2010 Matriculants: Mean GPA 3.47/MCAT 26.48

[golfingdo]

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Also median MCAT 26

See full report here:

http://www.aacom.org/data/applicantsmatriculants/Documents/2010Matriculantsummary.pdf

 

[Frazier]

nice find. thanks.

 

[UBCvan]

the oldest person was 56 years old.

after 4 years of med school and 3 years of family practice he will be 63 years old....I mean seriously...how many years is gonna practice??
WHYYY????

 

[aspiringOSTEO]

More males than females matriculating??? Damn

 

[IamaBanana]

the oldest person was 56 years old.

after 4 years of med school and 3 years of family practice he will be 63 years old....I mean seriously...how many years is gonna practice??
WHYYY????

No one lives forever. No one. But with advances in modern science, and his high level of income, I mean, it's not crazy to think he can't live to be 245, maybe 300. Heck, I just read in the newspaper that they put a pig heart in some guy from Russia. Do you know what that means?

 

[Kevin Baker]

36 African American males in total matriculated in 2010?

That's just over 1 individual per school.

 

[FirefighterDoc]

No one lives forever. No one. But with advances in modern science, and his high level of income, I mean, it's not crazy to think he can't live to be 245, maybe 300. Heck, I just read in the newspaper that they put a pig heart in some guy from Russia. Do you know what that means?

Does it mean more videos like this?





-Credit to rhesuspieces, I saw it on their sig right after I saw this thread.

 

[JaggerPlate]

Hmm ... I heard somewhere the avg MCAT for 2010 was a 27.3. I know it's not the most important indicator, isn't reflective of how good a doc you'll be, look at the whole applicant, blahhh, blahh, etc BUT ...

a 26.5 is too low of an average all around. I understand that it's difficult to keep it continually rising with a large number of new schools opening up each year (historically have lower averages) and some of the older schools managing it keep it the exact same despite a HUGE number of applicants (I think PCOM had 7k applicants for 200 spots and still have a 26 avg), but let's bump it up kids!!!

 

[MedIsInMyBlood]

Hmm ... I heard somewhere the avg MCAT for 2010 was a 27.3. I know it's not the most important indicator, isn't reflective of how good a doc you'll be, look at the whole applicant, blahhh, blahh, etc BUT ...

a 26.5 is too low of an average all around. I understand that it's difficult to keep it continually rising with a large number of new schools opening up each year (historically have lower averages) and some of the older schools managing it keep it the exact same despite a HUGE number of applicants (I think PCOM had 7k applicants for 200 spots and still have a 26 avg), but let's bump it up kids!!!

Maybe 27.3 was the average for accepted students as opposed to matriculants. Some accepted students won't end up as matriculants because they might have decided to go to MD schools that they were also accepted to.

Regardless, I think 26.48 is good. The average was 26.19 for 2009 matriculants I believe. Going from 26.19 to 26.48 is a big increase for only one year...especially given the fact that there were new schools opening up (which as you said, historically have lower mcat averages).

 

[DbDan]

Hmm ... I heard somewhere the avg MCAT for 2010 was a 27.3. I know it's not the most important indicator, isn't reflective of how good a doc you'll be, look at the whole applicant, blahhh, blahh, etc BUT ...

a 26.5 is too low of an average all around. I understand that it's difficult to keep it continually rising with a large number of new schools opening up each year (historically have lower averages) and some of the older schools managing it keep it the exact same despite a HUGE number of applicants (I think PCOM had 7k applicants for 200 spots and still have a 26 avg), but let's bump it up kids!!!

2.5% of matriculants have a MCAT 20 or below based on that standard deviation. Granted I'm all for giving people a chance but at that point I've gotta question people's ability to succeed at passing the boards.

I've gotta assume that the lowest 10% drops the average quite a bit as well. DOs seem to be more willing to take a chance on people who are otherwise qualified but have one major issue. We'll see but I've gotta guess that # is going to keep rising every year.

 

[fiznat]

I thought it was interesting that statistically, the more schools you apply to the less your chances are of getting in. It seems most matriculants were applicants that applied to between 1 and 8 schools. I guess that makes sense, since the strongest applicants will only apply to their favorite schools.

Also, female DO applicants on average have a higher cGPA, but males do better on the MCAT? Interesting...

 

[cliquesh]

The DO Class of 2010 had 3,845 members. The class of 2014 has 5,031 members. The AOA better be expanding residencies by 23% in the next few years.

 

[Daedra22]

The DO Class of 2010 had 3,845 members. The class of 2014 has 5,031 members. The AOA better be expanding residencies by 23% in the next few years.

That's the best joke I've heard all day.

 

[cliquesh]

That's the best joke I've heard all day.

Lol. It should actually be 30%, which is just crazy.

 

[air bud]

Why isnt anybody complaining that they don't give an actual distribution? It is just like the AACPM (podiatry) hiding behind averages. Yeah, you can figure out stuff from the standard deviations, but what is there to hide?

 

[wiscRD]

Hmm ... I heard somewhere the avg MCAT for 2010 was a 27.3. I know it's not the most important indicator, isn't reflective of how good a doc you'll be, look at the whole applicant, blahhh, blahh, etc BUT ...

a 26.5 is too low of an average all around. I understand that it's difficult to keep it continually rising with a large number of new schools opening up each year (historically have lower averages) and some of the older schools managing it keep it the exact same despite a HUGE number of applicants (I think PCOM had 7k applicants for 200 spots and still have a 26 avg), but let's bump it up kids!!!

One MD school's admissions told me that the AAMC research they were provided with showed people with an MCAT of 26 still pass the boards 96% of the time. A 26 is average if you look at the stats for everyone who takes the MCAT - it isn't amazing but it also isn't horrible.

 

[Atom bum]

For anyone interested, here is some similar data for MD schools. https://www.aamc.org/download/161690/data/table17-facts2010mcatgpa99-10-web.pdf.pdf

For matriculating students:
Mean MCAT is 31
Mean Science GPA is 3.61
Mean other GPA is 3.75
Mean total GPA is 3.67

 

[golfingdo]

For anyone interested, here is some similar data for MD schools. https://www.aamc.org/download/161690/data/table17-facts2010mcatgpa99-10-web.pdf.pdf

For matriculating students:
Mean MCAT is 31
Mean Science GPA is 3.61
Mean other GPA is 3.75
Mean total GPA is 3.67

Yes, The numbers are actually very close. Only 0.2 difference in overall gpa and 4.5 difference in overall MCAT. Hopefully this will help put an end to those who are bigoted against DOs.

 

[elftown]

Yes, The numbers are actually very close. Only 0.2 difference in overall gpa and 4.5 difference in overall MCAT. Hopefully this will help put an end to those who are bigoted against DOs.

Welcome back, exPCM.

 

[golfingdo]

Welcome back, exPCM.

Who is that?

 

[slammer922]

Hmm ... I heard somewhere the avg MCAT for 2010 was a 27.3. I know it's not the most important indicator, isn't reflective of how good a doc you'll be, look at the whole applicant, blahhh, blahh, etc BUT ...

a 26.5 is too low of an average all around. I understand that it's difficult to keep it continually rising with a large number of new schools opening up each year (historically have lower averages) and some of the older schools managing it keep it the exact same despite a HUGE number of applicants (I think PCOM had 7k applicants for 200 spots and still have a 26 avg), but let's bump it up kids!!!

Maybe 27.3 was the average for accepted students as opposed to matriculants. Some accepted students won't end up as matriculants because they might have decided to go to MD schools that they were also accepted to.

Regardless, I think 26.48 is good. The average was 26.19 for 2009 matriculants I believe. Going from 26.19 to 26.48 is a big increase for only one year...especially given the fact that there were new schools opening up (which as you said, historically have lower mcat averages).

Not to mention, TCOM's not included... 28 avg mcat last year. Although, one more school wouldnt bring up the avg too much.

 

[theone1979]

Yes, The numbers are actually very close. Only 0.2 difference in overall gpa and 4.5 difference in overall MCAT. Hopefully this will help put an end to those who are bigoted against DOs.

I obviously agree that the GPA is very close, and though I hate to say anything even slightly negative about DO schools, I would argue that a 4.5 point difference on the MCAT is pretty damn significant....

 

[MLT2MT2DO]

I obviously agree that the GPA is very close, and though I hate to say anything even slightly negative about DO schools, I would argue that a 4.5 point difference on the MCAT is pretty damn significant....

Meh...

One MD school's admissions told me that the AAMC research they were provided with showed people with an MCAT of 26 still pass the boards 96% of the time. A 26 is average if you look at the stats for everyone who takes the MCAT - it isn't amazing but it also isn't horrible.

So how many percentage points does the pass go up for a 31? Maybe 1%?

 

[cliquesh]

The Usmle board pass rate is ~13% higher for MDs than DOs. For first time test takers, it is 94% for MDs and 81% DO. http://www.usmle.org/Scores_Transcripts/performance/2009.html

And, yes, if any MD took the COMLEX they would probably fail or just barely pass, since OMM is the largest section on the COMLEX.

 

[MLT2MT2DO]

The Usmle board pass rate is ~13% higher for MDs than DOs. For first time test takers, it is 94% for MDs and 81% DO. http://www.usmle.org/Scores_Transcripts/performance/2009.html

So do most MD students take the COMLEX before or after the USMLE?

There are SO many factors to consider, everytime I see the straight comparison of USMLE scores I think it is idiotic.

 

[cliquesh]

So do most MD students take the COMLEX before or after the USMLE?

There are SO many factors to consider, everytime I see the straight comparison of USMLE scores I think it is idiotic.

How else should you compare MDs and DOs? Is there any other objective way?

Most DOs, including myself, take the USMLE first and then study OMM hardcore for a week and then take the COMLEX.

 

[MLT2MT2DO]

How else should you compare MDs and DOs? Is there any other objective way?

Most DOs, including myself, take the USMLE first and then study OMM hardcore for a week and then take the COMLEX.

I wouldn't consider this objective, again there are too many other factors. For this discussion of the 19% that failed how many had over a 26 on their MCAT? How many were taking the USMLE as a last ditch effort for "x" specialty because they bombed their COMLEX? What about those that took the COMLEX first and had a "mental drain" for the USMLE? Just alot of factors our MD counterparts don't have to deal with that I think would have to be figured out before I would consider something like this objective.

In other news, are you getting bored of DCUO yet? I hit 30 and it is becoming dull fast.

 

[elftown]

I obviously agree that the GPA is very close, and though I hate to say anything even slightly negative about DO schools, I would argue that a 4.5 point difference on the MCAT is pretty damn significant....

The OP knows 4.5 is a big difference. This thread is strikingly similar to the one last year:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=710696

The data was displayed the same way (looked identical tbh) and was available earlier today. For some reason it isn't loading anymore when you go to that thread... I wonder why...

Welcome back, exPCM.

Who is that?

 

[golfingdo]

The OP knows 4.5 is a big difference. This thread is strikingly similar to the one last year:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=710696

The data was displayed the same way (looked identical tbh) and was available earlier today. For some reason it isn't loading anymore when you go to that thread... I wonder why...

I looked at the thread you linked to just now and don't understand it - not mine.
In my statistics class we were taught the criterion for significance is p<0.05.
If you look at the means and standard deviations 4.5 is not statistically signficant.

 

[cliquesh]

I wouldn't consider this objective, again there are too many other factors. For this discussion of the 19% that failed how many had over a 26 on their MCAT? How many were taking the USMLE as a last ditch effort for "x" specialty because they bombed their COMLEX? What about those that took the COMLEX first and had a "mental drain" for the USMLE? Just alot of factors our MD counterparts don't have to deal with that I think would have to be figured out before I would consider something like this objective.

In other news, are you getting bored of DCUO yet? I hit 30 and it is becoming dull fast.

hah, sort of. I've gotten bored with the PvP arenas, but I haven't really done much PvE, so I still want to check that out, specifically the raids.

 

[Neuronix]

This is a thread started by a previously banned user who was banned for starting exactly these sorts of inflammatory threads. I will close this thread for that reason.