join the GPR hospital program.
 
Thanks for the information. Can you give any contact information who are practing in california after completion of AEGD PROGRAM in rochester.
Your help is highly apprecited.
 
Hi ,
Thank you for your information for foreign graduates. I contacted to NY Dental Board. To be able to enter any residency program in NY State you suppose to have DDS or DMD degree. If you are FTD, you have to finish at least accredited advanced program, which gives you DMD or DDS. No other way. AEGD program in Rochester is a residency program.
 
Hi ,
Thank you for your information for foreign graduates. I contacted to NY Dental Board. To be able to enter any residency program in NY State you suppose to have DDS or DMD degree. If you are FTD, you have to finish at least accredited advanced program, which gives you DMD or DDS. No other way. AEGD program in Rochester is a residency program.

first of all thanks a lot to lucus who gave us very valuable information and did very well to explain all the questions.
to clear some doubt, the NY state indeed has a limited permit for foreign dentist that you can apply for and need to renew every year. if u r selected by the program and when the mentor provide the necessary document for you, there should be no problem. pls check the link here http://www.op.nysed.gov/dentlic.htm
cheers!
 
My advice is to avoid apparent 'shortcuts' in gaining licensure in the US. MAYBE its true that this AEGD can help FTDs get licensed in a small number of states (although I am dubious). But the fact is, you aren't gaining any time by doing it. In the event you are accepted (good luck now that every FTD with a pulse and a tourist visa will be applying) you will be severly limited in which states you will be able to apply for full licensure. Many states will only license non DDS dentists to work under limited educational licenses. If you gain licesure and later something changes in life and you have to move to another state (maybe for family reasons) you could easily find yourself unable to gain licensure in the new state due to not having a DDS.

Think about it.
 
Hey Lucus, can I have your e- mail?
 
hey guys
what's the difference between GPR and AEGD ???
and which one is better and easy to be accepted for the FTDs ?
 
Hey lucus..
I am a dentist from India..I live in Milwaukee wisconsin..and I got accepted at AEGD at Marquette university here in Milwaukee..My problem is I also got accepted at AP program at NYU..but that is very very costly and I will have to stay away from my husband for 3 years...dont want that..but I do not know the worth of this AEGD I got in..can you please help me with this?..If I have to join NYU i will have to from 2nd june..so if u can please reply me soon...
tcquote=Lucus;5124381]No you do not need a DDS/DMD from an accrediated dental school to join the 2 year International dental program.

Yes you must complete the international dental prgrom or have an accrediated DDS/DMD to join the GPR hospital program.[/quote]
 
Hey lucus..
I am a dentist from India..I live in Milwaukee wisconsin..and I got accepted at AEGD at Marquette university here in Milwaukee..My problem is I also got accepted at AP program at NYU..but that is very very costly and I will have to stay away from my husband for 3 years...dont want that..but I do not know the worth of this AEGD I got in..can you please help me with this?..If I have to join NYU i will have to from 2nd june..so if u can please reply me soon...
tcquote=Lucus;5124381]No you do not need a DDS/DMD from an accrediated dental school to join the 2 year International dental program.

Yes you must complete the international dental prgrom or have an accrediated DDS/DMD to join the GPR hospital program.
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if u do do the marquette program and do another one year of AEGD u can take a license in the NE states like ohio , and i know a freind who did that , so i think it will be cheaper for u and less time, but u need to make know that u need at least 2 years to take the license in those states, NYU will give u DDS that will allow u to practice anywhere , but at the end u will stay in one state.....so u weigh things and make up ur mind
i wish that helped
 
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