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Yogi Bear

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no...this isn't the real deal. :laugh: there was quite a bit of interest in last year's predictions thread so figured i'd post a new one. actual rankings go out first week of april. let the flaming begin! :hardy:

harvard
hopkins
wash u stl
upenn
duke
ucsf
columbia
stanford
yale
umich
uwash
ucla
baylor
cornell
ucsd
vanderbilt
 

ndi_amaka

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Where is baylor's name???

And just to show favoritism.....UTSW will definietely be in the top 15 this year. *crosses fingers*
 

Yogi Bear

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Originally posted by ndi_amaka
Where is baylor's name???

And just to show favoritism.....UTSW will definietely be in the top 15 this year. *crosses fingers*

whoops...forgot to add them (shows you how resourceful my methodology is)...hehe
 

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I think UCLA will hit top 10! :D

Nah, I think it'll be in the "early teens" for a while.
 

Bad Mojo

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So far, you guys are all close but just a little bit off. Here is how its going to break down.

UT Southwestern
harvard
hopkins
upenn
duke
WUSTL
ucsf
columbia
yale
stanford
umich
uwash
baylor
ucla
cornell
vanderbilt
ucsd

That's right, UTSW is going to make the jump to the top. For years, they have been one of the dominant forces in the south, but haven't got the national credit from the big east coast schools. Look for them to make a run in the tourney. They been poised for years to take the title from the Harvards and Hopkinses, they just had to wait for the right time. With this years recruiting class, they should have the talent and depth to go all the way.
 

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This is my prediction: you heard it here first.

1. harvard
2. washu
3. hopkins
4. duke
5. Penn
6. Columbia
6. UCSF
8. Stanford
9. Yale
9. Michigan
11. Cornell
12. Baylor
12. Washington

I predict Hopkins becomes a little more concerned with their MCAT scores after last year's scare. unfortunately, it takes two cycles for this to show up. because the rankings come out in april after all major hopkins decisions have been made.

I also predict that while HMS remains in the top spot, it will now begin to distance itself from the pack. Watch for the overall ranking of Harvard (100) to put some distance between itself and last year's hopkins and washu which were 97 each. I predict these scores will fall to 95 and 96 respectively.
 

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somebody will probably kill me over this, but here is my prediction:

1 ucsf
2 u mich
3 u wash
4 ucla
5 ucsd
6 utsw
7 uoa
8 uoi
9 uva
10 u wisconsin
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you see the trend. go public schools!!
 

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Originally posted by fuzzylogic
somebody will probably kill me over this, but here is my prediction:

1 ucsf
2 u mich
3 u wash
4 ucla
5 ucsd
6 utsw
7 uoa
8 uoi
9 uva
10 u wisconsin
.

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you see the trend. go public schools!!

:horns: rock on...go UCs!
 

Gleevec

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LOL this thread has gone from bad to just plain stupid.
 

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Frankly, I don't care WHAT the rankings say. I'm not basing one iota of my decision on where to attend on that list.
 

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We've gone from paying too much attention to the dumb US news rankings to creating our own dumb rankings. What progress.
 

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Case better make a jump with the newly added NIH funding from Cleveland Clinic, and the new curriculum which should increase the reputation score, otherwise USNEWS sucks, Case was once 15! What the hell happened.

My Prediction:
1. Harvard
2. JHU
3. Wash U
4. Duke
5. UCSF
6.Penn
7. Yale
8.Stanford
9. Columbia
10. Cornell
11. U Mich
12. U Washington
13. UCLA
14. Baylor
15. CCLCM
16. Vanderbilt
17. Emory
18. Case Western
19. Mayo Medical School
20. UT Southwestern
21. UCSD
22. UPitt
 
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Gleevec

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Im really surprised there was "quite a bit of interest in last year's projections" seeing how this whole thread is an exercise in futility.

I just love how people are ranking their schools way above where they were in 2004, because they added this or that. Please, every school is making improvements. Think Red Queen. You gotta keep running just to stay where you are.

So I think the person who puts down the 2004 rankings as his prediction will be more right than anyone else on this thread, especially if the methodology remains the same.
 

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I don't see much movement in the rankings unless there is a drastic change in NIH funding for a particular school unless they totally change the methedology. Also I think since the new CCLCM is part of Case they will be only ranked once together. Now that added funding from the Cleveland clinic may help raise case's rankings.
 

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Hey, why is U Pitt so low?! They've been moving UP in the rankings, not down!

My Prediction..

1. Harvard
2. JHU
3. Wash U
4. Duke
5. UCSF
6.Penn
7. Yale
8.Stanford
9. Columbia
10. Cornell
11. U Mich
12. U Washington
13. UCLA
14. Baylor
15. U Pitt
16. Vanderbilt
17. Emory
18. Baylor
19. Mayo Medical School
20. UT Southwestern
21. UCSD
22. Case Western ;)
 
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why is everyone pushing ucsd down so many slots??

i agree they are going to be much more similar to 2004's.
 

Gleevec

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I think most people dont realize that schools dont move UP more than 1 (or on a rare occassion 2) slots unless they fell a TON the year before.

Im really surprised to be reading all these theories where Pitt goes up 3 places, Case up 6 places, and UTSW up 15 places. :laugh:

Have fun guessing though.
 

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for what it's worth, i don't think there will be much change from 1-10. below that there are two schools that caught my attention: pitt and rochester. both these schools have incredible new clinical facilities, and i see them rising in the rankings for the next several years.
 

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Heres a thought. If the rankings were the same every year, would anyone pay attention to them? OF COURSE NOT! Its like watching yesterdays news! USNews is in the business of SELLING RANKNIGS. Now, lets think, if the rankings didnt change from year to year, why woud anyone buy the rankings? THEY wouldn't! So it behooves USNews to tweak and adjust the forumla from year to year so that there is CHANGE.

Remember how much talk the rankings generated that year Cal Tech was ranked #1 for USNews UGrad? Thats exactly what they want!

Believe me, the rankings will change, the question is how much, and in the case of your particular school, up or down? :)
 

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I agree that all of our predictions are just hogwash... <imagines a hog in a bathtub with a pink loofah>... but it's fun boosting your favorite school up a few notches ;). Penn, Yale, and all of those are already pretty high... so Pitt gets a boost (17-->15) from me :)
 

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Why isn't there anyone calling for Howard to take the top stop this year????



:confused: :confused: :confused:
 

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Originally posted by DrNE1
This is my prediction: you heard it here first.

1. harvard
2. washu
3. hopkins
4. duke
5. Penn
6. Columbia
6. UCSF
8. Stanford
9. Yale
9. Michigan
11. Cornell
12. Baylor
12. Washington

I predict Hopkins becomes a little more concerned with their MCAT scores after last year's scare. unfortunately, it takes two cycles for this to show up. because the rankings come out in april after all major hopkins decisions have been made.

I also predict that while HMS remains in the top spot, it will now begin to distance itself from the pack. Watch for the overall ranking of Harvard (100) to put some distance between itself and last year's hopkins and washu which were 97 each. I predict these scores will fall to 95 and 96 respectively.

Will someone enlighten me on "last year's scare" at Hopkins re: MCATs?
 
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I don't see how these rankings can be very accurate. Does U.S. News really look at the intangibles? Come one, how good is a research institution without good nearby food (Sonny Bryan's Bar-B-Q, for example)? What about school spirit? What about exercise equipment?
 

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Originally posted by Bad Mojo
I don't see how these rankings can be very accurate. Does U.S. News really look at the intangibles? Come one, how good is a research institution without good nearby food (Sonny Bryan's Bar-B-Q, for example)? What about school spirit? What about exercise equipment?

no...usnews doesn't look at the intangibles. that's a job for the folks at princeton review and their annual guide.
 

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1. Harvard
2. Hopkins
3. Wash U
4. Penn
5. Duke
6. UCSF
7. Columbia
8. Michigan
9. Stanford
10. UCLA
11. Washington
12. Yale
13. Cornell
14. Baylor
15. Vanderbilt

quideam: baylor is #14 and #18? ;)
 

quideam

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No, no, #18 is the OTHER Baylor... you know, the one that's in NY, and, uh, only accepts foreign grads... and, <nervously looks around the room>... bye!!

:D :D

(I KNEW I missed something when I was cutting and pasting that thing!)
 

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it's ok hon. no one has to know! ;)
 

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does anyone have data for looking up schools beyond the top 50 in US News, or another source?
 
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expect pitt to move up. We're already top 7 in NIH funding, which will continue to increase over the next decade. Our children's hospital (#7) will move into a new hospital and a 10-story pediatric research tower in 2007, creating 230,000sqft of new research space. We also have a third bioscience tower underconstruction (a 2005 completion date). Our dean has also decided to expand our financial aid giving by several million dollars to reduce student debt; and this year's class had the highest MCAT scores in Pitts history.
 

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Originally posted by Gabes
expect pitt to move up. We're already top 7 in NIH funding, which will continue to increase over the next decade. Our children's hospital (#7) will move into a new hospital and a 10-story pediatric research tower in 2007, creating 230,000sqft of new research space. We also have a third bioscience tower underconstruction (a 2005 completion date). Our dean has also decided to expand our financial aid giving by several million dollars to reduce student debt; and this year's class had the highest MCAT scores in Pitts history.

Pratically every med school I visited is expanding, building new facilities, increasing fundings, and etc. UR's Kornberg building, completed only recently didn't seem to do anything for its rankings. Since Pitt is ranked so high, I don't think it'll go up much since all the top20 schools are constantly expanding.

NJMS and RWJ, imo, are poised to break into the top50 within the next 10 years now that NJ has realized their higher education system needs to be brushed up. UMDNJs are receiving quite a lot of money from pharmaceuticals and the state. Also, NJ is poised to fund stem cell research which would of course be done at UMDNJ. Now if only they'd lower tuition to under 10k....
 

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Originally posted by Gabes
expect pitt to move up. We're already top 7 in NIH funding, which will continue to increase over the next decade.

Of course Pitt's funding will contiue to increase. Almost everybody's NIH funding increases from year to year, especially the top research institutions. Can Pitt continue to increase at a faster rate than its peers though? Granted, Pitt has had one of the fastest growing NIH dollars for the last 5 yrs or so, and they are now up at number 7 as you say. However, I think Pitt's strides relative to other schools will start to plateau. Because its peer schools are also expanding furiously, I think it would be a great accomplishment for Pitt just to maintain its rankings, let along continue to move up.
 

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Originally posted by Bad Mojo
I don't see how these rankings can be very accurate. Does U.S. News really look at the intangibles? Come one, how good is a research institution without good nearby food (Sonny Bryan's Bar-B-Q, for example)? What about school spirit? What about exercise equipment?

We have 2 foosball tables. 'Nuff said.

UTSW = #1
 
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Originally posted by soonerpillow
We have 2 foosball tables. 'Nuff said.

UTSW = #1

LOL. UTSW #1, for sure!

Coops
 

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Seriously, Sonny Bryan's is the best bar-b-q I've ever had and its about 200 m down inwood from UTSW. Based on the intangibles (food and foosball) UTSW has got #1 pinned down. They also got verbal commitments from some big blue chippers (G_Eagle, Soonerpillow, and Bad Mojo).
 

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Originally posted by Bad Mojo
They also got verbal commitments from some big blue chippers (G_Eagle, Soonerpillow, and Bad Mojo).

But, of course, Texas is notorious for recruiting great players and then sucking during the season, so I guess we'll have to wait and see about that.
 

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Originally posted by soonerpillow
But, of course, Texas is notorious for recruiting great players and then sucking during the season, so I guess we'll have to wait and see about that.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 

Super Rob

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I dunno,

Nobody seems to agree on the importance of the list. Differences between schools are often trivial and arguably someone can have a better experience and better preparation for their career by attending the school ranked number sixty-seven instead of the school ranked number thirty-five (no offense to numbers thirty-five and sixty-seven). My premed advisor may have hit on something when she said there are one hundred fifty schools and Harvard.

I mean, for some people the list really looks like this...

1. Harvard
2. Everybody else

For someone who really wants to get into Case Western, it looks a little like this...

1. Harvard
2. Case
3. Everybody else

And for the vast majority of people on this forum it may seem even more like this...

1. Insert school with the longest "countdown thread"
2. Insert school with a famous dean of admissions
3. Insert school that boasts some revolutionary variety of PBL
4. Insert state school
5. Insert school with a really cool location
6. Insert school that "looks past the numbers"
7. Insert every other school

US News should only rank only the five or so schools that people attend BECAUSE of their rank... like places that attract students who really care about the numbers... you know who they are. US News should devote the rest of their ink to handing out superlatives, not unlike the ones that some of your classmates received in high school. Instead of "most likely to succeed" or "most likely to become famous," they should honor schools with "most likely to invite you to apply to their program and have the rejection letter out to you before your check cashes" or "least likely to allow its third year students to touch patients," or perhaps "most likely to graduate doctors who will return to the states with a nice tan."

I think (since ALL med schools give pretty much the same education and ALL are pretty good) that these superlatives would be more helpful than a list and some residency directors score... "Oh, you're bragging cuz your school got a 3.7 and mine's only got a 3.5? Well, that's because the students at my school are more chill and down-to-earth than the gunners your school lets loose on residency directors!" Splitting hairs.
 

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I just noticed that virtually all of the UTSW people on SDN have posted on this thread. and that's cause they are right...we do have the number one fooseball squad in the country...and I liked that blue chippers comment...though I have to admit that Harvard didn't court me very well....probably the confederate flag on the back of my pickup and the fact that I dip like nobody's business and that my nickname is scooter and that...uh...running out of stereotypes...anyway, I am proud to be going to UTSW and though I don't really care about the USNEWS rankings, they are fun to look at...and to quote an oft repeated line on here...that's just my 2 cents!
 

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I'm sure it could, I mean it's P&S and they can do anything ;)
 

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Originally posted by Mr Reddly
Wouldn't that mean P&S would take both #1 and #2?

LOL...It's interesting how there's so much more interest in Columbia than many other good schools...not sure why...maybe because many people were interviewed at P&S?
 

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Originally posted by Yogi Bear
6 more days....

So sad, so sad... of all the things to count down for :rolleyes:

I guess it's understandable if you live your life and choose your future based on USNews rankings...
 

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Like May 15th and June 1st for example!
(15th=D day, 1st = special time for certain waitlists last year ;))
 

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let the flaming continue.....
 

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Originally posted by quideam
I agree that all of our predictions are just hogwash... <imagines a hog in a bathtub with a pink loofah>... but it's fun boosting your favorite school up a few notches ;). Penn, Yale, and all of those are already pretty high... so Pitt gets a boost (17-->15) from me :)

Btw, I was RIGHT. Muahahaha!!! :D
 
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