per amcas twitter, sound's like the word is out on getting in apps EARLY
per amcas twitter, sound's like the word is out on getting in apps EARLY
Can I submit my primary without letters of recs or will I have to re-verify when i have all my LOR's ready?
Can I submit my primary without letters of recs or will I have to re-verify when i have all my LOR's ready?
I bet 75% of them are gunning for Harvard/Hopkins/Upenn/UCSF with 3.999/39 mcat/1st author publications.
Medical school is getting more competitive by the year...
Good luck ya'll.
Time to add more safeties!
These things are in cyclical fluxes. 1996 was a very competitive year, and then it got easier up until 2010 when the economy went bad.
Applications to graduate schools go up during bad economic times, but decline once the economy starts to improve.
cause up until 2010 the economy was really good
What's your point?
The recession started in 2008.
Also, the economy itself actually started seeing recovery around 2010-2011. It's just that there has been very little job creation associated with this recovery.
The recession started in 2008.
Also, the economy itself actually started seeing recovery around 2010-2011. It's just that there has been very little job creation associated with this recovery.
I don't really buy into the idea that a recession makes things more competitive. It may inflate the numbers, but the kind of person who's primary reason for applying to med school is "well I couldn't find a job out of college like I thought I could so I guess I'll just go to med school as a way to pass the time lol" doesn't really seem like the kind of person who is going to be very competitive at any school.
Also, isn't the average number of apps per year something like 40,000? 11,000 only seems like a lot when you take it out of context.
I bet 75% of them are gunning for Harvard/Hopkins/Upenn/UCSF with 3.999/39 mcat/1st author publications.
Even though the number of applicants is going up -- the number of new med school seats is SKYROCKETING. There have been over 50 new/planned med schools over the last 5-6 years. Even the existing med schools are all adding extra seats.
When you add up all those extra slots, med school is getting EASIER to get into, not harder. I suspect you will see the acceptance increase over the 50% threshold.
Over 50?? Uh, try 18, and that's including the six schools that don't even have preliminary accreditation. http://www.lcme.org/newschoolprocess.htm
For those saying that Med School is getting less competitive, look at the statistics.
GPA and MCAT have skyrocketed much more than seats. GPA inflation may account for some, but MCAT is steady. Medical schools focus much more on the MCAT than they have in the past. Note: The average MCAT for a matriculate is about 32 now.
Even though the number of applicants is going up -- the number of new med school seats is SKYROCKETING. There have been over 50 new/planned med schools over the last 5-6 years. Even the existing med schools are all adding extra seats.
That doesnt count DO programs and it also doesnt count the numerous press releases regarding new schools that have not yet submitted the $25,000 fee for initial processing to the LCME.
Here's a more comprehensive list, 3-5 of these programs have withdrawn their attempt, but its still a better sample of whats actually happening because it includes ALL programs, not just MD:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=825147
For those saying that Med School is getting less competitive, look at the statistics.
According to that link it's a 31.
Average matriculant MCAT was still 31.1 in 2011. https://www.aamc.org/download/161692/data/table18.pdfThe link only goes to 2010.
2012 statistics indicate the trend is continuing to go higher and higher every year. Unfortunately I don't have time to find/link it.
You can see this if you peek at the 2012-13 MSAR, schools across the board have increased their median MCAT scores. Top tiers have gone from medians of about 35 to between 36 and 38. Even 'low-tier' schools often known as 'safeties' are almost all in the 30s now.
Great. So much for applying early.
Your list includes some schools that are nowhere near actually starting up the school (Wisconsin College of Osteopathic Medicine, University of Houston, Center for Allied Health Nursing, Barry University)
It includes schools founded over 5-6 years ago (VCOM) and expansions of long-standing medical schools ("existing med schools adding extra seats"). (MSUx3, Temple, Univ of Washington, U of AZ).
I don't have the time to look into all of them, but I'm sure there are many more on that list that haven't really been anything beyond "under discussion" for several years.
I'm not arguing that there hasn't been a small surge in new medical schools, particularly DO schools. But I was trying to point out that that list was somewhat misleading, because many of the schools on it are in the very early stages of discussion, with very few mentions of the proposals online, or have encountered significant hurdles that may halt their ability to nice forward for quite some time. I live in Wisconsin and I know the COM has been "proposed" for a long time without ever moving forward due to a variety of serious issues.
I don't really buy into the idea that a recession makes things more competitive. It may inflate the numbers, but the kind of person who's primary reason for applying to med school is "well I couldn't find a job out of college like I thought I could so I guess I'll just go to med school as a way to pass the time lol" doesn't really seem like the kind of person who is going to be very competitive at any school.
Also, isn't the average number of apps per year something like 40,000? 11,000 only seems like a lot when you take it out of context.
I am merely attempting to compile a more accurate list. Only three osteopathic schools appear ready for launch.
In the allopathic world, three are on deck:
University of California, Riverside School of Medicine
Frank H. Netter MD School of Medicine at Quinnipiac University
Western Michigan University School of Medicine
Three more are in the hole:
California Northstate University College of Medicine
Palm Beach Medical College
King School of Medicine and Health Science Center
An additional seven have received preliminary accreditation.